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Climate Change - Bottled water is "morally unacceptable"
Posted by: McQ on Sunday, February 17, 2008

That is, if you believe the premise that man-made CO2 is the sole source of climate change in this world and something which should be controlled:
Drinking bottled water should be made as unfashionable as smoking, according to a government adviser.

"We have to make people think that it's unfashionable just as we have with smoking. We need a similar campaign to convince people that this is wrong," said Tim Lang, the Government's naural resources commissioner.

Phil Woolas, the environment minister, added that the amount of money spent on mineral water "borders on being morally unacceptable".
The problem, as they see it, is a new study which claims bottled water generates up to "600 times more CO2 than a litre of tap water." That's enough to condemn it and call those who drink it 'immoral'.

No word on how much CO2 a liter of tap water generates, but my guess is the difference comes from packaging and transportation.

I have to wonder how much the tsunami victims worried about the immorality of bottled water when faced with cholera and the lack of potable water in the wake of the wave?
 
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Next, I assume, will be decaffeinated coffee, since they use CO2 in the decaffeination process.
 
Written By: Neo
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How much excess CO2 is generated by all the processing and packaging that we see in supermarket food? I guess it is back to loose bulk dried beans and fruits, pasta and seasonal vegetables, and no frozen products. At least unprocessed food is better for you, and an increased incidence of food borne disease is a small price to pay for saving an entire planet. Welcome to the 19th century.
 
Written By: timactual
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Now they’ve done it...

Deprive the hipsters their bottled water, and you will NOT like their reaction...

This, gentlemen, would be the environmental movemnt jumping the shark..
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Indonesia? I gotta think that they’d be considered "acceptable losses" if it means reducing the consumption of such a dangerous substance as bottled water. </sarcasm>

 
Written By: Jeff Medcalf
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No Jeff. The only people who should die are those who support Bush*tler and his snuff-film fantasy of an illegal, immoral war.

THOSE are the people who have to die. Don’t you know anything?
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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The better solution is getting rid of 88 per cent of the economy ?
 
Written By: Neo
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They make a good point, and the suggestion is not to ban bottled water, but to try to influence people to choose tap water when possible.

I have a water purifier in my house, and the product is virtually identical to bottled water, so I just fill up a jug every day and sip on that. I used to drink bottled water, but filling up recycle bin with plastic every week, and spending $10, for what comes out of my tap seemed a bit wasteful.

There is nothing authoritarian or anti-liberty about trying to make people aware of a wasteful habit, and encouraging them to change their behavior.

Can you make an argument that, regardless of environmental consequences, it’s a GOOD IDEA to drink bottled water on a constant basis as opposed to filtered tap water?

You are welcomed to drink water any way you want (and the group is not arguing otherwise), but I just want to see if anyone is willing to argue that there are any benefits?

Coke and Pepsico and Nestle and a few others think it’s a great idea, since they get to put filtered tap water into a plastic bottle and sell it to you for $2 a gallon or more, but I can’t see benefit for me, my family, or the environment. Forget the CO2 for a moment and consider the 160 billion empty plastic bottles that are the waste product of this consumption every year. Also, from an energy consumption standpoint, it takes 1.5 million barrels of oil to manufacture these bottles, that’s enough to run 100,000 cars for a year.

If I drink something out of a bottle, it’s going to be beer, preferably a good stout from the UK.

Cheers
 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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Deprive the hipsters their bottled water, and you will NOT like their reaction...
I dunno, there’s a certain dark amusement to be found in watching self-righteous leftista snots go into paroxysms of hypocritical sophistry when it’s their ox lined up for a goring.
 
Written By: Achillea
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I dunno, there’s a certain dark amusement to be found in watching self-righteous leftista snots go into paroxysms of hypocritical sophistry when it’s their ox lined up for a goring.
Hey, if you support the idea out of nasty spite, at least your supporting the idea.
 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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Actually, I’d rather people drink tap water due to the fluridation (which isn’t done to bottled water)...

