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This creeps me out
Posted by: Billy Hollis on Monday, March 03, 2008

This video is not from the Obama campaign.



However, I'd bet you won't see independent supporters of John McCain making a video that features swooning zombies chanting his name. Unless it's a parody, I mean.

Folks, we are electing a president, not a messiah. The people in this video apparently believe the world is run by magic and you can somehow create exactly the world you want just by commanding it into place.

That's scary. It's the attitude of which authoritarian regimes are made.

Has our citizenry lost the independence of spirit that made this country special? How much of our voting population believes in the modern equivalent of medieval superstition: chanting for "change" and "protecting the environment" as if that's all it takes to make the world an ideal place?

I've said before that I do not intend to vote for McCain. I fear him too, because he has a "great man" complex and if he is elected, I fear there will be no effective opposition in Congress to whatever grand government programs he decides are some kind of historical imperative.

But if Obama's campaign keeps getting creepier, it might start looking like an even bigger threat.

There's one other aspect I'm wondering about. I've said before that the left in this country has lost its hold on reality. It's not hard to see: from the 9/11 conspirazoids to Michelle Obama's utterly incomprehensible view of American business, you can pick out any number of different degrees of separation from reality in today's left.

If Obama is elected, the reality will not match the mystical dreams of his leftist supporters. His grand designs will be opposed by a mostly-Republican coterie in Congress.

I have no idea what the left will do then, but if their apoplexy at George Bush is anything to judge by, it won't be pretty.

(Found via Ann Althouse)
 
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You’re just a racist because they speak Spanish in the video.
 
Written By: JWG
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This is the future America.

The one in which the language is not one you understand.

The one in which we celebrate in song and not in fact.

The one in which we live in dream and not in real life.

The nation of movie star leaders.

Change- for the sake of change.
 
Written By: drjohn
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I’ve been seeing Obama being equated to having some kind of cult personality for the past few weeks.
What you and others are basically charging is that Obama is Thulsa Doom…
Thulsa Doom: Yes! You know what it is, don’t you boy? Shall I tell you? It’s the least I can do. Steel isn’t strong, boy, flesh is stronger! Look around you. There, on the rocks; a beautiful girl. Come to me, my child...
Thulsa Doom: [coaxes the girl to jump to her death]
Thulsa Doom: That is strength, boy! That is power! What is steel compared to the hand that wields it? Look at the strength in your body, the desire in your heart, I gave you this! Such a waste. Contemplate this on the tree of woe. Crucify him!
For you say this,
That’s scary. It’s the attitude of which authoritarian regimes are made.

But if Obama’s campaign keeps getting creepier, it might start looking like an even bigger threat.
But before that, you admitted…
This video is not from the Obama campaign.
So is it Obama or his campaign that creeps you out, or just some of his more vocal supporters?
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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So is it Obama or his campaign that creeps you out, or just some of his more vocal supporters?
Where did the "change" mantra start, Pogue? With Obama himself. It’s become a running joke of his campaign. His more vocal supporters are merely taking it a bit further.

The women passing out at campaign events, and Obama’s standard "caring" response bespeaks that the line between those the campaign and those "more vocal supporters" is fuzzier than many would like to admit. And Michelle Obama’s antics are a part of his campaign, as far as I’m concerned. She creeps me out a bit too.

I’ll grant you that if Obama came out and said, "Look, folks, I can’t do magic. Stop with the incantations, and let’s get down to the serious work of figuring out which policies will benefit America." then I would give him a pass for his supporters acting like superstitious children. But I’ll bet we’re a long way from seeing that, based on his unwillingness to put any details of what he would actually do on the table so far.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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What you and others are basically charging is that Obama is Thulsa Doom…
Yes, it does have that kinda creepiness now that you mention it.

So Arnold should run against Obama? ;)
 
Written By: capt joe
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You’re just a racist because they speak Spanish in the video.

What a stupid, stupid comment. My mom & dad speak Spanish, my grandparents spoke primarily Spanish and my great-grandparents spoke no English. I think the video is stupid, childish and condescending. I believe that your comments are perfectly emblematic of the loser "victim" mentality that leads to dependence and disappointment in "our" people (I’m Mexican - I’m guessing you’re not).

