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Roman News Network breaks lynching story
Posted by: McQ on Sunday, March 23, 2008

As if this comes as a surprise:
In a sunrise Easter sermon, Rev. Otis Moss III never mentioned Wright by name, but implied that his mentor, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and declared it damned for its “state-sponsored terrorism,” is facing the same challenges Jesus did.”No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching,” Moss said.

“The lynching was national news. The RNN, the Roman News Network, was reporting it and NPR, National Publican Radio had it on the radio. The Jerusalem Post and the Palestine Times all wanted exclusives, they searched out the young ministers, showed up unannounced at their houses, tried to talk with their families, called up their friends, wanted to get a quote on how do you feel about the lynching?” he continued.
Complete, for those who still don't get it, with not-so-clever code words. And thus the torch of victimhood and grievance is passed.
 
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You guys don’t get it. The response to Wright has been akin to a public lynching, and while you guys get all self-righteous in complaining about BDS, you seem to think that complaints from blacks are just claiming victimhood. Are conservative complaints about the ’liberal news media’ similar victimhood mantras? Or are only minorities who endure real discrimination and lower status accused of that. It is hypocritical, dishonest, and simply WRONG to try to dismiss concern over how Rev. Wright is being treated by accusing blacks of playing a victim card. Indeed, that’s the kind of thing privileged folk with no clue about the reality of the other side’s perspective would say. Try reading black media and listening to them, now with an ear to just tearing them down to defend your pre-existing biases, but actually trying to understand and be a little self-critical.

Or stay in your own world, self-righteous, pretentious, and wrong.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Or stay in your own world, self-righteous, pretentious, and wrong.
Project much?

 
Written By: Don
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Scott we get more than you do.

There is always an excuse for failure.

The fact that Obama made efforts to hide this man from public view speaks volumes as to whether Rev. Wright’s preachings have the power to persuade and revolt.

The failure here was that Obama & crew weren’t able to keep it out of view.
 
Written By: Neo
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Obama’s church is so beyond-the-pale racist that the only choice, as it is found out in the wake of Obama’s presidential campaign, is to defend itself by claiming victimhood. So the leap from proclaiming Jesus a black man killed by white men to portraying Wright and the church as Jesus lynched by white men was a short one.

The one thing you don’t want to expect from Obama, Wright, or Moss is rationality. The best you’ll get is rationalization, and when that is shown to be what it is, you’ll get the "lynching" thing, or worse.

What’s worse? Well, thinly veiled calls for violence, for instance. Which is both explicit and implicit in the writings of James Cone, the racist "black theologian" who Wright follows.

P.S.

The one thing that I love about Boris Erb is that his "white guilt" isn’t even guilt — this isn’t a person who has any shame, let alone guilt — but it is definitely white, in that academic sort of way.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
More importantly, it shows that Obama knew this would at least look bad.

Just list Spitzer who knew that his sexual adventures would get him in trouble, Obama figured out too late that this would be an obstacle in his path to the Presidency, but he kept doing it anyway.

Meanwhile if you have pity for Rev. Wright make sure you leave some room to have pity for those other lost souls in the Aryan Nations Christian Identity churches as well. While both of these churches disgust me, they are equally self delusional that their path is part of their lives and that God is on their side. The next time you defend Rev. Wright you are defending them as well, just as when you attack them you are also lynching Rev. Wright’s sheep as well.
 
Written By: Neo
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Or stay in your own world, self-righteous, pretentious, and wrong.
Pot - meet Kettle.
 
Written By: SShiell
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Simply put, it was the wrong speech.

We didn’t want an exposition on race and black anger in America from the son of an immigrant who never experienced the civil rights movement or segregation or Jim Crow. Who cares about the "context" of Rev. Wright’s anti-white, anti-American and anti-semitic rants? We have heard this defense before of murderers and child molestors, to wit, they had a bad childhood. Hogwash.

We wanted to know about Obama’s relationship with Wright. We wanted to know why Obama thought it useful, cool, meaningful, whatever, to turn Wright into his mentor and spiritual guide. He spent 20 years with the man and didn’t know his views? Or, he spent 20 years with the man and didn’t mind his views? Or, he spent 20 years with the man, knew his views, did or didn’t agree with them, but found it politically expedient to maintain the relationship? Which is it, Senator? No choice reflects well on your qualifications to be President.
 
Written By: Neo
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shorter Erb — Don’t criticize a black person no matter what he says.
 
Written By: JWG
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Prof Erb — As Obama himself has conceded, Rev. Wright has attacked America by saying wrong, divisive, incendiary, controversial etc. things about America. So no one should be surprised that Rev. Wright has been attacked for saying those things. One can debate whether those responses were immoderate, but Wright is not an innocent victim.

However, last week we had Trinity’s members (and Obama more subtly) making the comparison between Wright and MLK, and now Trinity’s pastor comparing Wright to Jesus Christ, on Easter Sunday no less.

Rev. Wright has not been lynched, assassinated or crucified. As far as I know, his Porsche hasn’t even been keyed. Nor is Wright near the moral plane of MLK, much less Jesus Christ.

