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Berkeley - longing for the good old days
Posted by: mcq on Saturday, February 02, 2008

Dale covered this a couple of days ago, but it is unfortunate for any vet of the Vietnam era to see the same verbiage still lives among the anti-war crowd:
"You guys are just cannon fodder!" the chained protesters shouted at three teenage boys who walked past the office and said they wanted to go inside. "They want to train you to kill babies!"
Oh, and I love this as well:
"I guess they've never heard of free speech," Councilwoman Dona Spring said. "I've had a lot of nasty phone messages today, threatening me with things like saying, 'I'll take you out.' But they can go ahead. I don't feel scared."
Of course what's obvious is the other end of free speech - taking responsibility for what you say as well as the consequences - isn't supposed to be a part of this. But you've got to love the "I'm not scared" maturity level on display.

As for the Marines? They're, as usual, the only adults in this little drama:
"It's just another protest," said Marine Corps Capt. Richard Lund, head of the recruiting office.
Yup, just another day at the office watching aging hippies make fools of themselves once again.
 
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I favor a counter protest with signs saying, "Is Code Pink your Mama?"

But I think a sign that had a soldier (Marine, whatever) on one side with, "Trained to kill babies?" and on the other side a doctor with "Trained to kill babies." would cause aneurysms to the right people.
 
Written By: Synova
URL: http://synova.blogspot.com
Oh, the soldier/Marine should be holding a small child. The doctor should hold a scalpel.
 
Written By: Synova
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I object to the use of the word "fools" in the last paragraph. The world "fool" has a connotation of innocence and likeability which these people completely lack.
 
Written By: kishnevi
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Gods I wanna buy that Captain a drink...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Of course what’s obvious is the other end of free speech - taking responsibility for what you say as well as the consequences - isn’t supposed to be a part of this.
That sounds like you condone threatening someone for exercising free speech. That shouldn’t be a consequence of taking a political position. The people making threatening phone calls are scum, far worse in character than the people being threatened. And, of course, if an anti-war protester threatens someone pro-war, then the same rules apply — those who threaten are the ones not accepting free speech, and no one has a responsibility for the consequence if that consequence is a threat.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Scott, look up the term "fighting words." Some things are more than offensive enough to excuse violence... and Copperheads top the list.
 
Written By: SDN
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Dude, "fighting words" son’t mean you get to fight somebody who says them. They mean the government gets to arrest somebody who says them.
 
Written By: Retief
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I actually really like ZombieTime’s coverage on this: http://www.zombietime.com/berkeley_marine_corps_2-1-2008/

Especially the last photo of the Captain spraying away the residue from the wacko’s. I think it’s a nice analogy for the results of their wasted efforts - I especially like the part that once the media attention dies off again it’ll probably go back to a what it once was:
"The protests have been scheduled almost daily for over three months continuously, though bad weather (and apathy) have meant minimal (and sometimes nonexistent) attendence at many of these events..."
 
Written By: BillS
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Scott, look up the term "fighting words." Some things are more than offensive enough to excuse violence.
If someone is so childish that they resort to violence on the basis of words like that, they deserve to be thrown in jail and pay the price with the consequences of their behavior, which unfortunately will affect their family and friends. People who would resort to violence over something like this are traitors to the Constitution.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
People who would resort to violence over something like this are traitors to the Constitution.
Next time we’re in Maine, we’ll be sure to stop by your campus and put it to the test then, Doc....
 
Written By: Joe
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Punch the hippies. Oops sorry, I was channeling Frank J. This whole affair with the berkley city council clearly illustrates why our founding fathers were less than enamored of democracy. Without the rule of law, these idiots in berkley would be able to run anybody they liked out of town. Marines first then who?
 
Written By: Paden Cash
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"People who would resort to violence over something like this are traitors to the Constitution."

’Traitors’? A bit of hysterical overreaction there, I would say. Tut, tut. You must learn to keep your emotions in check.
 
Written By: timactual
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Fighting Words;
" The First Amendment doctrine that holds that certain utterances are not constitutionally protected as free speech if they are inherently likely to provoke a violent response from the audience"

http://americandefenseleague.com/fightwds.htm
 
Written By: timactual
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If someone is so childish that they resort to violence on the basis of words like that, they deserve to be thrown in jail and pay the price with the consequences of their behavior, which unfortunately will affect their family and friends. People who would resort to violence over something like this are traitors to the Constitution.
Please, I doubt you actually believe that. If a black man and his family are walking down the street and some racist scumbag come up to them and starts spouting all sorts of racist slurs, you think that man is a "traitor to the Constitution" if he punches the racist in the face? Are you going to vote to convict and send him to jail for assault and battery if he’s charged?
 
Written By: David C.
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That sounds like you condone threatening someone for exercising free speech
It sounds like he condones someone taking the consequences of their free speech, which sometimes unfortunately includes things like this. The person making threats also will face consequences if they are caught.

Even an academic can understand that.
 
Written By: shark
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Do you all know why it’s called Assualt and Battery - Battery in the law is the act of striking someone. Assualt does not require physical violence.

BTW - I find it interesting that the "peaceful - we just want you to hear our side of things" folks handcuff themselves to the doors to prevent entry. That’s a physical limitation and illustrates another liberal lie. Since of course an anti-abortionist handcuffing themselves to the doors of an abortion clinic would be carted off to jail... and appropriately so.

btw, just checking Mr. Erb, I believe you specified the same rules apply? If the protesters at the USMC physically interfere with anyone entering or leaving they should go to jail, they are traitors to the constitution, isn’t that an equal application of your statements?
 
Written By: BillS
URL: http://bills-opinions.blogspot.com/
Threatening violence is not acceptable but I don’t get the idea that this is what the Berkeley City Council lady was really talking about. Oh, she’s not scared, because the likelihood of violence is small. The Code Pinkers aren’t scared either, because, chained to the door of baby-killers, they know they are physically safe from violent retribution. This doesn’t take bravery.

What Dona Spring figures is that free speech means that she’s allowed to do what she does without suffering consequences for it. Not violence, which she knows isn’t going to happen, but anger directed at her and disapproval.

The fact that these people *aren’t* scared and that the Code Pinkers chained to the door *aren’t* scared simply proves that what they say about the Marines are lies.

In a fair world someone physically obstructing a business would be physically and ungently removed. They aren’t standing with signs. *They* are getting physical and *they* have gotten government sanction for getting physical and physically harassing other citizens.
 
Written By: Synova
URL: http://synova.blogspot.com
As soon as the Feds cut off the money, these childish antics will stop.

 
Written By: MarkD
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People who would resort to violence over something like this are traitors to the Constitution.
What a stupid thing to say. Perhaps you need to learn something about the Constitution. Perhaps a refresher of your 8th grade history is in order.
 
Written By: Don
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