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Iraq: Parliament passes reconciliation measure
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, January 12, 2008

Step by step:
Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of Saddam Hussein's Baath party to government jobs, a key benchmark sought by the United States as a step toward easing sectarian tensions.

The bill was approved by a unanimous show of hands on each of the law's 30 clauses. Titled the Accountability and Justice law, it seeks to relax restrictions on the rights of members of the now-dissolved Baath party to fill government posts.

It is also designed to reinstate thousands of Baathists dismissed from government jobs after the 2003 U.S. invasion — a decision that deepened sectarian tensions between Iraq's majority Shiites and the once-dominant Sunni Arabs, who believed the firings targeted their community.

[...]

The legislation can become law only when approved by Iraq's presidential council. The council, comprised of Iraq's president and two vice presidents, is expected to ratify the measure.

The draft law approved Saturday is not a blanket approval for all former Baathists to take government jobs.

The law will allow low-ranking Baathists not involved in past crimes against Iraqis to go back to their jobs. High-ranking Baathists will be sent to compulsory retirement and those involved in crimes will stand trial, though their families will still have the right to pension.
I know this bit of progress at a national level will come as a disappointment to some, but you know, if given the time and space in which to accomplish reconciliation, it appears it might just happen. Or at least that's been the plan and it seems to be working.
 
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It’s only because of Barack Obama’s impending ascent the Presidency motivated this to happen.
 
Written By: jpm100
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What’s the point. Global Warming has doomed us all anyway.
 
Written By: Ted
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OK, this kind of preposterous post deserves a weekend rant. I’ll let myself go!

Five years after numerous parliamentary acts and you grasp at straws trying to pretend that somehow things are "working." You are dead wrong. Not only has the policy already failed — every life lost has been in vain, for a cause that could not be achieved, a waste of American and Iraqi life. But right now Iraq is divided on sectarian lines, Sunnis control Sunni sections, Shi’ites control Shi’ite sections, the central government is intensely corrupt. Moreover, our fiasco strengthened Iranian hardliners, lead to turmoil in Pakistan, and pushed oil prices higher. Meanwhile, our current account deficit has become unsustainable, the dollar overvalued, the credit market in crisis, and we’re spending hundreds of billions, perhaps over a trillion, on a misbegotten war.

And, instead of recognizing the obvious, you grasp at straws, five years in. Maybe FINALLY there is some reconciliation, you say. An act of parliament! A weak parliament, not having any power, but hey, they can pass proclamations.

No, McQ, it’s pretty obvious that the Iraq invasion was not only a fiasco, but something immoral and detrimental to the long term intersets of the US. It also shows that the military can win wars (Iraq was won in 2003) but can’t socially engineer the peace. No heros. No glory. Nothing to celebrate. All the death in vain. But many atrocities, Americans killing innocent Iraqis, torture, actions that compare to some of the most heinous regimes in history — in our name. America acting like an imperial conqueror rather than a country dedicated to peace and human rights. Just wasted life, wasted dollars, and a weakened America. You can try to deny reality, you can try to pretend that if we can escape with Iraq not collapsing five or more years after the ill fated invasion is a success, but that is preposterous on its face. Watch in the next few years as the costs of this fiasco get played out in terms of economy, politics, and America’s role in the world. Watch and learn. You have been wrong for five years, and you’ve been unwilling to admit it, going so far as to throw in a "things could turn out differently" line in posts that you can hide behind to avoid admitting you’re wrong. Talk to like minded folk in a blog where you can bolster your beliefs and avoid true introspection and critical thought. I feel sorry for you, locked in such a delusionary state of mind, and unable to accept critical opinions — instead, you attack people personally who think differently, and hide behind thoughtless ridicule. It’s really rather pathetic, but hey, you have a blog, McQ, and you can find comfort in that. I find comfort in teaching and trying to open people’s minds rather than close them. To each, their own.

Have a good weekend!
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Crap...I thought maybe Erb was gone after being humiliated time and again. Oh, well. The weasel lives!
 
Written By: JWG
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From CQ:
I wonder how the anti-war crowd will spin this. My guesses:

1. It’s too late — the sky is already falling!
2. Too many people have died to make freedom worth it.
And we have a winner!
 
