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How do you define "special interests" and "lobbyist"?
Posted by: McQ on Monday, February 25, 2008

Mr. Obama is sure to again remind us that he's not beholden to special interests or corporate lobbyists and they aren't running his campaign.

But, as Marc Ambinder's points out, that all depends on what you include under the umbrella of "special interest" or "lobbyist" doesn't it? Obviously the SEIU isn't a "corporate lobbyist", but you tell me, are they pouring this amount of money into Texas and Ohio because they don't seek something from an Obama win?
According to independent expenditure notices filed with the Federal Election Commission, the Service Employees International Union plans to spend more than $700,000 over the next week to help Barack Obama in Texas and Ohio.

Additionally, the union's powerful local 1199, based in New York, will spend nearly $200,000 more to pay the salaries of SEIU members who will volunteer on Obama's behalf.

Local 1199's federal PAC is spending $75,000 to pay salaries and per diems of its members who're working for Obama in Texas. 1199 is sending $106,600 worth of employees to Ohio.

The SEIU's Committee on Political Education (COPE) filed notice yesterday that it would spent approximately $300,000 on door-to-door canvassing and $400,000 on direct mail in Ohio.
 
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pay the salaries of SEIU members who will volunteer
Haven’t heard about paid volunteers since the Volunteer Summit Colin Powell attended a while back.
 
Written By: Neo
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Nice, but no mention at all of John “the only one the special interests don’t give any money to" McCain?
 
Written By: Retief
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This is about Obama’s claims retief. Why is it you always have to try to deflect instead of engage something head on?
 
Written By: McQ
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This is about Obama’s claims retief.
Of course it is. The New York Times and the Washington Post come out with a big piece on favors McCain did for lobbyists (with bonus possible salaciousness) to which he responds with ridiculous blanket denials like the quote above. And you decide this is a good time for two posts about Obama’s donors and ties to "special interests". Who’s deflecting again?

If you want to start a fight about who is more special-interested-up go look at who is driving the straight talk express and reconsider. Besides, doesn’t everyone know that "special interests" are only those emisguided groups supporting one’s opponent? One’s own supporters are "concerned constituents" or "stakeholders".
 
Written By: Retief
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Of course it is. The New York Times and the Washington Post come out with a big piece on favors McCain did for lobbyists (with bonus possible salaciousness)
Which we didn’t cover at all. Nope. Not at all because the walking orders from Karl Rove were clear ’ignore the McCain story’.

Jeez retief - answer the friggin’ question -
Additionally, the union’s powerful local 1199, based in New York, will spend nearly $200,000 more to pay the salaries of SEIU members who will volunteer on Obama’s behalf.

Local 1199’s federal PAC is spending $75,000 to pay salaries and per diems of its members who’re working for Obama in Texas. 1199 is sending $106,600 worth of employees to Ohio.

The SEIU’s Committee on Political Education (COPE) filed notice yesterday that it would spent approximately $300,000 on door-to-door canvassing and $400,000 on direct mail in Ohio.
The union is ultimately going to lay down over $1 million on Obama’s behalf. And you divert and bring up McCain. WTF?
 
Written By: meagain
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I personally can’t wait to see the bitterness of the Obama sheep when their messiah is revealed to be less "change change change" and more "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

 
Written By: shark
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Of course it is. The New York Times and the Washington Post come out with a big piece on favors McCain did for lobbyists (with bonus possible salaciousness) to which he responds with ridiculous blanket denials like the quote above. And you decide this is a good time for two posts about Obama’s donors and ties to "special interests". Who’s deflecting again?
Bless your little heart, I didn’t realize you were the fairness police or were keeping count. Of course, as is par for the course, you forgot to mention that I said this about the McCain story:
Look at the difference between the Washington Post coverage of the same story and that of the NYT. Somehow they managed to make the same points without the rumor and innuendo of an affair.
So obviously I had no problem with their points about McCain and lobbyists, did I?
If you want to start a fight about who is more special-interested-up go look at who is driving the straight talk express and reconsider.
I’m not interested in starting a fight - obviously that’s your gig. I’m simply pointing out that the man who says he isn’t beholden to special interests is in fact beholden to them just like every other politician. And yes that would include McCain. It is also something you’ve attempted to deflect rather than refute.

So, in the face of the facts in the post tell me Obama isn’t beholden to special interests (the subject of the post) - please.
 
Written By: McQ
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So, in the face of the facts in the post tell me Obama isn’t beholden to special interests (the subject of the post) - please.
Obama isn’t beholden to special interests.
 
Written By: Is
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Obama isn’t beholden to special interests.
LOL! See, that just makes anyone who would claim that look foolish.
 
Written By: McQ
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I’m simply pointing out that the man who says he isn’t beholden to special interests is in fact beholden to them just like every other politician. And yes that would include McCain. It is also something you’ve attempted to deflect rather than refute.
I don’t need to refute it. It is a banality. You’re right. Obama is a politician. Happy? Now shall we compare him to an imaginary political Sir Galahad who has neither any need to raise money nor anybody other group spending their own on his behalf, or shall we compare him to his actual opponent, who is much more beholden, as we consider the influence of those insidious special interests? When he says "they aren’t running his campaign" it is not in a vacuum. His campaign manager isn’t Rick Davis, lobbyist.

Besides, shouldn’t you be celebrating the inalienable first amendment right of people to spend their money as they please to secure their prefered political outcomes?
 
Written By: Retief
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I don’t need to refute it. It is a banality. You’re right. Obama is a politician. Happy?
IOW, like all politicians, he’s full of it and himself and is accepting help from special interests despite his claims otherwise.

Yeah, I’m happy - you’ve validated the point of the post, reluctantly, but fairly well.

Thanks.
 
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