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Gun owner defends family
Posted by: McQ on Friday, February 29, 2008

And for your "citizen defends family thanks to his 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms" I give you this:
A man was shot and killed by a homeowner Thursday night after police said he and two others broke into a South Side home.

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The home invasion occurred in the 5800 block of Sanderling Drive in Littletown around 9 p.m when the three men forced their way into a residence where a 29-year-old man and his daughter, 2, were inside, said Sgt. Fabian Pacheco, a Tucson Police Department spokesman.

The homeowner was shot once in the arm by one of the intruders, and he returned fire, killing one, Pacheco said.
All three men ran out of the home, but the wounded man did not make it off of the property, Pacheco said. He was found dead there by police.

The homeowner, who called 911, locked himself and his daughter in a bathroom until officers arrived, Pacheco said.
Good for him. He protected his and his daughter's life. Given the robbers were armed, it is certainly not at all clear either would have survived had they been unarmed.

My only advice to the homeowner is get patched up and hit the range. 1 out of 3 can be improved upon.
 
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Bah. For home defense, nothing beats a 12 gage loaded with 00 Buck. In fact, the CHA-CHUNK sound of chambering said buckshot quite often negates the need to actually fire it.

The pistol on my hip is just to provide cover while I get it.
 
Written By: Robb Allen
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Maybe only one of them presented himself as a target... Might not be his fault he only got one...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Well folks,

This is just a matter of opinion but a buckshot loaded 12 gauge is much too big a self/family defense weapon in a home.

I’m personally in favor of a "locked and loaded" 9mm semi-auto pistol in the bedroom. Realistically, a 9mm kurz/380acp high quality semi like the SIG P232 is the best choice as it also makes a fine concealed carry weapon if you’re licenced. Use frangible loads to avoid inadvertent injuries to the extent possilbe.

Remember, the kind of confrontation we’re talking about takes less than a minute to make a response decision and the target range is normally no more that 20 to 30 feet.

If you’re concerned about unauthorized access (children)to the weapon buy a "Biobox" which can be put in a drawer and normally can only be accessed by a biometric fingerprint swipe which takes about 2 seconds to open the box.

The gun will cost about $700 with 2 mags. The Biobox about $250. Inexpensive heath insurance imho. Because the gun is SS, unless fired, cleaning once a year is sufficient. I’ve owned one for about 10 years and it’s the finest small semi in the world imho. Ask the FBI what they think.
 
Written By: RiverRat
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Opinion on what’s best for HD varies, but .380 ACP doesn’t cut it. In handguns, I’d go for no less than 9 mm Parabellum, using quality modern JHPs like Ranger T, Federal HST, or Gold Dots. My preference in handguns, however, is .45 ACP using those same types of ammo.

The .380 ACP doesn’t have sufficient penetration when using expanding bullets (yes, ask the FBI). When using FMJ, the .380 makes tiny wound channels.

 
Written By: Don
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Personally, I would love a .45 acp chambered Sig...

But any Sig would make me happy. Fine, fine guns they is.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Bah. For home defense, nothing beats a 12 gage loaded with 00 Buck. In fact, the CHA-CHUNK sound of chambering said buckshot quite often negates the need to actually fire it.
Some argue that a good 5.56 mm carbine is better, others opt for handguns. Frankly, either a shotgun or carbine is fine as long as you remain static. The handgun has some advantage for house clearing, but for an individual houseclearing isn’t a good tactic, anyway . . .

The idea that cycling a shotgun will scare that bad guys is a common idea, but I don’t think it has any facts to back it up . . .

In any case, a weapon light is a very, very good idea . . .
 
Written By: Don
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Don, do personal experience count?

Long ago, in the days of my yoot in semi-rural AL, a friend and I were at his house late one night. His dog started fussing, so he looked out the window and saw a "gentleman" prowling around in the bushes. Well, he took the 12 ga and I took the .357, and we slipped out the back door. When he racked the slide on that 12 ga, said prowler turned into a statue until the cops got there.

Turned out he had a record as a peeper, and Chris’ next door neighbor had two teenage daughters.....
 
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I dunno Don... If I heard a shell being chambered behind me (or even infront of me), I would likely drop a steaming load in my pants.

While I will likely end up with a Sig (I need to track down a dealer in the general area, I fear I’ll have to head to Chicago or STL), there’s a great 12-gauge with a pistol grip made for home defense specifically. Short, easy to move around in small rooms, and leaves a hole the size of your head in whoever you hit...