This is not the fifties; the man is not holding you down, your loser mentality is. If you want to know how the Democrats really feel about empowering Hispanics, just ask Manuel Estrada or Alberto Gonzales.

Stop being such a lambion.
 
Written By: Mack
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What a stupid, stupid comment
Dude, you must not read the comments section around here much — it was a joke.
 
Written By: JWG
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Sorry - too much blood in my caffeine system. Mack
 
Written By: Mack
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Where did the "change" mantra start, Pogue? With Obama himself.
Thulsa Doom: There, on the rocks; a beautiful girl. Come to me, my child...
His more vocal supporters are merely taking it a bit further.
[the girl to jumps to her death]

I get it. What leads supporters of politicians to behave like cult followers is beyond me.
I felt the same confusion when supporters of Bush were holding up sandals and chanting: flip, flop – flip, flop.

Weird.

But I don’t know if I can blame Obama for the enthusiasm of his supporters. I remember the days whenever I used to enter a room, people were chanting my name and girls were fainting all over the place.
Good times. Good times.

And I didn’t calm them down saying, “Okay, okay… Now let’s just settle down and talk about how The Pogue can make you happy.”

Never thought of myself as Thulsa Doom. ;)

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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The Democrats spent, what, two decades arguing that "Morning in America" was devoid of any content, merely showing how vacuous and inane Reagan’s campaign was, and they couldn’t believe how we all bought this crap and elected him. Now the Democrats have embraced the enemy, become the Republicans.

And the Republicans spent decades talking about fiscal responsibility and adherence to the Constitution and being morally fit to lead, above corruption. They compared the Democrats against these qualities, and found them wanting, and let’s not even get into the derangement when Clinton was in office. And then they nominated John McCain: they have embraced the enemy, become the Democrats.

Frankly, both of our major parties have passed the point where they are fit to lead. You want real change: start voting in droves for third parties, until the major parties either get it and fix their problems, or die off as valid political brands. Anything less is window dressing.

 
Written By: Jeff Medcalf
URL: http://www.caerdroia.org/blog
Just because we haven’t seen a politician as electric as the ones our parents dealt with in the 60’s (the Kult of Kennedy) doesn’t mean we should suddenly freak out over Obama’s appeal to some folks.

There’s always going to be people who are going to over-react and swoon.
That doesn’t mean there are enough of them to make a difference, it just means there are enough of them to show up on camera, and since it’s exactly that sort of thing the camera eye is looking for...I ain’t worried about it.

There’s no impending doom in any of this.


 
Written By: looker
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My morning paper, owned by the Tribune, ran this opinion piece today. Here’s an excerpt:
As American citizens, we want and need a sense of security, hope, a desire for a better future for our grandchildren and children, more money in our paychecks and retirements, fair market prices for housing, a good public education system, a reasonable living wage, affordable health care, a renewal of American manufacturing and job creation at home.
People are expecting grandiose and frankly unrealistic results from an Obama presidency, and the willingness to believe that the president either can or should have such far-reaching powers borders on terrifying.
 
Written By: InebriatedArsonist
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My morning paper, owned by the Tribune, ran this opinion piece today. Here’s an excerpt:
As American citizens, we want and need a sense of security, hope, a desire for a better future for our grandchildren and children, more money in our paychecks and retirements, fair market prices for housing, a good public education system, a reasonable living wage, affordable health care, a renewal of American manufacturing and job creation at home.
People are expecting grandiose and frankly unrealistic results from an Obama presidency, and the willingness to believe that the president either can or should have such far-reaching powers borders on terrifying.
 
Written By: InebriatedArsonist
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There may be no impending doom looker, but it sure does send a chill up my spine (in a BAD way). Listening to that vid, I remembered some of the chanting I used to do for my favorite band to come back out and play one more song. Doing it for a presidential candidate? Frightening.
 
Written By: meagain
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"So is it Obama or his campaign that creeps you out, or just some of his more vocal supporters?"
Both.

The whole thing reminds me of Greg Stillson from Stephen King’s "The Dead Zone".
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
"Folks, we are electing a president, not a messiah."

Obviously, you speak only for yourself.

"You’re just a racist because they speak Spanish in the video."

Interestingly, English and Spanish were the only languages used. In my area, Korean, Farsi, and some Indian/south Asian dialect(s) can be heard on a daily basis. I also noted the lack of Oriental faces in the video. Official diversity evidently need only extend as far as black, English-speaking white, and hispanic.

