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Mr. "Straight Talk" floats a not so straight meme
Posted by: McQ on Sunday, January 27, 2008

It's not a very impressive example of McCain's supposed "straight talk".

McCain:
''Now, one of my opponents wanted to set a date for withdrawal that would have meant disaster,'' McCain said about Romney, at a stop in Fort Myers. Then McCain added, "If we surrender and wave a white flag, like Senator Clinton wants to do, and withdraw, as Governor Romney wanted to do, then there will be chaos, genocide, and the cost of American blood and treasure would be dramatically higher."
Romney's reaction:
When told of the comments, Romney got visibly testy. ''That's dishonest, to say that I have a specific date. That's simply wrong,'' Romney said at a stop outside Tampa. "To say something that's not accurate is simply wrong, and he knows better."
McCain's reaction to Romney's reaction:
"I think the apology is owed to the young men and women serving this nation in uniform," McCain said.
The closest anyone can get to something Romney said which even alludes to "withdraw as Governor Romney wants to do" is this from an interview on "Good Morning America," on April 3, 2007:
QUESTION: Iraq. John McCain is there in Baghdad right now. You have also been very vocal in supporting the president and the troop surge. Yet, the American public has lost faith in this war. Do you believe that there should be a timetable in withdrawing the troops?

MR. ROMNEY: Well, there's no question but that — the president and Prime Minister al-Maliki have to have a series of timetables and milestones that they speak about. But those shouldn't be for public pronouncement. You don't want the enemy to understand how long they have to wait in the weeds until you're going to be gone. You want to have a series of things you want to see accomplished in terms of the strength of the Iraqi military and the Iraqi police, and the leadership of the Iraqi government.

QUESTION: So, private. You wouldn't do it publicly? Because the president has said flat out that he will veto anything the Congress passes about a timetable for troop withdrawals. As president, would you do the same?

MR. ROMNEY: Well, of course. Can you imagine a setting where during the Second World War we said to the Germans, gee, if we haven't reached the Rhine by this date, why, we'll go home, or if we haven't gotten this accomplished we'll pull up and leave? You don't publish that to your enemy, or they just simply lie in wait until that time. So, of course, you have to work together to create timetables and milestones, but you don't do that with the opposition.
I see nothing there, especially given his clarification in the last paragraph, which even alludes to Romney "wanting" to "withdraw". And I think it would be obvious to even McCain that the leaders of the two countries in question should have some vague timetable they'd like to see some implemented, even if informal, instead of an open ended commitment. If McCain believes that isn't the case, then he isn't at all as sophisticated, learned or knowledgeable about foreign affairs or national defense as he'd like you to believe.
 
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The more of McCain’s words I hear or read, the less I like him, and I wasn’t very fond of him to start with.
 
Written By: timactual
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If you make policy like a Democrat, why not campaign like one.
 
Written By: jpm100
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I was generally unaware that "straight talk" was largely omprised of lies.

So McCain has taught us one thing, at least...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Agree with the straight talk and lies. It’s sad to see McCain following in the Clintons footsteps. McCain’s AMNESTY idiocy was enough for me.
 
Written By: bill-tb
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Did Romney want a timetable? Unquestionably! Nobody is denying that!

But he was the ONLY MAN IN THE UNIVERSE to come up with the idea that it should be a secret kept between Bush and El Maliki, as though they were two dictators whose regimes were hermetically leak-proof! Is that how he hopes to govern, by making secret deals which can then be affirmed or denied as the circumstances warrant? Are we back in 1914?

Good Luck with That!

The naivété of the man on foreign affairs is embarrassing; is he going to admit, as John McCain has about the Economy, that the fight against radical Islam is not his forté?

Not our Mitt! The ONLY reason he’s around is because the Conservative Republicans are now suffering from MDS, a variation of BDS, in which everything that is not "pure" 100% conservative, or bears the McCain brand,is heresy!

Again, Good Luck with That!



 
Written By: eliXelx
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...and a postscript to whomever wrote that whirling dervish of a last paragraph.

Do you really believe that saying "we should have a timetable but not let the enemy know" is sophisticated statesmanship? Have you stopped spinning yet?

It’s Ok to tell the Senate and Congress and CNN and the NYT, and Mr El-Maliki (but only because we have to!) but for heaven’s sake make sure that those suicide bombers don’t get Al-Jazeera or listen to every word that Hillary speaks!

The reason Romney made that comment at that time was because he, like all you others, believed, with Harry Reid, that the war was lost and that we had to get out, one way or another. McCain never ever admitted the possibility of a timetable. He KNEW it was winnable; it would just take a long long time!

Secretly withdrawing 130,000 troops and their equipment with their tails between their legs! Oh yeah!

Miltonian Statemanship, or how to secretly surrender and call it victory!
 
Written By: eliXelx
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Do you really believe that saying "we should have a timetable but not let the enemy know" is sophisticated statesmanship? Have you stopped spinning yet?
Hey, whistle-britches, common sense tells you that there would be some sort of plan which would include time-frames if you planned on anything but an open ended commitment. Obviously that should be kept from your enemy. And the last paragraph from Romney was a clarification of that point so what he said previously wouldn’t be taken as you and McCain have chosen to take it.

The fact that you’ve chosen to do so says more about you and "spinning" than Romney.

BTW, I’m not a Romney supporter. But I’m also not inclined to support someone who purposely puts out inaccurate information as McCain has.
The reason Romney made that comment at that time was because he, like all you others, believed, with Harry Reid, that the war was lost and that we had to get out, one way or another.
I am always pleased when someone as informed as you shows up to set all of us who thought "the war was lost" what’s what.

Talk about ill-informed nonsense - you, my friend, take the cake. You are a perfect McCain supporter.
 
Written By: McQ
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...and now my last word...
MR. ROMNEY: Well, of course. Can you imagine a setting where during the Second World War we said to the Germans, gee, if we haven’t reached the Rhine by this date, why, we’ll go home, or if we haven’t gotten this accomplished we’ll pull up and leave? You don’t publish that to your enemy, or they just simply lie in wait until that time. So, of course, you have to work together to create timetables and milestones, but you don’t do that with the opposition.
There were never ever timetables agreed upon, secretly or publicly, between the Allies; War Aims, yes! Hoped-for outcomes, Yes! But Eisenhower was never given a date by which it had to be done—not even in those times when secrecy was far easier a game than it is today, and people truly respected the "loose lips sink ships" adage!

How long would a timetable agreed between Bush and Maliki remain secret, especially one for "withdrawal"? These are not "milestones" about training the Iraqi Divisions. Milt wanted ro set a secret date for withdrawal!

Churchill did have a timetable for the war! In the darkest days of 1942 for the retreating allies he demanded "TOTAL SURRENDER" of the Nazis. That was the ONLY timetable he ever contemplated!

"Whistle britches"?? is that red-neck speak?
 
Written By: eliXelx
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There were never ever timetables agreed upon, secretly or publicly, between the Allies...
And, of course, you’d know all about any "secret" timetables, wouldn’t you?

Yeesh.

BTW ... did you manage to hit the link I left and figure out how often I’ve sided with Harry Reid and the anti-war types?
"Whistle britches"?? is that red-neck speak?
It’s actually pretty descriptive of where you’re speaking from.
 
Written By: McQ
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I guess elixelx missed the part about "Can you imagine a setting where during the Second World War"

Can you imagine, as in, it didn’t happen, but imagine if we had.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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