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McCain: For those of you with short memories
Posted by: McQ on Friday, February 01, 2008

A reminder of he who would characterize others as having newfound "conservatism":
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was close to leaving the Republican Party in 2001, weeks before then-Sen. Jim Jeffords (Vt.) famously announced his decision to become an Independent, according to former Democratic lawmakers who say they were involved in the discussions.

In interviews with The Hill this month, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) and ex-Rep. Tom Downey (D-N.Y.) said there were nearly two months of talks with the maverick lawmaker following an approach by John Weaver, McCain’s chief political strategist.

Democrats had contacted Jeffords and then-Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R-R.I.) in the early months of 2001 about switching parties, but in McCain’s case, they said, it was McCain’s top strategist who came to them.

[...]

Daschle said that throughout April and May of 2001, he and McCain “had meetings and conversations on the floor and in his office, I think in mine as well, about how we would do it, what the conditions would be. We talked about committees and his seniority … [A lot of issues] were on the table.”
Of course, Mr. "Straight Talk" denies it completely:
Absolutely not so, according to McCain. In a statement released by his campaign, McCain said, “As I said in 2001, I never considered leaving the Republican Party, period.”
Uh, huh, and Mitt Romney wants timetables and withdrawal from Iraq.

Hardly the story of a staunch conservative and man of ideological principles is it? Instead its the story of someone who hasn't flirted with going over to the other side because he lost an election. And now he denies everything in the face of the remembrances of many others. Funny what politicians try to get away with, isn't it?

(HT: Joel C.)
 
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If Mccain gets the nomination I am having second thoughts on voting at all this year. Even against Billary.

 
Written By: retired military
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This article via floppingaces.net,
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24726&s=rcme
points out that 4 states which are liberal and more liberal than many percieve due to recent demographic changes have decided the Republican Primary for the rest of us or at least picked the candidate who has the momentum (and the press) going into Super Tuesday.

I would further suggest it seemed handy that many (all?) of those not only are more liberal than given credit for, but they pulled their elections ahead and had their delegates stripped completely. I would also include Michigan as a state which is more liberal than some would guess. Essentially allowing liberals to cross-over and heavily influence the Republican Primary going into Super Tuesday.

Michigan at one point was going to switch her date back to restore her delegates but that talk quietly died away.

Dumb luck or masterful strategy by the Democrats?
 
Written By: jpm100
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Even Coulter would vote for Hillary against McCain

Madness! :)
 
Written By: capt joe
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Hilarious. McCain has a lifetime ranking of 82 from the ACU, and the visceral emotional hatred by some because of a few quotes or accusations causes absolute irrational reactions. If you care to be irritated any more, check out my blog today, "The McCain Delusion."
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Hearing this account reminded me that I expected McCain to switch parties sometime after the 2000 election. (This isn’t to show I’m some kind of prognosticator or political genius, but I think many were thinking the same thing at the time, I just forgot.)

McCain’s resentment and bitterness was THAT pronounced. Sure, he talked seniority and committee seats and chairs. But there was one reason and one reason only, I think, why he decided to stay put when Jeffords jumped for a "lower price."

The shift of power from the GOP to the Democrats was a slap at Bush, and placed McCain (even as a GOP) in a far stronger position. Treated much like an independent himself, working with the Dems as a de facto double agent have him power and influence. Look how he used it.

He got the most he could be staying put. That, and it had to be clear to McCain that there was one heavyweight in particular in the Democratic Party, who could block entirely his dreams for the White House. There’s no way Hillary will let anyone take her chance away, certainly not some GOP turncoat Vietnam Vet babykiller like McCain. And McCain could expect little support from his new found friends. So it made better sense to stay put.

It all fits. I’m surprised someone else didn’t figure this one out sooner.
 
Written By: Dadmanly
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and the visceral emotional hatred by some because of a few quotes or accusations causes absolute irrational reactions
First, there are plenty of rational reasons to dislike McCain. Most of them have been listed on this blog, which I know you have read, and yet you never address them. Here are but three: Keating 5, McCain-Feingold, and amnesty for illegal aliens. Is it not irrational to dislike a candidate who holds positions antithetical to one’s own?

Second, McCain’s lifetime rating means nothing. It’s his actions of the past 5-8 years that matter. He may have been conservative 20 years ago, but he is considerably less so today. Please stop bringing up the "lifetime rating" stat, because it isn’t meaningful in today’s context.

 
Written By: Steverino
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Hilarious. McCain has a lifetime ranking of 82 from the ACU, and the visceral emotional hatred by some because of a few quotes or accusations causes absolute irrational reactions.
Exactly. The same conservatives who held their noses and voted for Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush, and G.W. Bush, have now decided that it’s somehow better to have Hillary or Obama as President than John McCain.

DALE RESPONDS: Perhaps it’s because they’ve seen the results of those votes, and derived lessons from them.


 
Written By: David C.
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" and the visceral emotional hatred by some because of a few quotes or accusations causes absolute irrational reactions. "


Let’s see

NY TImes endorses Billary

NY Times endorses McCain.

That speaks enough for me. Maybe just maybe we have looked past the few quotes and accusations and *GASP* saw his actions over the past 8 years or so.

