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How sad is the BCS?
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, January 02, 2008

How sad? Did you watch the Sugar and Rose Bowls yesterday?

Total mismatches. No other word for it.

I live in GA and love the Bulldogs, but at the end of last night's Sugar Bowl, I actually felt sorry for Hawaii (however I got damn tired of Tom Breneman's whining - GA had its subs in and were still scoring on Hawaii - what, were they supposed to just quit?).

Hawaii didn't belong on the same field as GA (and if that hurts some feelings among Warrior fans, that's not the intention - just review the stats and the game, for heaven sake, and be honest with yourself). Illinois didn't belong on the same field as USC.

Hawaii was flat overpowered from the beginning. Weight, size, speed, you name it, the advantages were decidedly in GA's favor (8 sacks, 6 turnovers, etc). Yet, it and the Rose Bowl were supposedly among the BCS's premier bowl games.

Yup, that computer system sure has made a wonderfully important and dramatic difference, hasn't it? Reminds me of computer climate modeling for heaven sake.
 
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Well mcQ you give too much opprobrium to the computer...remember coaches have an input as well, and their input outweighs the computer generated model, IIRC.
 
Written By: Joe
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Blame Oklahoma for losing to Boise st last year. All of a sudden people started thinking mid-majors could be legitimate.
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Reminds me of computer climate modeling for heaven sake.
See, that’s where you’re confused. You’re caught up in the reality mode where models reflect real things. Like a model of the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise.

The climate models in question reflect reality the same way the model of the Star Ship Enterprise does.

 
Written By: looker
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Agree totally. And what about the Cotton Bowl, the Missouri-Arkansas game? 38-7, Missouri tromps Ark. Would much rather have seen MO vs. GA or USC — those would have been real contests! Granted, as a life-long MIZZOU fan, I’m biased.
 
Written By: Pete Abel
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Coaches Poll, Harris Interactive College Football Poll and computer average.

And the results, as mentioned, suck.

 
Written By: McQ
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Would much rather have seen MO vs. GA or USC — those would have been real contests!
Any of the above would have been fabulous.

I mean how bad can a system be when a team beats another team in a supposedly competitive bowl 41-10 and anyone who watched in knows it wasn’t really even that close (and that goes for USC/Illinois or Mizzou/Arkansas).

Even funnier is that GA was the "at large" pick and Hawaii was the automatic because they were the WAC winner.

The only decent games of the day were the Outback and the Gator Bowls and neither are BCS bowls.

I sure hope the OK/WV game is worth a damn tonight but I hold little hope for the Kansas/VT matchup thursday amounting to much. And the so-called national championship game should be entertaining if all the Ohio State hype lives up to its billing. I have little doubt that LSU will live up to theirs.
 
Written By: McQ
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LSU may be over-rated, my alma mater beat them...we aren’t a powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Written By: Joe
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Hawaii was not an automatic pick because they were the WAC winner, it was because they were 10th in the final BCS standings and the highest ranked champion of a non-BCS conference will receive an automatic berth if it is ranked in the top twelve.

The tragedy of that is not necessarily the BCS, but the idiots who ranked Hawaii high enough to qualify. Anyone who had watched any of their games this year (I saw three of them) would know, they’re just not that good. No where close to Georgia. I’m not one of those SEC-lovers either, but dang.

And the Illinois-USC game was ruined by tradition. Got to, got to, got to, got to, got to put the Big Ten (even if they stink) with the Pac-10 (even if they stink). Even perfunctory research into the matter shows that that Big-10 and Pac-10 commissioners are living in a fantasy-land from 40 years ago, and don’t give a crap how much college football suffers for it.

I can only imagine how much more money and hype there would be if the games this week had been OSU-GA and LSU-OK, with the winners to play next Monday (I’d have GA and LSU in that).
 
Written By: Linus
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McQ:

The Oklahoma - West Virginia game should be good. The defense is much better this year, ask the Missouri QB.

About Missouri. OU beat them twice, 41-31 in Norman and again 38-17 in the Big 12 championship game when Mizzo was rated #1. Toward the end of the second game the OU offense was in scoring position taking a knee. Considering what Tigers did to the razor backs last night, a team that beat them twice should be pretty good.

