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Cone, Wright, Trinity UCC and black liberation theology
Posted by: McQ on Friday, March 21, 2008

Per McClatchey, some of what black liberation theology teaches is:
Jesus is black. Merging Marxism with Christian Gospel may show the way to a better tomorrow. The white church in America is the Antichrist because it supported slavery and segregation.
Now, I don't care what color you make Jesus. If you're happy imagining him as black, white or burnt orange go for it.

I have an ideological problem with Marxism and frankly find it to be a philosophy which enslaves people rather than liberates them. How you can successfully hook Marxism and Christianity together is beyond me. But again, if that floats your boat, go for it. If you can put those two together, there isn't a darn thing I could say that would convince you otherwise.

And I can even manage to wave away the premise that the "white church in America" is the "Antichrist" because it supported slavery and segregation. It requires an enormous amount of ignorance about the large role the church played in the abolition movement to do so, but again, many people find stereotypes much more fulfilling when they really want to believe something but historical fact argues against it.

But what about a "theology" which is based in hate. Is that acceptable to anyone?

The acknowledged founder of current black liberation theology is one James H. Cone. Rev. Wright acknowledges Cone as the father of the theology he expressly believes in.

Perhaps the most widely quoted of James Cone's expressions of black liberation theology is this one:
"Black theology cannot accept a view of God which does not represent God as being for oppressed blacks and thus against white oppressors. Living in a world of white oppressors, blacks have no time for a neutral God. The brutalities are too great and the pain too severe, and this means we must know where God is and what God is doing in the revolution. There is no use for a God who loves white oppressors the same as oppressed blacks. We have had too much of white love, the love that tells blacks to turn the other cheek and go the second mile. What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power, which is the power of blacks to destroy their oppressors, here and now, by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject God's love." [A Black Theology of Liberation, p. 70]
But there are many more. And they all are pretty shocking when one considers they undergird what most, until recently, considered to be a mainstream Christian church.

For instance Cone has written this about the hatred of whites and the impossibility of black racism:
"It is important to make a further distinction here among black hatred, black racism, and Black Power. Black hatred is the black man's strong aversion to white society. No black man living in white America can escape it...But the charge of black racism cannot be reconciled with the facts. While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism. Racism, according to Webster, is 'the assumption that psychocultural traits and capacities are determined by biological race and that races differ decisively from one another, which is usually coupled with a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race and its rights to dominance over others.' Where are the examples among blacks in which they sought to assert their right to dominance over others because of a belief in black superiority?...Black Power is an affirmation of the humanity of blacks in spite of white racism. It says that only blacks really know the extent of white oppression, and thus only blacks are prepared to risk all to be free." [Black Theology and Black Power, p. 14-16]
And this saying all whites are demonic and the spawn of Satan:
"For the gospel proclaims that God is with us now, actively fighting the forces which would make man captive. And it is the task of theology and the Church to know where God is at work so that we can join him in this fight against evil. In America we know where the evil is. We know that men are shot and lynched. We know that men are crammed into ghettos...There is a constant battle between Christ and Satan, and it is going on now. If we make this message contemporaneous with our own life situation, what does Christ's defeat of Satan mean for us?...The demonic forces of racism are real for the black man. Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." The white structure of this American society, personified in every racist, must be at least part of what the New Testament meant by the demonic forces." [Black Theology and Black Power, pp. 39-41]
Of course, while we see many try to excuse Obama from guilt by association, Cone argues the opposite when he claims just being white makes all whites guilty of oppression and racism. And, of course, there are many among whites who accept this deeply flawed premise:
"All white men are responsible for white oppression. It is much too easy to say, "Racism is not my fault," or "I am not responsible for the country's inhumanity to the black man...But insofar as white do-gooders tolerate and sponsor racism in their educational institutions, their political, economic and social structures, their churches, and in every other aspect of American life, they are directly responsible for racism...Racism is possible because whites are indifferent to suffering and patient with cruelty. Karl Jaspers' description of metaphysical guilt is pertinent here. 'There exists among men, because they are men, a solidarity through which each shares responsibility for every injustice and every wrong committed in the world, and especially for crimes that are committed in his presence or of which he cannot be ignorant.' " [Black Theology and Black Power, p. 24]
Cone even goes so far as to redefine Christianity:
"To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people!" [Black Theology and Black Power, pp. 139-140].
Now for those who are getting the vapors over all of this and are ready to blurt out, "but, but, that's not what Obama believes, and that's not what his church stands for", stay with me here. I'm not going to attempt to claim I know what Obama believes, but I will attempt to point out something which certainly makes a strong statement concerning what his church believes.

