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The Quality of Obama’s Character
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Caroline Glick nails it.
 
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I read that and remembered a "Christian" concert I walked out of, too, because the hateful tone was spiritually oppressive. I’m not generally the type to get into the spooky stuff but... well... I sure wasn’t feeling the presence of G*d. They were talking about a couple of Polish teens that had been martyred and it was in such a hateful way.

My friends sat through it while I paced the lobby. I assume we talked about it afterward.

Like Caroline Glick said... not to make myself out as this super great person or something but... I really don’t understand *not* reacting that way.
 
Written By: Synova
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It can be done. I stood up to my church when it got too far out into Bush bashing, America bashing and anti-war propagandizing. And I am not a prominent or powerful member of my church.

Obama was a prominent, powerful member of Trinity United and he had the ear of the Rev. Wright. Yet he did nothing. Nothing! I can’t get over it. I really can’t believe that a person who cares about America could let this hateful minister say such vicious, untrue things about America. At some level I think Obama must buy into Wright’s rabid anti-Americanism.

My idea of a great short election ad would be to run a loop of Rev. Wright screaming "God damn America!" with a caption reading "If Barack Obama won’t stand up for America in his church, how will he stand up for America in the world?"
 
Written By: huxley
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I have yet to hear from any Jews or Jewish leaders on their reaction to this whole story. Well, I AM a Jew, so here goes.

I thought in my lifetime that when one opens their mouth with racist, bigoted opinions - be they Trent Lott, Don Imus, or Jeremiah Wright - those who are people who desire to live in peace as Americans with all Americans would speak up and denounce that kind of crap. Trent Lott was forced to resign his leadership position when he made a racist comment; Don Imus was fired; Geraldine Ferraro (whose comment was not racist at all) was also fired.

Yet now we have a man running for President whose pastor, whose mentor of 20 years, who baptized his children and led his hand in marriage, made some of the most derogatory and hateful remarks I have heard in this country in some time, and today he swept them under the rug. Sure, said Obama, Wright said some bad things, but he is not a bad man.

Sorry, folks, but that sh!t won’t fly.

Al Sharpton has made bigoted, racist, and anti-Semitic statements; he is honored to post his opinions on every network. Jesse Jackson also made racist and anti-Semitic statements, and he is invited to give his opinion. And now we have Jeremiah Wright, who went to Libya with Louis Farrakhan and gave that slimeball an award, and Obama says, in so many words, "so what...move on. We have other issues to discuss.

Sorry, Mr. Obama - I will NOT move on.

I want to hear rabbis, pastors, reverends, and priests join together to demand that either Obama apologize for now admitting that he sat there and listened to Wright’s hateful remarks, and dismiss the man and his speeches, or they must ask Obama to step out of the presidential race. We cannot have a man who follows a bigot and anti-Semite sitting in the White House as our President.

Call your networks and write your newspapers, people. If we allow this to go unchallenged, we might as well allow all of or enemies to just take the place over and do with us what they will, because we will have invited it to happen.

My rant is now finished. Thank you for your time.

Ed Steinberg
 
Written By: Ed Steinberg
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I grew up on the south side of Chicago in the 1970s and 1980s so I have a bit of local interest in Senator Barack Obama’s race for the White House.

Obama and his family live in my old neighborhood, Hyde Park. My siblings and I all attended our local public high school – Kenwood Academy. Obama’s wife Michelle went to Whitney Young High School. The city swimming championship was always held there. My older brothers were members of Kenwood’s swim team. Aside from its swimming pool, I never saw much of Whitney Young. It was a magnet school. But my parents always said that didn’t mean much. All of Chicago’s public schools were basically horrible.

Kenwood was reclassified an academy rather than a regular high school sometime in the 1970s. It was the principal’s way of expelling the gang members from the school. In the Chicago public school system, if you attended an academy and weren’t passing your classes you could be expelled. I understand that the distinction was removed a couple of years after I graduated in 1987, and the school rapidly declined to its previous status as a gang and drug infested flophouse for adolescents. The year after I graduated, in a sign of what was happening, the school authorities installed metal detectors at all the entrances.

When I went to Kenwood, the school was 85 percent black and 15 percent other. The others were mainly white with a sprinkling of Asians and Latinos. Going to school there probably gave me a somewhat skewed view of the reality of race relations in America, because the only bigotry I experienced was black bigotry against whites.
Hmmm.

Now, let’s assume this is true, i.e., growing up on the South Side of Chicago, the only bigotry this person experienced was "black bigtory." This would of course make her an objective analyst of the situation, someone whom McQ would obvioulsy cite.

To say this woman has some pent up racism against blacks would be an understatement. Let’s be clear: If someone visited the South Side of Chicago in the 70’s and 80’s and failed to see any bigotry against black people, they’re lying. Hell, let’s just start with the Chicago Police Department.