"There’s always going to be people who are going to over-react and swoon."

Ya know, I don’t recall that happening for Tricky Dick, Hubert Horatio, or even the sainted Jimmah.

Maybe that video isn’t as creepy as it seemed. I thought I recognized George Lopez, a comedian. Perhaps it was a parody?
*sigh*
Na, just another Hollywood left-wing loon heard from.
 
Written By: timactual
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"Has our citizenry lost the independence of spirit that made this country special? "

Yes. For the most part, it has. I’m definitely in the minority, so our my views.
 
Written By: Robb Allen
URL: http://blog.robballen.com
"So is it Obama or his campaign that creeps you out, or just some of his more vocal supporters?"

"Both."

Absolutely. Sometimes the surfer actually thinks he controls and guides the wave.
 
Written By: timactual
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Is this "True" ?
 
Written By: Neo
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Is this True ?
 
Written By: Neo
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Ya know, I don’t recall that happening for Tricky Dick, Hubert Horatio, or even the sainted Jimmah.
Nor do I, that’s why I had to reach back to the Kennedys for my example.

In my experience doom predictions are way over-valued in the market.

 
Written By: looker
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The whole thing reminds me of Greg Stillson from Stephen King’s "The Dead Zone".
I can see that
 
Written By: capt joe
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When you jettison reason and deify feeling, you can end up being like these kids. (Not to mention Thulsa Doom’s followers. Love that comparison.)
 
Written By: Bilwick
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Neo, Yes I believe that is TRUE - don’t know how many spotted your link in the comment title but it is a very effective ad - one which the McCain Campaign should just archive for use next September. In fact I believe the comments from Obama confirming the statements are from a debate where he was asked that question...

It is I think at the core of whether he is making empty promises... kinda tough to claim you will make change if you haven’t even taken the time to ask the questions needed to gauge that change...

Neo’s link again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l4_jMyV3mY
 
Written By: BIllS
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Does Thulsa Doom happen to have a middle name?
 
Written By: timactual
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PS

What is this ’Server Error in ’/’ Application’ error mesage I keep getting when I hit the ’Add Comment’ button?
 
Written By: timactual
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PS

What is this ’Server Error in ’/’ Application’ error mesage I keep getting when I hit the ’Add Comment’ button?

"The parameter is incorrect.
Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.

Exception Details: System.ArgumentException: The parameter is incorrect."
 
Written By: timactual
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I’m wondering when someone starts passing out little red books of Obama’s sayings.

That video was...well...nice...but when I started thinking a little deeper, I found it as content-free as Obama’s campaign.
 
Written By: Steverino
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I’ve been getting the same error.

Are you giving me a hint? You can tell me straight out — I can take it.
 
Written By: JWG
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I got the error once today too. Maybe Dale forgot to feed the server gerbils, and this is their way of getting his attention.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Where did the "change" mantra start, Pogue? With Obama himself.
The change mantra starts the day the first candidate announces.

All candidates are ostensibly for change, but a lot of people see Obama as actually bringing change as opposed to jsut talking about it.

Do you see any candidates saying, GWB did great, I am just going to keep everything he did?
The Democrats spent, what, two decades arguing that "Morning in America" was devoid of any content, merely showing how vacuous and inane Reagan’s campaign was, and they couldn’t believe how we all bought this crap and elected him. Now the Democrats have embraced the enemy, become the Republicans.
The Democratic party may have done this, but rank and file Democrats were voting for Reagan. They did not vote for him because of his policies, they were contrary to their own policy preferences. They voted for him because they liked him, they liked the way he made them FEEL. Reagan was not great for his policies, though some were very good (some sucked), but he was great for his ability to convince Americans that being an America still meant a lot.