Written By: JWG
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Hey, Erb, I’ve got a piano to sell you. It plays only one note...it would fit very well into your worldview.
 
Written By: Steverino
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Scott Erb’s message (a message echoed by most on the left) to our troops:

"No heros. No glory. Nothing to celebrate. All the death in vain. But many atrocities, Americans killing innocent Iraqis, torture, actions that compare to some of the most heinous regimes in history"

My wish is that more on the left be similarly vocal on how they really think. Lefists, you have a moral obligation to shout your ’righteous truth’ to the rooftops during the campaign season. Let voters see who you are and what you believe.

 
Written By: Darrell
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Boris Erb counsels:
Five years after numerous parliamentary acts and you grasp at straws trying to pretend that somehow things are "working."
One question here, Boris: Do you have any idea whatsoever about actual historical time frames?

I mean, tell everyone about the progress in a place like Kosovo after its quasi-split with Yugoslavia, or how about Russia after the Soviet Union, or Japan after the militarists?

Do you have any concept whatsoever of how long it takes for political crises to resolve themselves?

How about Ulster over the past 35 years? Or the Irish Republic from its founding?

And Kenya, that’s in the news.

You say you "teach this stuff"?

My friend, you do not belong anywhere near a classroom. You shouldn’t even be allowed to set foot on a campus.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Erb,

Despite a few testy exchanges, I am probably (along with blogmate Keith) one of those who doesn’t see you as some here do.

That comment however is beyond parody. In fact, when I first read it I thought maybe it was Joe making fun of you again. Whatever the merits of your claims, and they are exaggerated and in some cases out and out false, the fact is this was one of those benchmarks it was said was necessary. I have been doubtful that they are necessary, or even important, but that has been the claim. Well here it is. That it doesn’t in and of itself solve everything I have no doubt. So McQ remarking that one of those benchmarks has been met is entirely appropriate whether your little rant was true or not.
 
Written By: Lance
URL: www.asecondhandconjecture.com
That comment however is beyond parody. In fact, when I first read it I thought maybe it was Joe making fun of you again.
I agree and thought the same thing. I was of the opinion that Dr. Erb, although I differ with him on many issues, was a rational anti-war type cabable of reasonable argument. I see I was wrong.
 
Written By: David C.
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Lance, David, you’re late. Epiphany Sunday was last weekend.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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What you just saw from Erb is his true nature. It’s how he started out when he began commenting here. He toned down his rhetoric after a while, but every now and then his full personality pops back out. There is a legitimate reason why so many of us "see him" as we do.
 
Written By: JWG
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No heros. No glory. Nothing to celebrate. All the death in vain. But many atrocities, Americans killing innocent Iraqis, torture, actions that compare to some of the most heinous regimes in history.
Huh. Dick Durbin, is that you? You know, I’m all for free speech but there are times when some people really test it’s limits.
 
Written By: John
URL: avragegayjoe.blogspot.com
You Hack.

For years you’ve been pointing at the sluggish Parliament saying that until you see something come from there, then any and all progress made on the security front is useless. In fact, you gleefully pointed out (to which Dale and Bruce agreed with you, mind you) that until political reconciliation was met, the Surge’s primary goals were still unsuccessful.

And now we have indications that the military and security success we’ve been seeing is being translated into political success. So, instead of humility you choose psychosis.

You, sir, a fraud and an insult to your profession. I’m officially filing a complaint against your establishment in the hopes that, with some pressure from the top (and I wont hold my breath, considering it IS academia) some intellectual honesty will seep back into that crevice you call a skull.
 
Written By: Joel C.
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Lance, I appreciate the compliment, but really Doctor Erb IS the Master, I only the Student....

It has been my contention that since 1975/76 the New, New Left and the Old New Left (copyrighted Terms of Art) have really been BEYOND parody. I can’t lampoon them, whenever I try to do so, right next week they say in all earnestness the very things one tried to lampoon them with. Confronted with that, irony, satire, parody all fail.