First the words of Rev. Jeremiah Wright:
Wright has said that a basis for Trinity's philosophies is the work of James Cone, who founded the modern black liberation theology movement out of the civil rights struggles of the 1960s. Particularly influential was Cone's seminal 1969 book, "Black Theology & Black Power."
And then these words, today, from James Cone:
Cone wrote that the United States was a white racist nation and the white church was the Antichrist for having supported slavery and segregation.

Today, Cone, a professor at Union Theological Seminary in New York, stands by that view, but also makes clear that he doesn't believe that whites individually are the Antichrist.

In an interview, Cone said that when he was asked which church most embodied his message, "I would point to that church (Trinity) first." Cone also said he thought that Wright's successor, the Rev. Otis Moss III, would continue the tradition.
Now those who would like to claim that Trinity UCC isn't a church which supports the hateful philosophy and ideology of James Cone's version of black liberation theology have both the words of Cone and the pastor of Trinity UCC to refute. Good luck with that.

More importantly though, if this church has been the one that "most embodied" James Cone's message, how in the world has Senator Obama remained so blissfully unaware for 23 years?

That question - despite the speech and the absurd and morally relative comparison between Wright and his grandmother - remains unanswered.
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Of course, while we see many try to excuse Obama from guilt by association, Cone argues the opposite when he claims just being white makes all whites guilty of oppression and racism. And, of course, there are many among whites who accept this deeply flawed premise:
Well that sucks for Obama, considering he is white.
 
Written By: mkultra
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I am reminded of the attacks on Romney for his Mormonism....a religion which seems quite benign in comparison to Cone’s theologial message. How can anyone claim that Cone’s message is any more consistent with traditional Christian beliefs than that of present-day Mormonism?????
 
Written By: RAZ
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Well that sucks for Obama, considering he is white.
Yeesh ... this comment combined with your McCain attempt indicate you’re either off your game or you’re really, really searching for something to dispute.
 
Written By: McQ
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Yeesh ... this comment combined with your McCain attempt indicate you’re either off your game or you’re really, really searching for something to dispute.
Nice comeback.

The implication of your post is that Obama is really a racist in disguise. It’s hardly something that is difficult to find.
More importantly though, if this church has been the one that "most embodied" James Cone’s message, how in the world has Senator Obama remained so blissfully unaware for 23 years?
The implication of the question is that he did know, and is therefore supportive of the message.

Do you really believe that? Really? Do you really believe that Obama is a racist? That he hates whites?

Sadly, I think you do. Indeed, I think a lot of wingers do. I believe it is a minority view, but it is a sizeable minority. They really believe that Obama hates whites. Of course, they were going to find a reason to dislike Obama anyway, so it is sorta beside the point. And for some, it may justify some latent racism on their part. After all, if Obama hates whites, it is ok to hate Obama because of who he is.

But Obama is also white, which makes it weird. What wingers are in effect saying is that Obama hates himself. Which was my point.

As for McCain, like I said before, wingers apparently have no problem with his embrace of Hagee. Which again is weird. It’s not like they see Hagee as less of a problem, it is that he is no problem at all.
 
Written By: mkultra
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The implication of the question is that he did know, and is therefore supportive of the message.

Do you really believe that? Really? Do you really believe that Obama is a racist? That he hates whites?
Even your implications are wrong today.

I don’t feel that at all. I’m just tired of all the attempts to, excuse the term, whitewash a church which is obviously and proudly an adherent to the odious black liberation theology of James Cone. Both admit it. That sort of ends the argument for me.

