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Battlespace Preparation: Pastors
Posted by: Jon Henke on Saturday, March 15, 2008

Matt Stoller...
Obama's a good candidate and he should not be held accountable for what his pastor says.  Has Bush or McCain or Kerry or Clinton been held accountable for the speeches of their religious leader?  Of course not.
Stoller peobably sincerely believes that, but it's a triumph of rationalization over memory.

What was it, a month or two ago that the Leftosphere and Media were all worked up about John McCain being endorsed by Hagee? A few months before that, people were asking Giuliani why he would accept Pat Robertson's endorsement after the things Robertson said about, e.g., 9/11.

When people have an ideological or partisan incentive to do so, they can bring themselves to believe some pretty stupid things.
 
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Both parties are the same (or at least have a group who act the same): it all depends on whose ox is getting gorged.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
No, Erb... as you keep proving, each time you open an editor, they decidedly are not.

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
It’s amazing how the left WHINES uncontrollably when the very same rules they make us play under suddenly turn on them and expose them for what they really are.

Obama is a racist, and his "pastor" is a racist, and they got caught out.

Tough sh*t.

 
Written By: shark
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A couple of things made more noticeable by bringing this Wright character into the foreground as plain and perfect evidence that Obama is not the racial reconciliationist that he represents himself as, are:

(1) the degree to which a substantial number of Democrats have come to loathe Hillary Clinton. Granted that Obama’s supporters have painted themselves into a corner, but one gets the sense that a lot of Democrats greet the notion of now turning back to Hillary with trepidation. A few weeks ago you could almost feel the sense of relief when it was thought that she was about to be taken out, especially with the calls by some Democrats for her to quit, and

(2) the utter fear of race that Democrats have, both because they so substantially depend on black voters and because they have so substantially talked themselves into a double-bind on race: pay no attention to that racist preacher in the corner (this message was apparently re-delivered by the preposterous Bill Bradley this morning on Meet the Press).

Democrats demanded the head of Trent Lott for offering a meaningless blandishment to the senescent Strom Thurmond on the occassion of his 100th Birthday, but they are going to pretend that they believe that Barack Obama is "shocked, shocked" that his pastor of 20 years is an America-hating, racist demagogue. "I did not have sex with those particular sermons."

In baseball terms, Obama has been caught trying to steal second, been tagged out in a rundown, but has returned to stand on first base as if nothing happened, while his coaches try to argue with the umpires that they’re crazy and that Obama never left the bag.

Because they put their Party above, far above, the good of the country, Democrats are willing to let a fatally flawed candidate continue in his quest for the presidency because they fear how black voters will react. And so they are instead willing, or so it now seems, to let that Party conflict spill out and become a national racial conflict in the fall, instead of an election. Do they think that the entire country can be bullsh*t on this the way they bullsh*t themselves? Do they realize that this isn’t just a sloppy relationship with a White House intern that they seek to excuse?
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Has Bush or McCain or Kerry or Clinton been held accountable for the speeches of their religious leader? Of course not.
Have any of those four’s religious leaders — and by that I mean spiritual adviser, which is what Obama has stated Wright is — made such hateful speeches? We’re not talking about endorsements from total strangers (or even passing acquaintances) here. Is Guiliani one of Pat Robertson’s parishioners? Does McCain consult with Hagee before he makes any major decisions? No? Then they’re irrelevant to the question.
 
Written By: Achillea
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Another in a long line of hackish posts from Mr. Henke.

McCain has not been serioulsy challenged by the media about Hagee. Anyone paying attention would know that.

This is the best you can do?

And more to the point, Hagee represents the mainstream of the GOP. Wright is an outlier on the left.

Pat Robertson blamed America for 9/11. He placed second in the Iowa caucus in 1988, ahead of Bush 41. Wright blamed America for 9/11. My guess is that he would get .0000001% in Iowa if he ran.

That is the difference between the GOP and the Democrats in a nutshell.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Don’t deal with cause and effect, much, do you mk? Would Pat get .000001% if he ran today, after making such remarks, as opposed to 20 years ago, prior to making them?
 
Written By: SDN
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There is no comparison between the goofiness of Pat Robertson (who I’ll actually give credit to for his suggestion that we plug Hugo Chavez; he got that one right) and the hate-mongering racist Jeremiah Wright.

John Hagee, who I’ve watched more than once, is a melodramatic interpreter of Bible prophecy who has people hooked on watching the Middle East for signs of the end of the world. There is nothing "mainstream GOP" about him.

