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NY City Council - looking out for your health
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, February 28, 2008

First they banned transfats "for your health". Now Now they've decided what constitutes proper trade by restricting it, "for your health".
New York's City Council has passed a bill to issue 1,000 new permits for street vendors to sell fruits and vegetables in neighborhoods where fresh produce is scarce.

The council voted 37-9 on Wednesday to issue the permits, which will be distributed among the five boroughs in neighborhoods where at least 15 percent of people surveyed said they had eaten no fruits or vegetables the previous 24 hours.

Department of Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden (FREE'-duhn) says the aim of the program will be to introduce fresh produce back into neighborhoods where diabetes and obesity rates have skyrocketed.
Seems they're bound and determined to pass any law and make any restriction they deem necessary 'for your health'. And this is without the leverage of universal health-care.

UPDATE: I'm not sure why the link isn't working (I've recopied it a number of times), but if you'll go here, it's the 5th link down.
 
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The link is erroring out, so I’m reduced to speculation.

Isn’t street vending without a permit already unlawful in NYC?

Thus, the restriction is not "for your health", but for whatever (probably asinine) reason they had to originally restrict it.

What’s "for your health" here is the arbitrary and limited loosening of that restriction in favour of these particular merchants.

A distinction with very little effective difference, but there is one.
 
Written By: Sigivald
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Actually, I’m not sure they’re restricting trade so much as increasing (or creating) a class of permits for fruit/veggie peddlers. I’m not under the impression that NYC is going to replace dirtwater dog vendors with produce vendors. (If so, feel free to correct me please)

I actually have no problem with it - allows more choice to consumers, allows more people to sell items to the public.
 
Written By: shark
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As a New Yorker, I think it’s a plus. On the surface
Although NYC is quite the nanny state. There are rolling Fruit and Veg stands in upscale neighborhoods, I think it’s a great idea to encourage enterprising merchants.

I have to wonder what the store owners say about having to pay their property taxes though, when somebody’s allowed to set up shop right in front of them.

 
Written By: GeorgeW
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Why should they decide what must be on the cart? The point here is you can’t trade without a permit, and permits are limited, so they’re telling at least a 1000 permit holders what they must sell.

Frankly I have a problem with the permits to begin with, but then when you decide what must be sold, even less liberty.
I actually have no problem with it - allows more choice to consumers, allows more people to sell items to the public.
None of the government’s business unless the seller is perpetrating force or faud.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
None of the government’s business unless the seller is perpetrating force or faud.
It’s the govt’s business when you need them to issue a permit to sell on the street

 
Written By: shark
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so they’re telling at least a 1000 permit holders what they must sell.
Not quite....they’re issuing 1000 permits to applicants who want to sell that product. Nobody is forced to sell veggies they don’t want. (Different way to view the matter)
 
Written By: shark
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It’s the govt’s business when you need them to issue a permit to sell on the street.
You don’t "need" them to issue permits to sell. It’s a job they’ve taken by force of law.
Not quite....they’re issuing 1000 permits to applicants who want to sell that product.
And they’re denying permits to another 1000 who might want to sell something else.
 
Written By: McQ
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I have to wonder what the store owners say about having to pay their property taxes though, when somebody’s allowed to set up shop right in front of them.
The fifth article in the queue when I counted down a few minutes ago wasn’t the one McQ quoted, but I didn’t realize that and read it anyway, including this bit:
Sung Soo Kim of the Korean-American Small Business Service Center of New York spoke on behalf of many of the city’s 1,400 Korean-owned green groceries. His wife, Sunny Kim, told Spectator in an interview: “It’s unfair. They [vendors] don’t pay rent, they don’t pay taxes. They can lower their prices, but supermarkets, who pay rent and pay taxes, cannot.”
As to the plausibility of the green cart initiative improving nutrition in the targeted areas, she adds:
“That’s BS,” Sunny Kim said. “If they want to improve their nutrition, they can go to nearby supermarkets. There are fruits and vegetables all over New York City.”
But Frieden and his ilk won’t stop their meddling until everyone actually buys and eats them. Or else.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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OK, so let me see if I’ve got this straight: bodega owners don’t carry fruits and vegetables because they’re not as profitable as things like cigarettes. Demand for fruits and vegetables therefore goes unsatisfied. NYC wants to increase street vending of fruits and vegetables in these areas. Other than the fact that the city is involved in issuing permits for all this and "public health" people are making the decisions, which they would be anyway, where’s the downside?
 
Written By: Wacky Hermit
URL: http://organicbabyfarm.blogspot.com
The link you posted converted a double dash to a long dash, which then is listed as %E2%80%94 after actually trying to follow the link. I believe word does that, and after previewing this comment so does this editor. It shouldn’t do that.
 
Written By: Phlinn
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bodega owners don’t carry fruits and vegetables because they’re not as profitable as things like cigarettes. Demand for fruits and vegetables therefore goes unsatisfied.
The fact that fruits and veggies aren’t profitable enough for the bodega owners to bother with indicates that the demand for them in their neighborhoods is low.

The public health people aren’t interested in addressing unsatisfied demand; they’re hoping inanely to create demand by increasing supply and they’re doing this because they believe that people who live in neighborhoods with high rates of obesity should eat more fruits and veggies.

Note that their green cart permits will not allow the vendors to sell anything but fruits and veggies. How long before public health people forbid bodega owners in targeted areas (mostly Harlem) to sell Cheetos and grape sodas — at least not in packs and cans that aren’t tax-stamped like those ciggies?

More: The entire premise — that you can make fat people skinnier and healthier by moving the points at which they may buy apples and cucumbers closer to their homes — is just nuts. The plan’s only chance of working is for Bloomberg and Frieden to require the new permit holders to chase after fat New Yorkers with their carts so as to make them get a bit of exercise. Who knows but what that’s not next?
 
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