But beyond that I’m curious. How in the world does someone like Barack Obama, who has previously claimed his church isn’t controversial at all, explain 23 years there?

Aren’t you curious about that in the least?
Sadly, I think you do. Indeed, I think a lot of wingers do.
Of course you do. We couldn’t be dismissed as ’wingers’ if you didn’t. Much easier that way. If you couldn’t do that then (gasp) you might actually have to think about what I’m asking wouldn’t you?

But hey, toss one off at the ’wingers and go your merry way with blinders firmly in place, MK. It won’t be the first time.

And don’t think it wasn’t noticed that you said nothing of substance about the Cone quotes or the subject of the post.
 
Written By: McQ
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What wingers are in effect saying is that Obama hates himself. Which was my point.


Wow MK - I have asked before and never gotten an answer... what happened to you? Years past you would come in here and actually have something of value to debate. There were times that, against my better judgment, I gave you the field. But now? Now you are just a whiny little punk with NO game.

I am not hearing anyone say Obama hates himself. What is being asked, is how does one balance out being black and white and spending the last 20+ years attending a weekly service proclaiming black power and all the other crap listed in the posts the last few days?

If you were really looking for answers mk, you would be directing your questions to Barrak. Instead you come here and post and snipe.

Such a shame...
 
Written By: meagain
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" Racism, according to Webster, is ’the assumption that psychocultural traits and capacities are determined by biological race and that races differ decisively from one another, which is usually coupled with a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race and its rights to dominance over others.’"

I really hate to differ with Cone, but by this definition a lot of what he calls white racism is not actually racism, since very few people think that immutable biology determines whatever it is they criticize qbout blacks.

"Where are the examples among blacks in which they sought to assert their right to dominance over others because of a belief in black superiority"

I submit that it is impossible to find more than a small percentage of whites that think thusly. It may be a very noisy and well publicized percentage, but it is tiny.

"says that only blacks really know the extent of white oppression,"

And the standard corollary derived from this is that whites not only do not realize the extent of their racism and oppression, but are incapable of understanding it, even if it is explained to them. Thus any complaint of oppression by a black person must be accepted as valid, with or without evidence.

It has been awhile since I went to Sunday school, but I seem to remember that the primary concern of Christianity was the next world rather than with this Earthly one. Jesus was more concerned with his people’s souls and the Kingdom of God than with liberating them in this world from the oppression of the Roman ofay. Evidently I was misinformed on two counts; (1) blacks, not Jews, are the chosen people, and (2) Christianity’s primary purpose is to tend to the Earthly, material concerns of man (except the white man).
 
Written By: timactual
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Sadly, I think you do. Indeed, I think a lot of wingers do. I believe it is a minority view, but it is a sizeable minority.
About the same amount who believe "white America" is racist and Bush really is Hitler? Yeah, you’re probably right. Nice takedown, sir.
 
Written By: rob
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"Sadly, I think you do. Indeed, I think a lot of wingers do. I believe it is a minority view, but it is a sizeable minority. They really believe that Obama hates whites."

Considering the minuscule level of burden of proof for getting called a racist, how can you say he doesn’t qualify?

In other words... probably he’s not a racist but neither am I and neither are those complaining about Wright racists.

In other words... if we are, Obama certainly is, too.

These double standards you know, different according to what race you are, behavior for one condemned as racism and the same thing by the other... not?
 
Written By: Synova
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Well, this certainly explains Michelle Obama somewhat odd statements.
This paints a portrait of Trinity church as being somewhat on par with the Aryan Nation Christian Identity churches, but just with a different color.

Bottom line: I’m sorry Mr. Obama, but I can’t vote for you any more than I can vote for someone from the Aryan Nations, which means not a chance, nada, never, not gonna happen, I’m outta here.
 
Written By: Neo
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A quote of Obama on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/19/obama.interview/index.html

"In some ways, this controversy has actually shaken me up a little bit and gotten me back into remembering that the odds of me getting elected have always been lower than some of the other conventional candidates,"

It looks like he is already laying the groundwork for blaming white racism for his loss.

 
Written By: timactual
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It doesn’t really matter what turns the conversation takes from here....the fact that race has really been injected into this is the deathknell for his chances.