It’s hard to argue with that...

Currently my dad’s 9mm S&W is in the general area of my bed (not saying exactly where), since he often is on trips to China or spending the night at one of his girlfriend’s house. It’s not that it isn’t a good weapon, because it is. But holding a S&W that isn’t a revolver just seems wrong to me...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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The pistol on my hip is just to provide cover while I get it.
You wear a pistol on your hip in your home?
This is just a matter of opinion but a buckshot loaded 12 gauge is much too big a self/family defense weapon in a home.
For a house with only adults, a shotgun is a great choice, but it is too big to have handy in a house with kids.

The biometric gunsafes are nice, and even some of the combination locks are very easy to use. I have a .45 Single Action Army Revolver in my nightstand with a combination gunsafe that I can open in less than 4 seconds. I like the .45 long because adrenaline or narcotics won’t keep a person in action after he has an exit wound the size of a grapefruit in his back. That’s an occasional problem with 9mm’s. Plus, I just love shooting the thing. Of course if I have to reload, I’m in trouble, but then again, if I have more than 6 rounds of trespassers in my house, it’s probably the government.


 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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SDN: When he racked the slide on that 12 ga, said prowler turned into a statue until the cops got there.
Scott Jacobs: I dunno Don... If I heard a shell being chambered behind me (or even infront of me), I would likely drop a steaming load in my pants.
Sure, it can work, but the general consensus among tactical types seems to be that it’s a bad idea. I think the point is, if he’s not dangerous it might work, but if he really dangerous it won’t, and you are just giving him an idea where you are and how you are armed.
I like the .45 long because adrenaline or narcotics won’t keep a person in action after he has an exit wound the size of a grapefruit in his back. That’s an occasional problem with 9mm’s.
One of the best 9mms is Ranger T. There are several Ranger T 9mm loads, and all are good, but the 147 gr RA9T penetrates about 13 inches of muscle tissue and reliably expands to around 0.60" diameter (and SDPD has had excellent success with this round). I don’t know if there are any .45 Long loads as good; certainly the .45 ACP has some better loads than anything in 9mm, but the premium bullets with the high tech behind them tend to fit in 9mm, .40, or .45 ACP pistols.

If you rely upon whatever is on sale at Wal Mart, 9 mm isn’t a good choice, but with the best JHPs designed for LEO use, 9mm is quite effective. However, it is hard finding the premium stuff: you can find Speer Gold Dots, but Ranger T and Federal HST are pretty much limted to LEO distributers, they are legal for civilians, but the manufacturers try to restrict them . . .
 
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Captain, one thing you could do is buy some .45 Gold Dots (Speer), and reload them in the .45 Colt for .45 ACP velocities. Doubletap probably alreadly loads them in .45 Long, but they tend to push their loads beyond the design velocities of the bullet, not a good idea IMO . . .

As far as 6 being enough, well, I’d rather have more, but keep in mind in such an encounter you are quickly running out of time, most shootings are at less than 7 yards, and as a benchmark a fit male can cover 7 yards in ~1.5 seconds. Point being, you likely won’t have the time for a 15 shot magazine in most cases . . .
 
Written By: Don
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one thing you could do is buy some .45 Gold Dots (Speer),
The new flying ashtray, 250 grain, guaranteed to make a big mess, in a good way (for the shooter), not so good for the shootee or the maid.

 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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This is just a matter of opinion but a buckshot loaded 12 gauge is much too big a self/family defense weapon in a home.

I have to go with the .45 people. I have a 9mm, and it’s good for nice tight shot grouping, but in a pinch I am a lazy sod, and with a .45 you rarely have to do the same job twice.
 
Written By: The Gonzman
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"That’s an occasional problem with 9mm’s."
Hit him again. Keep hittin’ him.

(Beretta 92FS, 147 gr. Hydra-Shok, 15-round mags.)
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Hit him again. Keep hittin’ him.
And then there’s camping... 9mm’s just annoy bears.
 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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The SKS makes a nice handy camp rifle.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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but then again, if I have more than 6 rounds of trespassers in my house, it’s probably the government.
Cap, sometimes you just spit the truth ;-)

I prefer a pistol gripped 12 gauge with a short barrel - loaded up with #9 birdshot. Makes a mess of whatever it hits, but doesn’t go through walls. Oh, and .45 on my hip for clean up.
 
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