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Pride. Integrity. Guts.
Posted by: Dale Franks on Tuesday, February 12, 2008

This must be more of that increasing police professionalism that Justice Scalia's always on about.

 
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Commenting on the road with a ’renter’...
I recognize that as the Balitmore Inner Harbor.
The cop was totally out of line for grabbing the skateboard the way he did.
The lecture on not calling a cop ’dude’ once he had the kid seated was actually appropriate but he’d lost any chance of a valid message when he lost his temper... he was fine when he asked the kid to sit down but prior to that his behavior was unacceptable outside of a prison.
 
Written By: BillS
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"You got that camera on? Because if I find myself..."

Oh well... Better luck next time.

To quote a TV show: "Be polite, respect the officer, and get a badge number."

He lost when he escalated to a threat of violence he couldn’t follow through on.

I’m also a big fan of telling the kid to sit down while he’s on his back then smacking him when he sits up.
 
Written By: Ryan
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The cop was a bit over the top...BUT....good job putting that little turd in his place. Were it me i’d have probably tazed the lil’ bro and broke his stupid skate board. Little pr*cklette.

All he had to do was do what the officer said, listen and NOT talk back and all is well in skateboard town...but he didn’t.

I will say though that back in my youth...I "might" have had to make a comment about that POS "green" cop car. Maybe the cop was making up for that???.
 
Written By: markm
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Were it me i’d have probably tazed the lil’ bro and broke his stupid skate board.
You’re a real hero. Long live Crispus Attukcs - cops need to remember that they are public servants, and not our overlords. This cop threatened and assaulted the kid, and deserves far more than the administrative transfer with pay that he received.

Oh, and the kid did do what the officer said. The problem is that he had the temerity to call the officer "dude". This behavior never would have happened if the news cameras or the officer’s superiors had been on hand to witness it... and agents of the law should always behave as they would if they thought the whole world is witness.

God bless YouTube for bringing that closer to the fore of most officers’ minds.
 
Written By: Wulf
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"Were it me i’d have probably tazed the lil’ bro and broke his stupid skate board."

"You’re a real hero."

Nope. Just tired of teenage kids acting like there is no consequences for their actions and their almost absolute absence of respect. Notice how the other two kids didn’t have a problem because they listened.

"Oh, and the kid did do what the officer said."

Uh, no, he clearly didn’t. He tried to get up when he was "sat down". Kept calling the cop dude. Kept talking back. Again, notice how the other two kids didn’t have a problem with the officer.
 
Written By: markm
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Just tired of teenage kids acting like there is no consequences...
And the standard for the cop? Or for yourself? If you tazed a kid for calling you "dude", what exactly do you think would be the consequences?
 
Written By: Wulf
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Apparently the Baltimore Police Department and City Hall didn’t think the officer was doing a great job, either, based on the comments on numerous stories out this morning on the subject. The cop, Officer Salvatore Rivieri, has been suspended pending an internal affairs review. The Mayor and a spokesman for the PD have both said this was inappropriate and "bad behavior" for a cop.

As well they should. It’s cops like this that paint the picture the public has of cops and make the jobs of every cop - good and bad - much, much harder.
 
Written By: Ric James
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He’d have tased me just to make me stop laughing at that uniform.
 
Written By: Arcs
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"Just tired of teenage kids acting like there is no consequences..."
"And the standard for the cop? Or for yourself?"

Apparently both. Look, the other skateboarders did as they were told or were smart enough not to get lippy with a cheezed off cop in a stupid car. If he’d have listened (which he didn’t)and didn’t lip off to the cop (which he did) then there wouldn’t have been an issue (which there was).

DALE RESPONDS: That is completely and utterly wrong. In more than a decade of service in both military and civilian law enforcement, the standard for professional behavior has NEVER been meaasured based on the behavior of the people you contact in public. As a police officer, you are ABSOLUTELY responsible for behaving professionally—and CALMLY—at all times.

If the cop had been professional, and handled the situation properly, there wouldn’t have been an issue either.

I hope to Christ you aren’t a police officer, because with that attitude, you are probably a piss-poor one. If you can’t handle a little lip on the street, then, frankly, you don’t have what it takes to be a police officer.

And if this cop had started on me with that, "You disrespected me, this badge, and my department!" bullsh*t, I’d’ve looked him in the eye, and said, "Well, that’s because I don’t have any respect for a department that hires a fat POS like you. So, I suggest you get a patrol supervisor here right now, fat boy."

And then what would you do? Now, I’m all mouthy on your ass, and I’m NOT some 14 year-old kid that you can force to the ground with ease. I’m a problem. So, where do you take the situation now, tough guy?
 
Written By: markm
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I blame (Eric) Bush.

That cop is a really tough guy. I feel safer already that I won’t be attacked by skateboard-wielding 14-year-olds.

Dude.
 
Written By: the wolf
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When officer dude grows up, they might let him weawr long pants like the rest of the ossifers.

"I recognize that as the Balitmore Inner Harbor."

Another reason not to go downtown. A colleague of my wife’s had a similar adventure with the Baltimore police which unfortunately involved a drawn weapon and a totally unjustified arrest.