You may not agree with or like the criticisms Wright is receiving, but they are not on the order of requesting God to damn Wright or telling vicious lies about his plans to infect whites with AIDS or some such.

Your outburst and that of Trinity’s church are childishly disproportionate rhetoric. In other words, get a grip.
 
Written By: huxley
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I am pleased that the denizens of Trinity Church continue to speak their minds freely and I can only hope that what they say will be given as wide a distribution as possible.

Rev. Wright as Jesus Christ, crucified?

I trust American voters to draw their own conclusions.
 
Written By: huxley
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Scott we get more than you do.
I doubt that very much, especially if you don’t get just how important and celebrated Obama’s speech has become. He’s trying to raise the discussion above the "gotcha game" to one of relevant policies. He’s passed this test with flying colors.

Huxley, you’re still in the petty mode of saying "Wright has said bad things, you’ve known him and worked with him," to attack Obama. Absurd. But this was a test that was telling - could Obama take that kind of hit and turn the discussion a way from a scandal like "what did you know and when" to a relevant issue for the American public - the nature of race relations. He did. He is showing himself to be the kind of politician we haven’t had for a long time. Like Reagan in 1980, he’s focused on principles, and if he’s not done in by residual racism, he may end up being a very surprising candidate.

So I guess I’m in agreement with Bill Richardson, who was moved by the speech to see Obama as the ideal candidate to bring principled, adult debate back into a campaign style that has been negative, personal and focused on gotcha games. I think McCain may be that way as well, I think that an Obama-McCain race would at least have two men of character competing. That doesn’t mean I’ll vote for Obama (or McCain — I hardly ever vote for a main party Presidential candidate). But this week my respect for Obama went up dramatically (I talk about that in my most recent blog entry, from March 21), "Is Obama the Democratic Reagan?".

I mean we may finally have two good candidates to choose from.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
I doubt that very much, especially if you don’t get just how important and celebrated Obama’s speech has become.
Pot - meet whining Kettle!
 
Written By: SShiell
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"how important and celebrated Obama’s speech has become" For whom? I suggest you check out some of the more recent surveys have to say about that. Those who were already convinced of the Obamessiah are even more so now. Others? eh. Not so much.

And you just gotta love the pre-emptory strike of ’residual racism’. How about the residual cranial-anal inversion on the Left?
 
Written By: JorgXMcKie
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Boris:
Huxley, you’re still in the petty mode of saying "Wright has said bad things, you’ve known him and worked with him," to attack Obama. Absurd.
Boris, for once in your (truly) Godforsaken life would you, could you possibly look at the actual situation head-on instead of going off into your navel-gazing laboratory and concocting your pure bullsh*t?

Obama’s church is founded on racism. No one, not even you, could sit there for 20 years and fail to notice it. The clips of Wright played over and over again on news programs were for sale on CDs in the church’s gift shop. The things Wright says are consistent with the "black theology" that he insists "white people" must understand before they judge his church.

Barack Obama was in that church for 20 years. You don’t go to a black nationalist church for 20 years without being a black nationalist. Is it possible to attend a racist church for 20 years without being a racist?

If a white politician attended a church like this for even one year 35 years ago he would immediately be branded a racist and driven from public life.

What is taught in Obama’s church is the equivalent of what white racist Christian Identity churches teach. Do you get it yet?

Obama takes his two daughters to listen to this black supremacist drivel. Do you get it yet?
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
I suggest you check out some of the more recent surveys
I have. Obama scored big. Over 60% agree with him on race, and he’s raised the level of discussion. He’s passed this test, no matter how much you want to protest.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Huxley, you’re still in the petty mode of saying "Wright has said bad things, you’ve known him and worked with him," to attack Obama. Absurd
Prof. Erb — We’ve only been over this three or four times. I am saying that I question Obama’s judgment in choosing this church and this mentor, and his passive acceptance and complicity in his pastor’s racist, anti-American politics.

Personally I don’t care about Obama, Wright, Trinity Church and all the vicious, hateful politics that go on in that little culture. However, Obama is interviewing for the most important job in the free world, he has little or no record or accomplishments to speak of, so his judgment, his actions, and his associates are about all I have to assess him as a candidate, and the conclusions are obvious and not good.

If that is "petty" and "absurd" I challenge to spell out the logic of your argument. Mostly you claim by assertion and LOL, not logic, not cites.

 
Written By: huxley
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Over 60% agree with him on race, and he’s raised the level of discussion. He’s passed this test, no matter how much you want to protest.
Prof. Erb — Color me unimpressed.
Despite the positive marks Obama receives for his speech, views of his ability to unite the country have declined compared to a CBS News/New York Times Poll conducted in February. Now, 52% of voters say he would unite the country if he becomes president; in February, before the March 4th primaries, 67% thought he would do that.
CBS
Obama’s favorables are down and his unfavorables are up. I’m pleased to know that you count yourself among intellects like Chris Matthews celebrating Obama’s speech as one that will be studied rapturously in the future.

Please cite and support your arguments more in the future.
 