That John McCain would courteously seek and accept the endorsements of Robertson or Hagee has nothing to do with Barack Obama having as his pastor and mentor the hate-mongering racist Jeremiah Wright.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Wright is an outlier on the left.
Who happens to be Obama’s spiritual advisor, a member of his campaign and a close associate. Birds of a feather....

Did I miss the part where Hagee had a job in McCain’s campaign?
 
Written By: Steverino
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Obama is a racist, and his "pastor" is a racist, and they got caught out.
That’s not how the story is playing out. A good thing about the campaign going as it is, Hillary is going to make sure all the dirt on Obama is out in the open many news cycles before the public really starts paying attention. By October, this will be very old news, just a former pastor who left the campaign after making inflammatory rhetorics which his church claims were twisted as an attempt at character assassination. Old news, many stories and claims...only the political junkies will care.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Oh, it will be "old news"............but the damage will be done.

Your fervent hopes to the contrary
 
Written By: shark
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Boris seems to think that if you receive a fatal blow as a candidate in March that it will somehow be all played out by October.

"Oh, yeah, Ed got nabbed going to that Klan rally last winter; that’s old news."

The only thing that is going to be old about this story, Boris, will be Obama’s denials and excuses as he’s forced to come up with new ones, probably right up until the point where Democratic leaders are forced to tell him to get the hell out of the race. That should be interesting. Especially how he and Michelle react, after consulting with Reverend Wright, of course.

The Clintons certainly aren’t going to let him get off the hook for this. They’ll go down in flames themselves before they let this guy have the nomination. But when he does go, they’ll call it a tragedy and blame it on the "right wing."

That’s what is known as the "accountability society" on the Left.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
There is no comparison between the goofiness of Pat Robertson (who I’ll actually give credit to for his suggestion that we plug Hugo Chavez; he got that one right) and the hate-mongering racist Jeremiah Wright.
Nonsense. Pat Robertson ran for President of the United States of America and beat George Hebert Walker Bush in the Iowa Caucus in 1988. Yes, he beat the future President of the United States of America.

And then Pat Robertson said America was to blame for 9/11.

Jeremiah Wright is someone who has never run for office, and, if he did, would receive about .00000000000001 percent of the vote in Iowa.

’Nuff said.
 
Written By: mkultra
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cretin says:
Pat Robertson ran for President of the United States of America and beat George Hebert Walker Bush in the Iowa Caucus in 1988. Yes, he beat the future President of the United States of America.

And then Pat Robertson said America was to blame for 9/11
Wow, that’s breaking news. Pat Robertson won the Iowa caucus in 1988 and then thirteen years later said something stupid. Let’s get that right into a campaign commercial.
Jeremiah Wright is someone who has never run for office,
Jeremiah Wright is a hate-mongering racist whose church Barack Obama has been attending for 20 years.

Would you feel comfortable if Obama had been a member of Louis Farrakhan’s congregation, because Farrakhan is marginally less offensive these days than Wright? You say it wouldn’t make any difference to you either if Obama went to Farrakhan’s congregation, because Pat Robertson won the Iowa caucuses in 1988?

Yes, yes, it’s all starting to come clear to me now, and the logic is just superb.


 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Jeremiah Wright is someone who has never run for office, and, if he did, would receive about .00000000000001 percent of the vote in Iowa.
Jeremiah Wright, unlike anyone else you mentioned, was working for a candidate’s campaign, is a candidate’s spiritual advisor and sounding board, and is a close associate of a candidate.

By the way, I’ll bet you any sum you care to name that Wright would receive a higher percentage of votes in Iowa than you quoted. You said he’d receive less than one vote in 10 quadrillion....if he managed one vote, I’d win.
Pat Robertson ran for President of the United States of America and beat George Hebert Walker Bush in the Iowa Caucus in 1988
And if this were 1988, you’d have a point. But this is 2008 and Robertson is no closer to the mainstream of the Republican Party than you are to sanity.

Also, as I have pointed out many times, the Iowa caucus rarely represents the rest of the Republican Party. Only once has a non-incumbent won that caucus and gone on to get the party’s nomination. Citing a second-place finisher in Iowa 20 years ago as evidence of mainstream bona fides is laughable.
 
Written By: Steverino
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And more to the point, Hagee represents the mainstream of the GOP. Wright is an outlier on the left.
"Germany?" "Shh. He’s rolling."

Complete BS. You dont even believe this.
 
Written By: rob
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Caricature? Things I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears rarely end up as ’caricatures’ of something.
When you get evdience of McCain being a long running member of Hagee’s Church, where he and his wife were married by Hagee, his daughters were baptized by him, and where he calls Hagee a moral guide... let me know.

Until then....

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
"’Nuff said."

What a day! Both Erb and MK said something I agree with.
 
Written By: timactual
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