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More fun than I Thought
Posted by: Dale Franks on Wednesday, February 20, 2008

You know all that talk about pledged convention delegates for democratic Presidential nominees, and how Obama has more than Clinton? Well, so what?
The notion that pledged delegates must vote for a certain candidate is, according to the Democratic National Committee, a "myth."

"Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the convention or on the first ballot,” a recent DNC memo states. “A delegate goes to the convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the convention, while it is assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required."
But wait, it gets better. Roger Simon writes:
Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign intends to go after delegates whom Barack Obama has already won in the caucuses and primaries if she needs them to win the nomination.

This strategy was confirmed to me by a high-ranking Clinton official on Monday. And I am not talking about superdelegates, those 795 party big shots who are not pledged to anybody. I am talking about getting pledged delegates to switch sides...

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer told me Monday he assumes the Obama campaign is going after delegates pledged to Clinton, though a senior Obama aide told me he knew of no such strategy.

But one neutral Democratic operative said to me: "If you are Hillary Clinton, you know you can’t get the nomination just with superdelegates without splitting the party. You have to go after the pledged delegates"...

f, however, after the April 22 Pennsylvania primary the pledged delegate count looks very close, the Clinton official said, "[both] sides will start working all delegates."

In other words, Clinton and Obama will have to go after every delegate who is alive and breathing.
This going to be delicious. This is shaping up to be a worse fiasco than Chicago in '68.

(Hat tip: Emailer "Joel C")
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I know... I wish they had Pay-per-View subscriptions for the Dem’s convention... It’s going to turn into a deathmatch...
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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you wont need to. All this is free-o-charge.
Written By: Joel C.
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If Obama continues to run away from Hillary, as in Wisconsin, I doubt such scenarios arise. I must say, though, that I didn’t realize the Democratic primary process is so broken.
Written By: huxley
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we have to see what happens in Texas and Ohio first. If she can firewall, then we just sit back, grab a couple of cold ones, and watch the fireworks.
Written By: Joel C.
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From Hillary’s point of view, it’s all or nothing. She might as well push everything she’s got into the pot, because if she doesn’t make it this year when she was supposedly inevitable, then her chances in any future year are bad indeed.

She isn’t worried about any side effects for the Democratic Party. When have the Clintons ever worried about that? The party went from dominance in Congress to minority status in the first two years of Bill’s term, and a majority of governorships to a minority during Bill’s term. Yet Bill is still the senior stateman, gets scads of attention, portrayed as the "first black president", ad nauseum. So the Clintons don’t necessarily see a connection between their fortunes and the party’s fortunes.

I rather doubt that Hillary will have any more concerns for the party than Bill did, so pulling out all the stops to get the nomination is entirely in character.
Written By: Billy Hollis
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A thought occurred to me yesterday that the big campaign donation totals rung up by Hillary and Obama may not help them much in the general election, because they’re forced to spend a great deal of the money in the primaries.
Written By: Steverino
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All this, as McCain has already started attacking Obama.....oh my
Written By: shark
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I rather doubt that Hillary will have any more concerns for the party than Bill did, so pulling out all the stops to get the nomination is entirely in character.
It is that, though it’s looking less and less like she can do anything at all to stop the Obama bandwagon that’s about to run her over. If she does somehow manage to wrest the nomination away from him, does this Obama-as-Independent scenario seem too far-fetched?

Whatever way this all goes, it is really-more time to lay in plenty of popcorn and a few coolers full of your favorite beverage. And a barf-bag too of course, for McCain’s eventual coronation day.
Written By: Linda Morgan
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Oops. I meant to highlight the interesting bit from the above-linked article:
The word on the street is that the Obama campaign and New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg have already met and devised an incredible plan if Clinton wins the nominee.

Mayor Bloomberg would give nearly $1 billion to Obama’s campaign after which Obama would bolt from the Democratic Party and run as an Independent candidate with king-maker Bloomberg as his running mate. The Obama campaign realizes that Obama is too new at this game and doesn’t have the political weight of the Clintons to bring in the true heavy-hitters of the party’s hierarchy. So, according to sources it was Bloomberg himself who suggested this cunning strategy.

Written By: Linda Morgan
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Linda, that is indeed fascinating, but it sounds pretty far-fetched to me. Bloomberg fantasizing, perhaps. Obama’s young; he’s got lots more chances if Hillary somehow manages to snatch the nomination from him this year.

But if it did happen, oh, what fun it would be to watch...
Written By: Billy Hollis
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I had heard in the past that a delegate didn’t have too vote for the person they were pledged too; they could vote for anyone. But I never considered the ramifications, mostly because there hasn’t been a race this close in my lifetime. SOmeone could literally buy their way to the nomination.

Think about it. Let’s say that Texas and Ohio and the rest of the states left are "firewally" [nice, Dale!] enough to keep her in it, forcing the decision to go Denver. What’s to keep her from outright bribing someone? I can’t imagine that all the delegates are so rich that a few hundred thousand couldn’t buy them off. Or what about blackmail? I’d imagine they’ve already got stuff on super-delegates that they’d never want known. Given some time, I’d bet the Clinton machine could and would pull it off. And what’s to stop them? Morals? Ethics? Fear of prosecution? Please. When’s that stopped them before?

From a delegates perspective (or a Democrats perspective) what do they lose? From reading different lefty sites and articles that aren’t rabidly Clinton or rabidly Obama, most think these two are a wealth of candidate riches, and that they’ve darn near have the presidency sewn up with either of them. So why not make a little something for yourself, and soothe a not really guilty conscious with a nice trip to Europe? And if they’re careful and keep quiet, who’s to know?

It makes for some enormously delicious fireworks at the Democratic convention, but that thought does make me fear for my country. Does anyone know if it’s the same delegate situation for the Republicans?
Written By: Warrior Needs Food Badly
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He is, as they used to say, tanned, rested and ready; I am sure AlGore will be attending the convention. Just in case. And who is that I see flitting about in the shadows, telling all the delegates he is reporting for duty? I’ll bet Jimmy Carter shows up, too (he is still eligible , you know).

Will the next Democratic candidate be selected, not elected? Who counts the delegate votes and how do they do it?
Written By: timactual
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I am sure AlGore will be attending the convention.
expect record cold temperatures then.
Written By: capt joe
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"expect record cold temperatures then."

Counterbalanced by the heartwarming reception he will no doubt receive.

Written By: timactual
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If I were Obama I would be very careful flying, potential Clinton problems/obstacles have a way of coming to ground.
Written By: Jay
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Obama’s young; he’s got lots more chances if Hillary somehow manages to snatch the nomination from him this year.
Stepping aside graciously and awaiting his fortunes in the coming years would certainly be the seemly thing to do. But I wonder whether the Obama 2008 Express and all aboard could be so easily stopped at this point — even if it were diverted from the Democratic Party tracks. The Bloomberg connection does sound lunatic — but also frankly unnecessary from a funding and/or clout point of view. I think it’s just wild that people are even talking about an independent run, and hilarious that Hillary might have to worry about such as possible backlash if she strikes hard enough to get her way.
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