After today’s speech, it’s open season on black people. This is the tip of the iceberg. Oh, and the implied affirmative action reference to Michelle Obama takes the cake.
Geraldine Ferraro (whose comment was not racist at all) was also fired.
Nice to see Archie Bunker (Ed) stopped by too. Ferraro’s comment was every bit racist. She said that Obama is succeeding only because he is black. It’s racist in two ways; first, it suggests that Obama got where he was only because of some undefined form of affirmative action. Second, it is racist because it denies Obama his achievements. This kind of comment is precisely like Limbaugh’s statement about Donovan McNabb.

Crawl back in your hole, Ed. We have work to do in this country, and we don’t need your racism.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Ferraro’s comment was every bit racist. She said that Obama is succeeding only because he is black. It’s racist in two ways; first, it suggests that Obama got where he was only because of some undefined form of affirmative action. Second, it is racist because it denies Obama his achievements.
You have an odd idea of racism. It seems that, if affirmative action actually works, it is inherently racist. At least, if we follow your logic.

The simple fact is that Obama is a remarkably unaccomplished politician for a serious presidential run. A large part of his success is "reasonable black man" act. If he was white, he couldn’t pull it off. There is nothing racist about this.

Although it is nice to see you use the standard leftist tactic of yelling "racism" to get critics to shut up.
 
Written By: Don
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Ferraro said that *she* was picked for VP because she was female. That she wouldn’t have been picked if her name was Gerold. And that Obama was doing well because he was black. And that she was qualified to be VP and saying he was doing well because he was black and would not be doing well if he was white didn’t mean that he wasn’t qualified either.

It meant that both of them got *attention* that they wouldn’t receive if they were white men.

How is that racist?

Jindal gets attention because he’s brown. Pallin gets attention because she’s female. Maybe we’re all looking forward to that not happening anymore but it’s dishonest to go "Woo wooo! First Black President!!" and then claim his being black makes no difference.

Racism is your stupidity, mk, insisting that no white jewish girl in South Chicago is going to be subject to black racism. That this isn’t her experience as a minority in her school and community.

That was her experience.

I know that there is racism still but I also know that when I was in basic a black girl coming from a Marine family was friendly to everyone, arranged prayer meetings, and was liked by everyone. She was one of the two people who I exchanged pictures with at the end. The other black girls... not from military families... became more and more hostile toward her until she distanced herself from the white girls.

I think that’s tragic. Why should she have to chose *not* to be friends with the white girls in order for the black girls to be something other than hostile? Hm?

And the thing is... all the stupid talk about how white people are controlling who interacts with whom and all isn’t true if you can’t have a white friend without being forced to give up black friends. But those black girls probably were never around white girls, never hung with them, never got closer than television. It really wasn’t their fault. And maybe they had a pastor like the Rev. Wright telling them to expect hostility.

The other girl, Sheila, she grew up expecting the white girls to *like* her. Her father was career enlisted Marine. And her expectations are what happened. The white girls *liked* her. They took her *leadership* naturally without a second thought. She was a natural leader.

At least her expectations of the *white* girls in her flight were met. I don’t think she expected the way the black girls treated her at all.
 
Written By: Synova
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Hell, let’s just start with the Chicago Police Department.
The Chicago Police Department seems to have a share of equal opportunity a-holes.
Crawl back in your hole, Ed. We have work to do in this country, and we don’t need your racism.
Wow, a lecture in racism from a Mike Nifong/Duke Rape hoax defender.
 
Written By: Paul L.
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The most sorry aspect of this whole story is that apparently Rev. Wright isn’t unique.

For years, I have believed that the pastors of black churches were the key to ending the problems of the black community, but now I see they are merely perpetuating the problems of the black community with a message of hate.

It’s all so sad.
 
Written By: Neo
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To say this woman has some pent up racism against blacks would be an understatement.
mk invokes the well known logical fallacy reductio ad retardo (reducing every argument to his own retarded world view).

Thanks you auntie mk, now please please return to your attic.
 
Written By: capt joe
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I see they are merely perpetuating the problems of the black community with a message of hate.
If there is an enemy and a fight to be had, people will open up their wallets and purses quicker. Pass the plate. Fight the fight. Pay my salary.
 
Written By: Is
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Barack Obama has expanded our universe.

By his example, there is now the “Obama-Wright escape” clause for those embarrassing situations where you can now say .. “I can no more likely renounce him/her than Obama could renounce Rev. Wright.

Wow. Doesn’t that make the world a better place ?

Or .. I would like to invoke my “Obama-Wright escape” clause rights.

Ranks right up there with the 5th amendment and has the Constitutional feel.

Example:
Dick Cheney could no more likely renounce Haliburton than Obama could renounce Rev. Wright.

Yeah. That feels right, doesn’t it ?

Perhaps we should all automatically consider this repsonse the next time we consider demanding a repudiation of someone.
 
Written By: Neo
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Ferraro’s comment was every bit racist.
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, I actually agree with MK.

The irony is palpable.