"All he had to do was do what the officer said, listen and NOT talk back"

Right. Just like all those grownup felons do. Something tells me officer dude would be a little less aggressive and more circumspect with an actual adult criminal. I couldn’t see if he was carrying a weapon, but if he was I’ll bet they only let him have one bullet for it. Officer dude also obviously needs to spend some quality time at the gym, or he won’t be able to fit into that clown car.

"’cause if you go around doin’ this kinda stuff, somebody’s going to kill you"

Is officer dude speaking of skateboarding or being overly casual with Baltimore police officers?

"Again, notice how the other two kids didn’t have a problem with the officer."

Yeah, fear will do that. The other kids were obviously a little smarter and realized immediately what they were dealing with. And I mean that seriously. Respect had nothing to do with it.


"He’d have tased me just to make me stop laughing at that uniform."

Unfortunately, I think I would also find myself being arrested for that, too. This is an argument for surveillance cameras in public places. With audio.
 
Written By: timactual
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mark, if you really need to have this spelled out for you, let’s go over what makes the officer so wrong.

1. The officer threatens to arrest the kid for being “defensive” at 0:15. That’d hold up. Very professional.
2. Let’s assume “dude” is a term of horrible disrespect. The cop shouldn’t have used it in retaliation at the kid at 0:20. Who exactly is escalating the situation - the child or the supposed adult?
3. The officer threatens to initiate force at 0:30. FYI, this is illegal.
4. The officer initiates force (assaults) the child at 0:40. FYI, this is illegal.
5. 0:53, after already having been threatened and assaulted, the kid sits up and might be about to stand back up. This is the justification you gave for the officer assaulting the kid back at 0:40 and threatening him back at 0:30. Time warp!
6. 1:40 “You don’t understand the meaning of respect!” LOL, irony. Respect my authoritah!
7. 2:00 won’t be hard to construe that as a death threat. Professionalism at its best. We might see that one in court. I wonder how the cop feels about the possibility that these kids will repeat that line to some 14 year old kid when they’re 35 and twice the kid’s weight. Was that a service to the community, Officer Dude? Was it legal?

Could the kid have made it a little easier on himself by lying prostrate and groveling? Probably. Should that be necessary? Absolutely not. Is it what America is supposed to stand for? Absolutely not.
 
Written By: Wulf
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"Could the kid have made it a little easier on himself by lying prostrate and groveling?"

The others didn’t lay prostrate or grovel nor did the cop f*ck with them.

"Should that be necessary? Absolutely not"

Agreed, and the others in the video it wasn’t necessary.

"In more than a decade of service in both military and civilian law enforcement, the standard for professional behavior has NEVER been meaasured based on the behavior of the people you contact in public. As a police officer, you are ABSOLUTELY responsible for behaving professionally—and CALMLY—at all times."

That’s not ALWAYS the case though. Hell, you can search youtube or RealTV and see that’s not the gospel. There’s good one’s and bad ones. You can do as they say, not get lippy and you go on your way with either...OR you can do as this kid did, or like Dale says "I don’t have any respect for a department that hires a fat POS like you. So, I suggest you get a patrol supervisor here right now, fat boy" and separate the wheat from the chaffe. Your call.


 
Written By: markm
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"The others didn’t lay prostrate or grovel"

Not literally, but they were certainly properly ’respectful’, i.e. fearful and subservient to their master.


"You can do as they say, not get lippy and you go on your way with either..."

Not always. As you say, there are some bad ones.
 
Written By: timactual
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"The others didn’t lay prostrate or grovel"
"Not literally, but they were certainly properly ’respectful’, i.e. fearful and subservient to their master."

Maybe it’s the way I grew up. I know nothing good would have come from lipping off to a parent/someone my elder and it didn’t matter if they were right or wrong. You just didn’t do it...hence my schadenfreude for this punk and his mouth.


"You can do as they say, not get lippy and you go on your way with either..."
"Not always. As you say, there are some bad ones."

C’mon. You may be able to get away with getting in a "good" cops face. Aint gunna happen if you come across the wrong guy or a good cop having a brutal day (I know, I know...shouldn’t matter. They are not droids though). You don’t know if he’s Mr Professional Calm police man, you just don’t. 99% of the time even a bad cop isn’t going to bust your balls if you are not stirring the pot. I’m sure this kid is used to people telling him "you can’t skateboard here" and i’m sure he’s comfortable telling the same people to F-off. The kid isn’t Mr innocent, he knew what he was doing. I will say the look on his face was one of "omg, no adult has ever jumped in my sh*t before" (again, I know, I said the cop was over the top). His buddies were much the wiser.
 
Written By: markm
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Aint gunna happen if you come across the wrong guy...
I appreciate you admitting that the officer in this video is the "wrong guy". If he can’t control his anger when dealing with a (kinda/sorta) noncompliant teenager, he is definitely the wrong guy for this line of work - as Dale notes above. He did not recognize that before abusing his authority, and now he is (hopefully) paying for it.

Where your judgement is unfounded, markm, is in assuming that this kid is a "little turd" who deserves to be assaulted and tased. Calling the officer "dude" is not backtalk, and even if it were, backtalk does not justify the use of force. You assume - with no evidence - that this kid typically tells people to "F-off" and that he knew that he was provoking this cop...

...who would be wrong to initiate force anyway.
 
Written By: Wulf
URL: http://www.atlasblogged.com
It could have been worse. He could have been in Stark County, Ohio.
 
Written By: Retief
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