I read a very anti-Reagan blog post, but these two paragraphs struck a chord of truth, especially the message of hope, and people ignoring their own stated policy preferences in deference to the messenger of hope...
While the Republicans are busy vilifying Obama for his inspirational speeches and call him an ’empty suit’ and a perpetrator of the ’Cult of Personality’, they seem to have forgotten about the Ultimate Republican Hero, whom the Repub candidates have practically come to blows over as they each claim to be the ’absolutely most Reagan-y’. John McCain called himself a ’Foot-soldier in the Reagan Revolution’. The basis of Ronald Reagan’s appeal (to both Republicans and the ’Reagan Democrats’) was that, instead of endlessly droning on about the problems we faced as a nation and the unpleasant medicine we’d have to swallow if we wanted things to get better like that grumpy old Jimmy Carter did (gosh, who wants to vote for someone who tells you things you don’t want to hear? Conserving energy? Turning down our thermostats? Yuck!), Reagan burst forth like sunshine from behind a cloud and pooh-poohed away all those worries with a dismissive wave of his hand as he told Americans not to believe their lying eyes or their dwindling bankbooks, but to cheer up; because we were the Best Nation Ever™, and to say otherwise was tantamount to treason.

And who didn’t want to believe him? Americans were tired of sacrifice and penny-pinching, inflation and gas lines, hostages and humiliation. So when Reagan promised that he was going to wipe the slate clean and make Americans proud once more, he held out something that could not be quantified or qualified - he held out hope. He told Americans what they wanted to hear, not what they needed to hear, and his ’feel-good’ rhetoric catapulted him into the White House. His emphasis on supply-side economics (or ’voodoo economics’ as his future VP Bush Senior called it during the race for the nomination), the idea that ’deficits don’t matter’ and complete rollback of the New Deal went unchallenged in the desire to put the ’bad stuff’ behind us.
Cult of personality... you say it like it’s a bad thing.

We’re not post WW2 Germany, and we can turn on our leaders in a heartbeat when they overstep what we believe their bounds should be... Want proof... GWB - 92% to 22%





 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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Yeah, that’s what Reagan did. Then he followed that with policy that made it so. Policy that made sense to people. Policy with real-world implications and effectiveness. Not feel-good policy. Who thinks that about Obama? No one wants to talk policy when it comes to Obama. No, it’s all about feeling good:

"Mommy, I voted for a black man today."
"You are a great American, honey. Gaia bless you."
 
Written By: rob
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"I have no idea what the left will do then, but if their apoplexy at George Bush is anything to judge by, it won’t be pretty."


You make a persuasive argument for voting for Obama
 
Written By: Paden Cash
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We’re not post WW2 Germany, and we can turn on our leaders in a heartbeat when they overstep what we believe their bounds should be... Want proof... GWB - 92% to 22%
I agree we ain’t Germany, but I don’t think GWB’s poll numbers indicate anything about overstepping bounds . . . he was popular well after the invasion, a large part of his poll problem is his failure at communication.
 
Written By: Don
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And who didn’t want to believe him? Americans were tired of sacrifice and penny-pinching, inflation and gas lines, hostages and humiliation.
Too bad Reagan couldn’t do anything about those things . . . the gas lines in the 80’s really sucked . . . ;)
 
Written By: Don
URL: http://
"but he was great for his ability to convince Americans that being an America still meant a lot"

Au contraire, mon frere. He just agreed with most of the rest of us in that respect, which seems to be something most other politicians are reluctant to do. He was just able to convince us that he actually meant it. The left, of course, thinks we are all just ignorant willful children, easily (mis)led, who must be told what to do and when, how, and where to do it. America, according to some on the left, is a jobsite and a problem, not a great nation.
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
"Mommy, I voted for a black man today."
"You are a great American, honey. Gaia bless you."
I am a great American, thank you very much. But I am much more partial to Pan over Gaia. Splitfoot laughs at you.

I agree we ain’t Germany, but I don’t think GWB’s poll numbers indicate anything about overstepping bounds . . . he was popular well after the invasion, a large part of his poll problem is his failure at communication.
LOL.
If his poll problems are relative to his lack of ability to communicate, he would have had piss poor poll numbers well before the invasion.
You think it was the Iraq war that tied his tongue?

Come to me, my child…
Au contraire, mon frere.
Step off, asshat.
Only defeatist, leftist, pinko-commie traitors like me are supposed to use French. Aren’t you late for a clan meeting or something?

Pig.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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"...Pig."

I believe that would be cochon.
And I am never late for meetings.

"You think it was the Iraq war that tied his tongue?"

I have always liked the late Ann Richards’ little bon mot; "he was born with a silver foot in his mouth".

 
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