 
Written By: shark
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For years, I have believed that the pastors of black churches were the key to ending the problems of the black community, but now I see they are merely perpetuating the problems of the black community with a message of hate.
It’s ironic that people are just learning about the black community. Notwithstanding that anger is not hate, did you think that the adversity that has faced the black community for decades was not going to inform their opinions?
If there is an enemy and a fight to be had, people will open up their wallets and purses quicker. Pass the plate. Fight the fight. Pay my salary.
And this is an element of it too. What is the defining characteristic of organized religion in general? It is exclusiveness, we inside these walls vs those outside the walls, so when the vast majority of those inside the walls are black, and the vast majority of those outside the walls are white, of course this is how it will be characterized.

I do find it funny when the phrase "the white man" is used as a reference to those who wield power, but resentful white people who wield no power pretend the reference is directed at them.

Hey Billy Beck, you are not "The White Man", your just some resentful guy who doesn’t think the anger of others is justified while you add nothing to the conversation but vitriol as you describe the society around you with pure hatred, from politicians to police you frequently wish painful deaths on.

The sad thing is that this (above) reaction is the same old tired one dimensional reaction that has defined race relations in America.

One aspect of the multidimensional complex response to hundreds of years of racism is anger, but now, Americans like those in this thread, are going to caricature the black churches as being nothing but anger (and then mischaracterize that anger as hate).

The anger is probably not productive, except that it fills up collections plates, but that does not mean it is not real, even if it’s used as a tactic.

But wasn’t that the point Obama was trying to make, that black anger AND white resentment have gotten us nowhere, and we need a new course?

I see white resentment oozing from these pages in response to this sudden recognition that black anger still exists (gasp).

I suggest looking into the mirror when castigating blacks who have the nerve to still express anger.



 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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"It is exclusiveness, we inside these walls vs those outside the walls"
Captain, you’ve painted with far too broad a brush here.

 
Written By: Grimshaw
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It’s ironic that people are just learning about the black community. Notwithstanding that anger is not hate, did you think that the adversity that has faced the black community for decades was not going to inform their opinions?
It’s fun watching the Donkey Party tear itself apart.
 
Written By: Don
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Sarcastic:
...the phrase "the white man" is used as a reference to those who wield power, but resentful white people who wield no power pretend the reference is directed at them.
Wow, you really know the lingo. Do you by any chance happen to be a black person yourself or are you just good friends with a couple?
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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Yeah... "the white man" is understood to only mean those who wield power.

Oh, hey... and I’m not a man. Whoo-hoo.

Thing is, Sarcastic... the fact that there is black anger is a fact. The suggestion that the anger *must* be due to experiences is an assumption. I don’t think anyone expects Rev. Wright to white wash what’s real, just not paint a picture that is false and make things worse.

We pay attention to the world around us. My brother’s good friend, someone he worked with and who lived with him, someone he’s stayed close to for *years*, got all upset one time because the kid at McDonald’s wanted the money before he got his food... racism!! Well, okay, I can see where that’s coming from and he was genuinely offended but the thing is... EVERYONE pays for their food before they get it at McDonald’s. So what should a person do? Reinforce the idea that all perceptions of racism are legitimate or, preferably, have people in leadership like Rev. Wright point out that this doesn’t help. Sure, my brother can point out that everyone pays before they get their food at McDonald’s or that sometimes people working at places mess up and it’s not personal... maybe they’re having a bad day too? But it’s not going to help much coming from him.

Or an upset retired GI creating a scene at the gate into Clark... the Philippine Army guard pointed his weapon at him... because he was black. Disrespected him because he was black. I’m sure that this gentleman *was* disrespected because he was black often enough but not by the Filipino who clearly needed to be jacked up and then sent to "how to handle your weapon 101" and made to stay there until he learned not to be dangerously sloppy with his weapon.

Sometimes people are jerks. Sometimes they’re having a bad day. Sometimes their training and discipline are inadequate. Sometimes it’s NOT racism.

Sometimes it IS. Sometimes it’s NOT.

I don’t resent the anger. I sure as anything resent someone fanning and encouraging that anger. Feeding it.

The logical, rational response to "You can never understand..." is "Why try." For my lifetime... post-MLK you know... it’s been all about how much different the black experience is. It hasn’t been about how we’re all people and all equal and all feel the same feelings and emotions and all have the same colored blood. No... it’s been about how *separate* we need to be. How impossible it is to be anything but separate. How "whites" need to accept how they can never understand, never bridge that gap.

Maybe people will start to talk about that now. How seeing groups instead of individuals is a pathology and not anything at all about respect.
 
Written By: Synova
URL: http://synova.blogspot.com
"I do find it funny when the phrase "the white man" is used as a reference to those who wield power, but resentful white people who wield no power pretend the reference is directed at them."

Well, there are more precise and accurate ways of expressing the point, such as talking about "those who wield power", and there is always the classic "establishment", not to mention the ever popular "The Man".


"are going to caricature the black churches as being nothing but anger"

Just as you seem to caricature those who disagree with you.


"I see white resentment oozing from these pages in response to this sudden recognition that black anger still exists"

*Sudden* recognition? Are you new here? This is a response to the apparent acceptability of black anti-white hate speech by a Presidential candidate.



 
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