For it is telling that Monty Python lampooned the Conservative Party and the Silly Party and the VERY Silly Party...and yet within a few years of the show’s demise one could tune into the Labour Party Conference and hear things just as foolish and absurd, spoken in all seriousness by Labour Party Delegates. You can not lampoon people who are intent on becoming caricatures of themselves. Dr. Erb is a fine case-in-point.

Oh and Doc. aren’t you being a little "Emotional” there? Not a lot of reason evident, but I guess that’s all OK, when Speaking Truth to Power...it’s the Message, right? The rest of us Right Wing Death Beasts deserve no better and can only be reached at the Limbic-System Level any way? The reason I lampoon you is that there’s nothing there, you’re like LA, and so as debate with you is not possible I use humour. OK, some of you would debate whether it’s humour or not, but just work with me here.
 
Written By: Joe
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Boy, talk about your raving id come slobbering out of your skull. I was afraid I’d get soaked just reading it. When Erb lets his hair down, he really lets it down. Of course, since I work with a few people pretty much like him, it’s not unexpected. Nothing leads them to expose their psychosis more than any apparent victory by their opponents. They cannot except even small gains on the other side. So sadly freakin’ pathetic.
 
Written By: JorgXMcKie
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"OK, this kind of preposterous post deserves a weekend rant. I’ll let myself go!..........."

Joe, is that you? I can’t tell anymore.


"I see I was wrong"

Not to worry, you have a lot of company. The fact that you have seen the light speaks well of you.
 
Written By: timactual
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LOL! I labeled it a morning "rant" and knew it would jerk a few chains. But it would be nice if you could point out any place where I was really wrong. The tone was a bit more aggressive, but factually, what do you think I got wrong? That was devoid from any of the reactions. In essence, I took the tone a lot of you take against me (or others with whom you disagree). If you dish it out, ya gotta sometimes take it — I certainly can! In the thread on 7631 I wrote the paragraph below, but I’ll put it here. Show me where I’m wrong:

Here’s why things are as they are: We stopped trying to win. We stopped trying to defeat the insurgents, but instead make deals with them. We let them keep their arms, stay in charge of their own regions, and not bring them under the control of the central government. For the Shi’ites, we decided not to try to disarm the Shi’ite militias and instead get both to, for awhile, focus on our mutual enemy: al qaeda. But the price of doing this is to admit our entire plan was flawed. We’ll leave Sunnis and Sh’ites eached armed, the central government corrupt and ineffective, and a real chance of a lot more violence once we’re gone (and clearly after the political, economic, and national interest cost of this, we’ll not come back in any numbers when things go south). The plan — as I predicted last year — is to get the violence down in the short term to create a "peace with honor moment." I agree with Bush’s current realism, it’s the best way out of Iraq. (Seriously, I’ve been impressed with the President’s foreign policy the past year, I think he’s finally got an effective team in place). But its admitting the original policy failed, and that the effort to reconstruct and remake Iraq was a mistake — we and the Iraqis would have been better off if we’d left in 2003 (and even better if we hadn’t invaded).

Now, the tone I hope is less provocative so rather than focus on the rhetoric, look at the argument. Where precisely am I wrong?
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm

My wish is that more on the left be similarly vocal on how they really think. Lefists, you have a moral obligation to shout your ’righteous truth’ to the rooftops during the campaign season. Let voters see who you are and what you believe.
As opposed to what some of you do here? A lot of you are very good at dishing it out, but you are outraged, I say, OUTRAGED when the rhetoric from the other side mirrors that from many on your own. Think about it.

One correction: Putting me on the Left is inaccurate. I distrust governmental power, and cannot support much of the Democratic agenda. I’m an anti-interventionist anti-militarist in my moral/philosophical belief system, and a realist/pragmatist in trying to put those ideals in action in the real world. I’m closest to the libertarian party, perhaps, but cannot accept their lack of pragmatism in dealing with the need to limit the power not just of big government, but big business/big money.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
What you just saw from Erb is his true nature.
I guess that’s true — what I wrote, I do believe. It is my moral/philosophical principles speaking, I find American foreign policy immoral and dangerous. I was just as opposed to Kosovo (and had a letter to the editor published in Time criticizing Clinton). That’s me speaking from the gut.