But honestly, I don’t care enough either way... I just can’t wait to see if it actually happens. It’s unlikely to catch on, because what would the youth of america do without their lil bottles of evian
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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But honestly, I don’t care enough either way... I just can’t wait to see if it actually happens. It’s unlikely to catch on, because what would the youth of america do without their lil bottles of evian
If they want to have their image and save the planet too, they could just put filtered tap water in the lil Evian bottles?

I can’t say that I particularly care what other people do, but I think if more people thought about it, they might reduce the bottled water consumption and lean more to the tap.

How many times does the better option include less cost, less waste, less energy, less pollution, and really, no loss of quality. Just a few seconds at the tap.

 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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If they want to have their image and save the planet too, they could just put filtered tap water in the lil Evian bottles?
They could, but I suspect that would require them to be far more clever than I believe they are, unless they can find a way to tie it to "9/11 was an inside job". :)
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Hey, if you support the idea out of nasty spite, at least your supporting the idea.
That’s Ms. Nasty Spite to you, pal. ;)

As far as the idea goes, I don’t much care one way or another. I’m not nearly credulous enough to buy into AGW and I’m far too cheap to buy bottled water, which leaves me as merely a bystander in this ... albeit a highly entertained bystander.
 
Written By: Achillea
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I’m not nearly credulous enough to buy into AGW
You don’t have to buy into AGW to know that 1.5 million barrels of oil expended, and 160 BILLION empty plastic containers, to provide what people get out of their taps is probably not a good use of money, oil, or landfill, AGW or not.

But I won’t pretend I am in a position to preach, I would not be allowed into the Sierra Club, or any other environmental group.

This water bottle thing just so obviously makes sense.

 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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I guess it is back to loose bulk dried beans and fruits, pasta and seasonal vegetables, and no frozen products.
only if it’s dried using a solar dehydrator.

I wonder if global warming is caused by all the hotair released from folks like al gore fear mongering.
 
Written By: Mac
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You don’t have to buy into AGW to know that 1.5 million barrels of oil expended, and 160 BILLION empty plastic containers, to provide what people get out of their taps is probably not a good use of money, oil, or landfill, AGW or not.
Right. Except that the market decides otherwise. Proper resource allocation is determined by supply and demand, not by moralistic morons who think they know better . . .

 
Written By: Don
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Right. Except that the market decides otherwise. Proper resource allocation is determined by supply and demand, not by moralistic morons who think they know better . . .
Whoa, slow down there Tonto. The moralistic morons are not trying to decide what you are ALLOWED to do, they are trying to influence consumers and change what the market decides.

A completely rational, and libertarian, method of responding to what these people consider a threat to the planet.

There are communities that are attempting to make it illegal to sell bottled water in their communities, but this primarily a response to how much these empties add to the landfill.

 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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Informing people of the consequences of their consumption is one thing. Making a normative statement such as "not a good use of money, oil, or landfill" is something else altogether. If filling up landfills with cast off plastic bottles is horribly bad, the markets would promptly adjust to reflect that fact (unless you want to bring Pigou and conspiracy theories into the discussion).
 
Written By: skh.pcola
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Informing people of the consequences of their consumption is one thing. Making a normative statement such as "not a good use of money, oil, or landfill" is something else altogether.
Filling landfills, wasting money, and wasting oil ARE the consequences of using bottled water.

Nothing I could say steps beyond the bounds of respecting liberty, as long as I don’t attempt to disallow people from being able to choose bottled water if they so desire.

I could scream from the rooftops that people who use bottled water are the spawn of satan, and I would just be exercising MY freedom, as long as I don’t do it after 8 PM on a weeknight in accordance with municipal noice ordinances.


Something else altogether you say? My opinions stretch beyond some acceptable speech allowance that you determine?

I see that no one has a single argument in favor of using bottled water when quality filtered tap water is available.

Sounds to me like no one actually disagrees with the message, they just don’t like the messengers, and interestingly, they don’t seem to care much for the people the message intended for.

Good stuff




 
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