Your ascertion that he has a lifetime rating of 82 is meaningless. Suppose you have a person that kills their 10 years old for no reason. Gee you can say that they have a great track record of parenting for 9 years. I am sure that as a baby Stalin was harmless too bad he killed 30 million people in his later years but for those first 5 or 10 years of life he was probably a good person. Beauchamp was probably a good soldier too wasnt he Scott? That is umm until he went AWOL a few times, made up things about his fellow soldiers, and decided to want to enhance his career as a writer at the expense of his fellow soldiers.

Your arguments are meaningless. And your assumptions that you konw why we choose what we do are just as meaningless.

The mere fact that Scott is trying to stick up for McCain raises a red flag in my book.

As I said in another thread McCain has 2 things going for him.

1. He isnt Billary
2. He may die before completing 4 years in office.

 
Written By: retired military
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The problem with McCain is that 2012 we either re-elect him or put in a the Democratic nominee.

Then there’s the issue of Liberal inspired policies of McCain being laid at the feet of Republicans/Conservatives when they backfire.

Finally, Hillary will not only be opposed by most Republicans but many Democrats. We see this now with Pelosi/Reid and Iraqi withdrawal. But if blame can be saddled on the Republican President, I don’t see as many Democrats defecting. And I see many Republicans Robots supporting him regardless of his policies. Basically for trying to pass the same liberal legislation, McCain will be successful in many places Hillary would not be.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Hilarious. McCain has a lifetime ranking of 82 from the ACU
Erb is once again a terrible poli-sci professor.

McCain hasn’t scored above 80 from the ACU since 1996.

His 2006 rating was 65.

Furthermore, his lifetime average of 82 puts him below 38 currently serving senators.
His 2006 score put him below 46 senators.
His 2005 score put him below 45 senators.
His 2004 score put him below 46 senators.

Erb needs to leave out the context in order to paint McCain as a strong conservative.

As usual, Erb shows himself to be full of sh!t.
 
Written By: JWG
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Basically for trying to pass the same liberal legislation, McCain will be successful in many places Hillary would not be.
I agree 100%. This is why I will NOT vote for McCain.
 
Written By: JWG
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McCain hasn’t scored above 80 from the ACU since 1996
But did have 80 in 2005, and you don’t deny that his lifetime score is 82.5 (something also noted in a column by Victor D. Hanson). But hey, if you want to pretend McCain isn’t conservative, you’re going to have a miserable year — sort of like someone who hates both teams in the Superbowl. I gotta chuckle. I described your problem on my blog today. You simply are a bit out of touch with reality. Oh well, no harm in that — quite the contrary, in this case!
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
To be fair, I liked Dole.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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But did have 80 in 2005
And that put him BELOW 45 senators!
you don’t deny that his lifetime score is 82.5
Yeah, he USED to be conservative.

He hasn’t scored above his average even once in a decade. That makes using his "average" to prove something about his present views meaningless.
if you want to pretend McCain isn’t conservative, you’re going to have a miserable year
I’m not sure why that is the case. I don’t have to vote for a republican candidate in order to be happy.
 
Written By: JWG
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"if you want to pretend McCain isn’t conservative, you’re going to have a miserable year"


A. It isnt pretending

B. I would love to see McCain’s ambitions washed down the river along with Billary’s. Hopefully Romney will get elected and I can have a twofer.

c. I still think if McCain doesnt get the nomination that he will be Billary’s VP pick.

And using an average to try to prove a point about current views is deceptive as well as disenginous. You could say that on average Kerry is a great Senator since he has been elected 4 out of 4(?) times. Or that he was a war hero becuase 82.5% of people who got three purple hearts during Vietnam was a war hero.

Also stop shilling your stupid site. I find that if you have to advertise your blog in your posts it means it isnt worth a damn to look at anyway and your posts arent worth the time they take to read. Maybe you should pay QANDO money for the advertising space and bandwidth you eat up.
 
Written By: retired military
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I now, finally, see everyone’s point about Erb. I retract any defense I made on his behalf. Erb, for a professor you do a surprising lack of thinking.
 
Written By: Grimshaw
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I just realized why Scott thinks McCain is so conservative. It is because he (Scott) is so far left that he looks at someone who rides the middle as McCain does as someone who is far right. It is the only reasonable answer.



 
Written By: retired military
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He really wants you to click the link to his site, too. How bout another linky for the trifecta? Exceptionally good turn-of-phrase today?
 
Written By: Rob
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Scotty pooh must have got his feelings hurt and he decided to take his blog and go somewhere else to play. Either that or he is frantically banging out another piece of meaningless tripe with flawed logic so he can come here and link it on this board.

P.S. Scott
If we wanted to read your blog guess what. We would be there reading it instead of having to suffer through you drivel here.

Dont go away mad. Just go away.
 
Written By: reitred military
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Exactly. The same conservatives who held their noses and voted for Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush, and G.W. Bush, have now decided that it’s somehow better to have Hillary or Obama as President than John McCain.

DALE RESPONDS: Perhaps it’s because they’ve seen the results of those votes, and derived lessons from them.
WOW

I haven’t seen this much ownage since Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson.

Instead of multiple threads about McCain, just put this as a banner headline on top of the homepage. "Nuf said!
 
Written By: shark
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I now, finally, see everyone’s point about Erb. I retract any defense I made on his behalf. Erb, for a professor you do a surprising lack of thinking.
If it weren’t for Professor Erb.............. you fools would be unchallenged in your stupidity..........

At the very least he keeps you thinking.......... at best he destroys your myths
 
Written By: darohu
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