Usually, though, when I write and discuss, I balance the gut with the head. I know I have a perspective, and I might be wrong. I know that others are just as convinced they are right by their moral and philosophical perspective as I do. So the pragmatic realist in me (and perspectivist) tries to understand other perspectives and persuade. In life, that also means compromise — that’s one reason I’ve been supportive of President Bush’s policies recently. It’s not my ideal policy from a gut level, but from my head, I see it as making sense.

So yeah — my rant was my gut speaking, and that’s who I am. You should know that, I’m passionate in my belief that war, militarism and aggression are evil and wrong. Self-defense is acceptable, as well as deterrence, but aggression or trying to (as this war does) shape politics with violence is wrong. However, in debate, I temper that with my head — Cygnus helping the two hemispheres balance.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
"what I wrote, I do believe. It is my moral/philosophical principles speaking,"
"So yeah — my rant was my gut speaking, and that’s who I am."

And yet, he constantly claims that we cannot actually know him by what he writes on these comments.
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
Scott’s post made me laugh.

"[Our military] can’t socially engineer the peace"

I’m trying to decide what role the military should play in the new science of social engineering. Does the University of Maine at Farmington offer social engineering under Arts & Sciences or the College of Engineering?

How would we employ social engineering tactically?

"Colonel Gundish, should we load the new social engineering round?"

"Not yet, Major Rockethead. Give them another 12 rounds of HEI."

 
Written By: Arch
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Scott. You said, "Just wasted life, wasted dollars, and a weakened America."

Very observant and subtile. You were obviously talking about the US public education system whose work product declines in quality as its costs increase by twice the rate of inflation.
 
Written By: Arch
URL: http://
"Watch and learn."

Are you going to show us how to make pizza?
 
Written By: Arch
URL: http://
I’m trying to decide what role the military should play in the new science of social engineering
None — that’s the point. Conservatives are right that big government social engineering doesn’t work, and Iraq was an effort to do that with the military, and it failed. Conservatives should be pointing at the Iraq failure and saying "see, big government can’t create social and political outcomes." Conservatives should be loadest against this fiasco.

I think you guys know I’m right here — deep down. You can’t deny reality — or, well, I guess you can...just blame the "mainstream media" and the "liberals" for somehow being dishonest, and assert you know the "real" truth, and academics, media types, and the like are all America hating liars or something like that (eyes rolling). Oh well, if holding on to your biases is so important, that’s OK. But the public certainly isn’t on your side here — and they may be smarter than you give them credit for.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
PS - I still note that there isn’t any real counter argument — just emotional "I don’t want to hear what you say," sort of like kids putting their hands to their ears and going "nanananananana" so they don’t hear what’s said.

Can you make an argument? Because just coming back with ridicule and snide comments only strengthens mine!
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
And yet, he constantly claims that we cannot actually know him by what he writes on these comments.
Ah, I get it — you can’t stand someone looking at the world differently than you do, and if people have a different moral/philosophical perspective, rather than engaging them and exploring the differences, you feel a psychological need to attack, demonstrating a deep insecurity on your part. You’re being defensive. Thanks — I know you from what you post now, you’re defensive, insecure, and unable to tolerate points of view different than your own. Thanks for showing what you are, timactual.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Where precisely am I wrong?
Considering you have been repeating this rant ad infinitum, your errors have been pointed out dozens of times. I have actually linked and quoted the official Bush plan. It is of no use to continue pointing them out. You are nothing but a weasel making all sorts of claims with occasional links to demonstrably error filled articles.

You are now flailing because Iraq is slowly showing signs of improvement and you hate it.
 
Written By: JWG
URL: http://
Small steps, Erb. Small steps!
 
Written By: SShiell
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JWG, I’ve been praising Bush’s approach for the past few months. It was wrong to think you could socially engineer Iraq. The problem with neo-conservatives is that they seemed to be caught in the "enlightenment trap." The enlightenment created this belief that reason and rationality could provide the "right" answer, and that this should be true across cultures. The reality is that over centuries the "West" built its own cultural reality, based on materialism, a particular use of reason and a morality that emerges as a kind of secularized Christianity. The institutions of democracy and rule of law were built slowly, through trail and error, and fit with the developing western culture. World wars, conflicts over religion, and the like were all part of what got us to where we are. The West, as a cultural artifact, has strengths and weaknesses, but it is who we are.