Think about this. OUs star running back dropped out of school last year. As a rookie on the Vikings, Adrian Peterson is this years’ NFL leading rusher and is in the pro bowl.

Sam Bradford, OU’s redshirt freshman quarterback has a 70.1% completion rate, 34 TDs with 7 Ints (4 in the Colorado game).

But, records are made on the field, not the internet. Go Sooners!
 
Written By: Arch
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But, records are made on the field, not the internet. Go Sooners!
Trust me Arch, you don’t have to sell the Sooner’s to me. My wife of 32 years is from Oklahoma and we are always Sooner fans. I watched them take Mizzou apart and was duly impressed. I wasn’t alluding to Oklahoma not being up for the game, but instead WV with its coaching problems, etc. And I certainly don’t expect an Oklahoma team to show up as unprepared as they were last year with Boise State (a little arrogance that cost them dearly). If I were to guess, I’d say WV was in for a very long night.

Boomer Sooner!
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
My beef with the polls is that they tend to over rate the the Big 10, Notre Dame and some of the East Coast teams. Ohio St and Michigan are good, but Indiana? Rutgers? UConn? At the same time they pass over teams like Oklahoma State and Texas Tech who can, on a given afternoon, beat anyone in the country.

My wife of 42 years is an Army brat from Lawton (Ft Sill).

Hope you are right about OU.

Arch
 
Written By: Arch
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McQ,

I don’t like the BCS system either, but you are misunderstanding something. The BCS’ only function is to select the numbers 1 and 2 teams to play for the championship.

The bowl committees select the matchups for all the other bowls, not the BCS. The Sugar Bowl will always select a SEC representative, like the Rose Bowl is affiliated with PAC-10, etc.

Yes, it was a crappy game, but that’s the Sugar Bowl committee’s fault, not the BCS. Hawaii got invited because they were 12-0. I don’t think anyone (except Hawaii) knew how bad they REALLY sucked.

And I can say all this dispassionately as an LSU alumnus! Look for me on TV next Monday - I’ll be the drunk guy wearing a purple jersey.
 
Written By: Jeff
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LSU may be over-rated, my alma mater beat them...
THEYARENOTYOUTAKETHATBACKRIGHTNOWIWILLKILLYOUKILLYOUKILLYOUKILLYOU!!!!!11!!!!!!
 
Written By: Jeff
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Trust me Arch, you don’t have to sell the Sooner’s to me. My wife of 32 years is from Oklahoma and we are always Sooner fans. I watched them take Mizzou apart and was duly impressed. I wasn’t alluding to Oklahoma not being up for the game, but instead WV with its coaching problems, etc. And I certainly don’t expect an Oklahoma team to show up as unprepared as they were last year with Boise State (a little arrogance that cost them dearly).
God, you poor, poor man...

If you have a comfy couch, ask your wife wich part is the verse, and which is the refrain for OU’s song...

"Boomer", or "Sooner"... ;)

I kid, I kid. A lovely school named after theives and cheats.

Oh, hi... I’m a Kansas State Wildcat fan. You want OU getting beat, 2003 was NOT a pretty sight for y’all, was it.

I heard ew Years everthe point spread for the Rose Bowl was 13 points, and I did a spit take with my beer. I believethe words out of my mouth upon regaining the ability to speak were "13?? ONLY 13???"

I mean, I can’t stand the freaking trojans, but I knew that 13 points was both a HUGE insult to them, and being FAR too generous to the Illini.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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I don’t like the BCS system either, but you are misunderstanding something. The BCS’ only function is to select the numbers 1 and 2 teams to play for the championship.

The bowl committees select the matchups for all the other bowls, not the BCS. The Sugar Bowl will always select a SEC representative, like the Rose Bowl is affiliated with PAC-10, etc.
Not exactly Jeff:
A complicated set of rules is used to determine which teams compete in the BCS bowl games[1]. Certain teams are given automatic berths depending on their BCS ranking and conference, as follows:

* The top two teams are given automatic berths in the BCS National Championship Game.