And the fun of it all is that this idiot isn’t as slick as he thinks he is (or everyone else thinks)

He KNEW this racist pastor could be a problem for him. And he did nothing to get in front of the issue.

The fool scored an own goal.
 
Written By: shark
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"This is no time for a neutral God"

I wonder what God makes of this plea to show a one-sided partiality toward black people?

I wonder what all those atheists, abortionists, and antinomians that make up the Democrat Party, make of this plea for a God, any God, a black-man’s God?

I wonder what Obama’s Granma makes of the fact that her grandson’s Church has an exclusive God?

And, BTW, where is Obama’s Granma?
 
Written By: eliXelx
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How you can successfully hook Marxism and Christianity together is beyond me. But again, if that floats your boat, go for it. If you can put those two together, there isn’t a darn thing I could say that would convince you otherwise.
Actually, McQ, it’s pretty easy to tie Marxism/Communism as an economic system to the ideals of the Christian church, especially in its’ early years. For example, look at the Book of Acts, 4:32 - 5:11, Ananias and Sephira. NewLiving translation.

1. There is no doubt that they are practicing communism:"All the believers were of one heart and mind, and they felt that what they owned was not their own; they shared everything they had...There was no poverty among them, because people who owned land or houses sold them, and brought the money to the apostles to give to others in need." From each according to his means, to each according to his need —- Marx would have been proud to call them brother.

2. They had as close to an incorruptible body of rulers as possible, who were proving their uprightness with miracles every day.

3. And they had pretty close to the ultimate Auditor; when Ananais and Sephira try to cheat the system, Peter knows about it instantly, and the punishment is swift and sure: the cheaters are struck dead on the spot.

And yet there were still cheaters, the apostles couldn’t hold it together for very long, and none of the other churches outside Jerusalem seem to have even tried it. If the 12 Apostles backed up by God couldn’t make communism work, how in the h*ll would any lesser mortals have a shot?? ;-)

Where Jesus and the Apostles would part company with the average Libtard (mkultura and especially the Rare Erb, take a bow) is the idea that government should be involved in forcing charity through the government. When charity is forced through the tax system at the point of a gladius (or an AK47), it isn’t charity. Note that Ananais and Sephira aren’t struck down because they didn’t give enough, but because they entered into a contract with God and then attempted fraud.

Again, that old quote about "rendering unto Caesar" comes to mind. Caesar might build the roads, and run the post office; charity as a religious act falls squarely into God’s province.

Oh, and mkultura, if McCain’s acquaintanceship with Hagee counts as an embrace, Obama’s relationship with Wright is three-way cream cheese llama sex; the kind of kink you’d only talk about with the closest of intimates. Obama made the Paris Hilton mistake of letting the video hit the net....
 
Written By: SDN
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Oh, and mkultura, if McCain’s acquaintanceship with Hagee counts as an embrace, Obama’s relationship with Wright is three-way cream cheese llama sex
Thanks a lot for that mental image.
 
Written By: Achillea
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You guys have convinced me.
Thanks to you, I can now make an informed decision.

This fall, I’m not voting for either Wright or Hagee.


Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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"What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power, which is the power of blacks to destroy their oppressors, here and now, by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject God’s love."

Cone’s words are at the heart of modern black neo-fascism. They declare a master race, advocate violence, have the end justify the means and replace religion with black liberation theology. All they need is a powerful orator with the soft message the people want to hear.
 
Written By: Arch
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You guys have convinced me.
Thanks to you, I can now make an informed decision.

This fall, I’m not voting for either Wright or Hagee.
Oh. Well good. I mean Wright’s relationship to Obama is precisely the same as Hagee’s to McCain. I knew you’d figure this out.

But I would like your help on something Pogue.

Obama wants everyone to assess his judgment and character based on a vote he never made about Iraq, but seems not to want us to make an assessment about his character based on a 23 year relationship with a hate spewin’ preacher he called his "spiritual mentor".

Do you agree we ought to ignore one and focus only on the other?

Cheers.
 