Yet, in a kind of enlightenment delusional arrogance, we often think that others will simply take the product of our centuries of development, and, with a very different cultural context, simply adopt it as their own. That’s completey unrealistic, but that was the basis of the plan to use Iraq as a model to spread democracy — a seductive illusion, a belief that our cultural values are somehow able to be imposed anywhere, and will fit with other cultures. That’s exploded in our face.

Now, everyone wants Iraq to be stable and wants us to extricate ourselves from this fiasco. Nothing can undo the damage done, nothing can make the whole adventure worthwhile, even neo-conservatives like Francis Fukuyama are admitting that. And Bush’s move to realism — to reject social engineerinig, to stop trying to win and instead trying to find a graceful way out — is very welcomed. It won’t undo the harm done, however.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Boris Erb:
So yeah — my rant was my gut speaking, and that’s who I am.
Who you are is a gutless man calling his offended intellectual vanity his "gut."

The cake is yours, Boris.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Boris Erb:
JWG, I’ve been praising Bush’s approach for the past few months. It was wrong to think you could socially engineer Iraq. The problem with neo-conservatives is that they seemed to be caught in the "enlightenment trap."
Creating an avenue from dictatorship to a consensual government is not social engineering. Trying to use courts to shove something called "gay marriage" down the throats of a culture is social engineering.

Democracy is not a rare bird in the world; but it is still a rare bird in the Arab world. And helping a polity in the Arab world move toward a reasonably modern democracy and a reasonably modern civil society showed itself as entirely realistic when Iraqis themselves participated en masse in three national elections, all of which you turned your snoot up at.

What, do you think that brutal dictatorship is the best that Arabs can hope for?

Is that what your "teach this stuff" mentality tells you?
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Erb,

There wont BE a counter argument. Why? Not because you’re right (far, FAR from that) but because we’re all sick of repeating ourselves. You’re...like a petulant, stubborn child who refuses to admit you were wrong even after it’s been proven.

I (and others) have in the past taken pains to go point by point and argue your banal posts in the hopes of having some form of intellectual discussions. You reward us by tapdancing around any real facts and sticking to your hyperbole.

You’re entire post was nothing but Ad Hominem attacks, rhetoric, hyperbole, and a litany of other logical fallacies I simply wont get into because, well, you’re boring.

If this is the kind of professor the University of Maine has to offer, then that institution is in a desperate state indeed.
 
Written By: Joel C.
URL: http://
There wont BE a counter argument. Why?
You refuse to do the work to actually have a civil discussion. Instead you throw out impotent flames. If you want to actually use your brain and discuss, we can talk. But you have to be willing to actually encounter views you dislike without having to take it personally and get emotionally upset by those views.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
You refuse to do the work to actually have a civil discussion. Instead you throw out impotent flames.
Your own words are quoted back to you 22 comments down.

Also, do you not understand what "hypocrisy" means? More of your own words:
I feel sorry for you, locked in such a delusionary state of mind...instead, you attack people personally
 
Written By: JWG
URL: http://
JWG, I have no idea what your point is. Almost all the things you quote from me are things I still am arguing, you seem to think somehow this is being "thrown back at me"??? I mean, HUH? You’re trying hard — I am flattered that you dig through posts and try to find any time in talking politics I made an inaccurate prediction (how would anyone who writes and speculates a lot fare in that regard). But you’re not even finding things that have been shown to be wrong! Yet you parade them as if you were. The only thing you can try to extrapolate into something wrong is that in August I wrote "the surge has been unable to stop the violence." That was true in August, though more progress has been made to slow it since then (though Iraqi civilians deaths remain common, and I posted a link to a Washington Post story a few days ago which shows that while Baghdad has less violence, violence is higher in many other places, causing one to doubt the surge on those grounds.