* The champion of a BCS conference (ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-10, and SEC) is guaranteed an automatic BCS bowl bid unless two other teams from their own conference finish #1 and #2 in the final BCS rankings.

* The highest ranked champion of a non-BCS conference will receive an automatic berth if:

o It is ranked in the top twelve, or

o Ranked in the top sixteen and higher than another BCS Conference champion.

* A special case is made for independent Notre Dame, which receives an automatic berth if it finishes in the top eight.

* No more than two teams from any one conference may receive berths in BCS games.

* The third-ranked team will receive an automatic berth if it has not already received one, and if it is a member of a BCS Conference.

* If the third-ranked team did not require an at-large berth, then the fourth-ranked team will receive an automatic berth if it has not already received one, and if it is a member of a BCS Conference.

After the automatic berths have been granted, the remaining berths, known as "at-large" berths, are filled from a pool of teams who are ranked in the top fourteen and have at least nine wins. The actual teams that are chosen for the at-large berths are determined by the individual bowl committees.
And:
Yes, it was a crappy game, but that’s the Sugar Bowl committee’s fault, not the BCS. Hawaii got invited because they were 12-0. I don’t think anyone (except Hawaii) knew how bad they REALLY sucked.
Uh, no again. As Linus points out, "it was because they were 10th in the final BCS standings and the highest ranked champion of a non-BCS conference will receive an automatic berth if it is ranked in the top twelve."

The Sugar Bowl had no choice in the matter of Hawaii. It only had a choice in the "at large" pick - GA. See the rule in bold above.
 
Written By: McQ
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Oh, hi... I’m a Kansas State Wildcat fan.
Kind of like being a Cubs fan, isn’t it, Scott?

And where are the Kansas State Wildcats tonight while Oklahoma is playing?

Oh yeah, watching them.

Nevermind.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Scott:

Let’s watch the game. winner is the winner, but K-state is home tonight. Why?

Arch
 
Written By: Arch
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Jeff, are you a Bayou Tigers fan, by any chance?

I just didn’t think we were that great, but I’m not trying to run your team down, after all if you’re great, we must be better, we beat them...at least on that day.

So Geaux Tigers!
 
Written By: Joe
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Why? Because they had a bad season.

But lets not forget, KSU has always gotten the shaft in Bowl games, and rankings in general.

They had a perfect regular season one year, and not only were they ranked for sh*t, they got a HORRIBLE bowl game.

Hell, when they beat OU, they endd with crap rankings.

So yeah, the BCS has issue. Hell, what was it two years ago, the championship game was between numbers 2 and 3?
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Why? Because they had a bad season.

But lets not forget, KSU has always gotten the shaft in Bowl games, and rankings in general.
Heh.

You even sound like a Cub’s fan.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Well, all I can say is that the ever-increasing incompetence of the BCS is clearly a sign of the steady decline of American power. *erb off*

Go Jayhawks! (Yeah, I know)
 
Written By: Anonymellerson
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Unfortunately, WVU, against all odds and with an interim coach, has burst the boomersooner bubble. And convincingly, I might add.

Sometimes you just need to play the game.

Unlike Hawaii, Oklahoma made it interesting until the fourth quarter, and the game was, therefore, entertaining.
 
Written By: vnjagvet
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Unfortunately, WVU, against all odds and with an interim coach, has burst the boomersooner bubble. And convincingly, I might add.
One heck of a lot of emotion on the WVU sideline and they channeled every bit of it into the game in a positive manner (unlike Hawaii last night). Of course being a talented team (and they are) didn’t hurt either. They cleaned OU’s clock. Makes me begin to wonder if Stoops knows how to prepare a team for bowl games.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
If you ask me Oklahoma Oklahoma Oklahoma (Steve Martin) was over rated...and beat an overated Mizzou...and now we get to watch an over-rated Ohio State play an over-rated Large Small University...

And frankly, I’m tired of watching USC play their bowl game on their home field...

In a real world we should be watching USC play Ohio State...
 