Written By: huxley
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Huxley, watch the long term trends, at worse (if I’m wrong that he’s going to turn this into a positive) this is really a minor bump in the road, better in March than October. Frankly, you aren’t qualified to judge his choice of a church on the basis of sound bites, and trying to attack a candidate for the political correctness of what his pastor says is gutter politics. I think that’s what the American public will ultimately decide, that seems to more and more be the way this is playing out.

Attacking someone with the career of Rev. Wright and attacking his church in this way on the basis of a few soundbites is the gotcha game at its worst, it is a kind of lynching, in my opinion.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Boris:
Huxley, watch the long term trends, at worse (if I’m wrong that he’s going to turn this into a positive) this is really a minor bump in the road, better in March than October. Frankly, you aren’t qualified to judge his choice of a church on the basis of sound bites, and trying to attack a candidate for the political correctness of what his pastor says is gutter politics.
Belonging to a racist church (i.e., a church with a racist theology) is an issue that has no bottom, Boris. And the videos that have been shown are not "sound bites," they are flagrant expressions of the underlying racist theology of the church — the church to which Obama has belonged for 20 years.

It will take from now until the summer for this to become clear to your average American voter because the very idea of this sort of thing is so alien to the average American voter.

It is not a matter of "what his pastor says," but a matter of what the foundation of the church’s beliefs are. They are racist beliefs. And if you bothered to follow Jeremiah Wright’s own instructions on where to find out about those beliefs, well, you would be back here defending those racist beliefs against their own meaning because, after all, you are a college professor.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
"to a relevant issue for the American public - the nature of race relations."

What on Earth do you think Wright was talking about? Evidently in your world (wherever that may be) discussing the nature of race relations is limited to the discussion of endemic and pervasive white racism. The nature of race relations as characterized in black theology is irrelevant.


" we’re all biased and our jobs and experiences help shape how we are biased."

Except that Obama’s 20 year religious experiences do not shape his biases.
 
Written By: timactual
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"Attacking someone with the career of Rev. Wright and attacking his church in this way on the basis of a few soundbites is the gotcha game at its worst, it is a kind of lynching, in my opinion."

He must be a troll. Anybody who says that is just too stupid to remember how to breathe, much less how to power on a computer.
 
Written By: timactual
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You know that episode on Star Trek with a 20th Century Rome feel wasn’t real. When you recite and comment on the same words, you took ’painstaking care’ to preach on, five days after the worst mass murder in U.S. history; after the likes of Falwell, Robertson, Moore, Jensen, et al; had been rebuked for their carelessness, that’s not lynching, it’s being observant.
 
Written By: narciso
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Indeed, that’s the kind of thing privileged folk with no clue about the reality of the other side’s perspective would say."
And, of course, you know this from the heartbreak of Farmington’s black ghetto, not to mention the boiling racial cauldron of South Dakota. Right?

Right.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Billy, if anyone draws conclusions about politics and power from their own experiences alone, they’ll always have a warped view. That’s why you learn, study, travel. My experiences living in Washington DC, Minneapolis, Germany and Italy give me some insights, but it’s more about reading what others experience, and learning to comprehend and appreciate different perspectives. Otherwise, I could say "what the hell does an aging roadie know about politics and philosophy" and dismiss anything you say. I don’t. I criticize you for not making an argument or trying to defend your assertions, but the fact you don’t have a Ph.D. in economics or philosophy doesn’t make me automatically dismiss you. But by the logic of your post, I should.

Timactual, yeah, discuss black theology and other things in context. Get it out in the open, look at the causes, the impact, changing beliefs. Make the issue and issue. Because just trying to use that to attack Obama is not only irrational, but it’s disgusting gutter politics. I think the American people will realize that, and like Reagan did 28 years ago, Obama will control the discourse. (To be sure, I still expect McCain to win against either Democrat, but Obama has a far better chance than Hillary would have).
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Boris:
Billy, if anyone draws conclusions about politics and power from their own experiences alone, they’ll always have a warped view. That’s why you learn, study, travel. My experiences living in Washington DC, Minneapolis, Germany and Italy give me some insights,
The Good Lord, Boris, has a deep respect for thoughts, which is why He filled your head with the empties.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
"Otherwise, I could say ’what the hell does an aging roadie know about politics and philosophy’ and dismiss anything you say. I don’t."
Well, thank bloody Christ for small favors, because it’s not as if you’ve never been that stupid.
"Billy, if anyone draws conclusions about politics and power from their own experiences alone, they’ll always have a warped view. That’s why you learn, study, travel."
Shut up, Erb. You’re not talking about anything in the world that you know: all you’re doing is re-playing threadbare and half-assed sociology notes. Don’t try to come off like you know what you’re talking about; No one who actually does is going to be conned.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Come on! You mean to tell me a minister that gave probably 3 sermons a week for over 30 Years...many recorded on video tape available to the public...and all you right wing swamp-dwelling scum suckers could come up with is about 90 seconds of intemperate remarks?? And play them on a loop as if they were every day occurences?? You a**holes have to do better than that if you want to pin the rascist tag on this guy...or anyone that attended his church. And maybe listen to the context of some of those 90 seconds by listening to the whole sermon. How many of you dipsh*ts have done that??
 
Written By: Tim Lord
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"To taste the ocean requires only a single drop."

(Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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