Written By: McQ
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After I read through the quotes on Cone’s wiki page (which is in the midst of some wiki war — it changes nearly every time I go back to it), it was hard for me to tell if Black Theology is even Christian.

In Black Theology it seems that God and Christ are essentially weapons for blacks to appropriate for use against the white enemy. It’s worse than heresy IMO.

It also means that the problem isn’t Rev. Wright getting out of bed on the wrong side every odd Sunday or so, then raving at the congregation. It means that the problem is structural and it won’t go away after Wright retires. And this seems to be the case with the new guy Otis Moss.

I don’t know what the experience of the "typical Trinity churchgoer" might be. Maybe they are just tuning into the Lord and tuning out the rest of it. I hope so, but my bet is not.
 
Written By: huxley
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Oh. Well good. I mean Wright’s relationship to Obama is precisely the same as Hagee’s to McCain. I knew you’d figure this out.
A long time ago. Like it or not, both Obama and McCain have a public relationship with "agents of intolerance". And McCain actually seeking an endorsement from someone blaming 9/11 on gay people equates to Obama’s relationship with someone blaming all the worlds ills on white people.
Personally, I don’t know why anyone would want to have a relationship with such hateful people. But then of course, I’m not a religious man.
But I would like your help on something Pogue.
I doubt that.
Do you agree we ought to ignore one and focus only on the other?
Oh please. Like you have ever considered Obama’s position on Iraq. You have never cared about that. Hell, you still think it was a good idea to invade. So how can you consider his position on Iraq as good judgment in the first place?

And it’s clear that you obviously agree to "ignore one and focus only on the other". Because you clearly are ignoring his judgment on Iraq and are only focusing on his relationship with Wright.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Like it or not, both Obama and McCain have a public relationship with "agents of intolerance".
Sorry Pogue ... this dog won’t hunt. You can continue to ignore the differences in those relationships if you wish, but it doesn’t speak particularly well for you if you do.
Oh please. Like you have ever considered Obama’s position on Iraq. You have never cared about that. Hell, you still think it was a good idea to invade. So how can you consider his position on Iraq as good judgment in the first place?
Somehow I knew you’d dodge the question.

Of course, that’s why I asked it.

Cheers.
 
Written By: McQ
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"This is no time for a neutral God"

I wonder what God makes of this plea to show a one-sided partiality toward black people?
Interesting you should ask, since this is Easter, around which time, the liturgical calendar has us taking note of Peter speaking to a crowd:
34 Then Peter said, "I can see, for sure, that God does not respect one person more than another. 35 He is pleased with any man in any nation who honors Him and does what is right.
I’m not preaching here; that’s not my purpose. My point is that the likes of Wright, Done, etc, would seem to have chosen to ignore this perception of Peter, this passage of the Bible, since Peter’s words would seem to fly in the face of the words of Cone, for example:

“Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.”

“The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.”
 
Written By: Bithead
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Missing the central idea of Christianity itself... that individuals have access to God through Jesus Christ... isn’t a minor sort of thing. Christians will certainly say that Jews are and always will be God’s chosen people, but Salvation happens to individuals only, to you or to me, with no regard to our group membership or the privilege or hardship of our lives. With no regard to our GOODNESS. The best person has sinned and is unworthy on their own merit to approach God. The worst person is no different. The murderer is welcomed as easily as the righteous man.

This is central to Christianity.

That some people don’t like that doesn’t give them leave to change what they don’t like. Redemption is a unique concept that is hard for a lot of people to understand or accept because it seems to go against Justice. And it does. A compassionate God loves the oppressor, the murderer and the rapist.

A man might willingly die for his friends, but who would die for those who are his enemies? That’s what Jesus did.
 
Written By: Synova
URL: http://synova.blogspot.com
There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.
—Galatians 3:28
Amen, Synova. This is a central teaching of Christianity.

If Rev. Wright, theologian Cone, members of Trinity Church, and candidate Obama wish to compromise on this and make their version of Christianity about blacks as the chosen people and Africa as the homeland in a therapetuic move to empower themselves to better self-esteem, increased political power, and to defeat their white enemy, that is their choice.

But it’s not Christianity.
 
Written By: huxley
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