Written By: Khepri
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If you ask me Oklahoma Oklahoma Oklahoma (Steve Martin) was over rated...and beat an overated Mizzou...and now we get to watch an over-rated Ohio State play an over-rated Large Small University...
Well, let’s see - Ark beats LSU, Oklahoma creams Mizzou, Mizzou kills Arkansas. Go figure.
In a real world we should be watching USC play Ohio State...
Well we’ll see if Ohio State is overrated as well won’t we?

Personally I believe USC/GA would have been a great game.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
We’re both partly right. From bcsfootball.org:
Reflecting the importance of traditional regional considerations, the four BCS Bowls will host the following conference champions: .FedEx Orange Bowl, ACC; Allstate Sugar Bowl, SEC; Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, Big 12; Rose Bowl, Big Ten and Pac-10. Should a BCS Bowl’s host champion be ranked number one or two in the final BCS standings, those teams will move to the national championship game and the bowl shall select a replacement team from the BCS pool of eligible teams. The pool will consist of automatic qualifiers and all other Division I-A teams that have won at least nine games and are ranked among the Top 14 in the final BCS standings.
From the same site:
* BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES - When not having a conference champion participating in the BCS National Championship Game, the BCS will have the following conference champions serve as host teams: Rose Bowl - Big Ten and Pac- 10; FedEx Orange Bowl - ACC; Allstate Sugar Bowl - SEC; Tostitos Fiesta Bowl - Big 12.
It would be more accurate to say the BCS influences some bowl selections, as they determine the pool from which at-large teams are drawn. There is no scenario where they could determine, say the Rose Bowl teams, since they are always the PAC-10 and Big 10 conference champions - UNLESS one or both of those teams move up to the national championship game.

If you really want to make your head spin about BCS eligibility rules, read it from the horse’s *ss.
In a real world we should be watching USC play Ohio State...


How do you reconcile that with your earlier statement:
and now we get to watch an over-rated Ohio State play an over-rated Large Small University...
So you’d still like to see an "overrated" team play, as long as USC is in the championship? Yeah, you and every sports writer with their nose up Pete Carroll’s *ss. Don’t worry, USC could finish a season with six losses and the AP will still rank them #1 at the beginning of next season. That was a bullsh*t move the AP pulled in 2003 and you know it.

I’m not saying this just because I’m an LSU fan, but because USC and their fans are truly the sons of pigs and apes and Allah will grill their stomachs in hell.








 
Written By: Jeff
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Personally I believe USC/GA would have been a great game.


That’s the smartest thing I’ve heard yet. What a messed-up season this has been. The funniest thing I’ve heard about the Sugar Bowl was this:
ESPN.com’s Ivan Maisel doesn’t believe Hawaii’s performance will hinder the chances of future non-BCS teams returning to BCS bowls.
"I think the goodwill that Utah and Boise State generated from their victories still outweighs the egg laid by Hawaii," he said. "Everyone enjoyed the endorphin rush received from the aforementioned upsets. Trying to re-create that feeling is what created drug abuse, not to mention Hawaii’s bowl berth."
 
Written By: Jeff
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We’re both partly right.

[...]

If you really want to make your head spin about BCS eligibility rules, read it from the horse’s *ss.
I think this brings it down to a common point of agreement - however the system works, it sucks.
I’m not saying this just because I’m an LSU fan, but because USC and their fans are truly the sons of pigs and apes and Allah will grill their stomachs in hell.
Ah, college football fans - I love ’em. They’re so - what’s the word I’m looking for? - understated.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
And OU and Texas A&M continue their crappy bowl records. Have to go back to 2003 to find the last win for OU. 2001 for the aggies.
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Well, as for reconciling the statement, that’s my way of saying that even though OSu probably belongs in the Chamionship game, they would get beaten by USC...IMHO..

So you’d still like to see an "overrated" team play, as long as USC is in the championship?

Actually I despise USC...;) But I think they should have been included...then I would have been forced to cheer on another team I don’t care for Ohio State...

Even after all that...I think GAOSU or GA USC would have been a good game....I miss Richt...;)

Go Florida State!!!...Academic cheaters that you are!
 
Written By: Khepri
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