It’s cute that you try so hard to dig through all my words and spend all the effort you can try to find something I wrote that’s contradictory, but to pretend you’ve found something when you haven’t is really bizarre. But I am flattered. (BTW, I could dig through all the posts here and cite claims of ’slow progress’ and predictions from years ago too — but since I’m concerned more with discussion now rather than trying to play a gotcha game, I don’t see that as a productive use of my time.) You try hard, JWG, but you’re trying to do something that is impossible for you to do. Think about it.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
I posted a link to a Washington Post story a few days ago which shows that while Baghdad has less violence, violence is higher in many other places, causing one to doubt the surge on those grounds.
Violence is now higher in some places than in Bagdad, but the violence outside of Bagdad is still lower than it was. Therefore, it is no cause to doubt the surge. Furthermore, you originally argued that "the surge was meant to provide security to two areas — Anbar province and Baghdad...It was never designed to provide security for the whole country". Now you are trying to apply it to all of Iraq? Once again — weasel.
But you’re not even finding things that have been shown to be wrong! Yet you parade them as if you were.
The obvious point (which I clearly stated) is that you make multiple claims that cover so many possibilities, that when one of them matches a single point of reality (the US may start withdrawing troops) you claim, "Look at me! I predicted that back in January!"

You want everyone to ignore that you claimed your January post was "wrong" in August. Now you are saying it was correct.

Furthermore, the Iraqis HAVE been making reconciliation progress despite all of your claims (even through December) that nothing was happening.

So to summarize, you yourself stated your January claim was "wrong," your claims that Iraq is "moving towards a partition" is wrong, and your repeated claims that Iraq is not making progress toward any reconciliation is wrong. Ultimately, your claims of why the US will begin to withdraw is wrong.

Your track record stinks and your own words prove it. You’re a joke and everyone knows it.
 
Written By: JWG
URL: http://
The obvious point (which I clearly stated) is that you make multiple claims that cover so many possibilities, that when one of them matches a single point of reality (the US may start withdrawing troops) you claim, "Look at me! I predicted that back in January!
Anybody commenting on politics (predictions about primaries, foreign policy, Cabinet appointments, etc.) will be wrong a lot and right sometimes. When someone is right, they’ll note it. I also note it when I’ve been wrong. Sometimes I think a prediction was wrong and it turns out to be correct — that’s the thing about real time commenting.

Again, you’re trying to hard to do something utterly impossible or you to do. And I think you know it, frustration is dripping off your post.

Anyway, I do not see real political progress at reconciliation at all — Iraq remains fragmented and power is in the hands of local tribes and militias, with the central government corrupt and not very potent. I think a partition is the most likely way this can end without another civil war errupting; we’ll see what happens. Here are a couple of articles:

Former Baathists skeptical of new laws Note especially the quote by one that the law is meaningless because he can’t work for organizations dominated by Shi’ite militias. The law is meaningless without a strong and stable central government.

And this: Iraq opposition alliance threatens government. The central government is weak, divided, and doesn’t really control the country. The reality is that Iraq is governed by militias, Sunni tribes, the Kurdistan government — politics is, as Tip O’Niel would say, local.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
This is from Juan Cole, who actually took a look at what the law said before starting the victory dance.
...the current head of the De-Baathification Commission, Falah Hasan Shanshal, is a member of the Sadr Movement. He said, "The law was legislated to punish anyone who committed a crime against the children of the Iraqi people . . . and in tandem, to provide that anyone who had not committed crimes must retire. Those persons may also return to public life, with the exception that some cannot work as bureaucrats in the judicial, ministerial or security bureaucracies, or in the ministries of Foreign Affairs or Finance. He added that "everyone agreed on punishing the Baath Party as a party that committed crimes against the Iraqi people."
So yes, former Baath Party memebers can be reinstated, but first they have to be fired from any position they now hold, and they can’t have any more responsible position than dog-catcher. Golf claps, Iraqi parliament, golf claps.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
Yeah, it’s amazing how some people take the passing of a law by a relatively impotent parliament and, without considering the detail of the law or the reaction of those in Iraq, parade it as some sign of reconciliation. They want so much to believe their story line that they’re grasping at straws.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm

 
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