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Catch 22
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, March 26, 2008

According to the latest Rasmussen poll:
Twenty-two percent (22%) of Democratic voters nationwide say that Hillary Clinton should drop out of the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination. However, the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that an identical number—22%—say that Barack Obama should drop out.
But the majority (62%) say "no, no, no" - they want both of them to stay in.

Gallup, however, looks at this a little differently. According to their most recent poll:
A sizable proportion of Democrats would vote for John McCain next November if he is matched against the candidate they do not support for the Democratic nomination. This is particularly true for Hillary Clinton supporters, more than a quarter of whom currently say they would vote for McCain if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee.
To be precise, 28% of Clinton supporters would vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. A smaller portion of Obama supporters, 19%, would vote for McCain if Clinton is the nominee.

Heck, there's another argument Clinton can make for her nomination. Dems would lose less to McCain if she's the nominee than if Obama is the nominee.

Of course it is March and we have plenty of time for John McCain to do the foreskin foxtrot any number of times before November, but at this point he and his campaign have got to be all for this Democratic primary season continuing into August if possible.
 
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Of course it is March and we have plenty of time for John McCain to do the foreskin foxtrot any number of times before November, but at this point he and his campaign have got to be all for this Democratic primary season continuing into August if possible.
If McDrooly lives that long.

Even worse for him, looks like the odds of us bombing Iran have gone down, given that we have apparently taken the Iranian side in the Iraqi-Shiite civil war. OTOH, Iran is training AQI, at least according to McCain and the other dead-enders.

Where’s Joe Lieberman when you need him?
 
Written By: mkultra
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We need Karl Rove to tell the Dems what a horrible idea this is for them...

We might see those percentages increase. :)
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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If McDrooly lives that long.
Geeze, this is the equivalent of Chuck Berry being reduced to singing "My Ding-a-Ling"

Because you used to at least be annoying in a pesky way.

Now you’re just sad.
 
Written By: shark
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mkultra,

So, what’s up with your buddy Nifong?
 
Written By: Don
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Geeze, this is the equivalent of Chuck Berry being reduced to singing "My Ding-a-Ling"

Because you used to at least be annoying in a pesky way.

Now you’re just sad.
Coming from the most kneejerk, jingoistic wingnut who posts here, that smacks of a compliment.

BTW, Shark, which side do you support in the Shia civil war? Sadr and his crowd? Or the other side. Inquiring minds want to know.

I know you are awaiting orders from wingnut headquarters, so I will give you some time.
mkultra,

So, what’s up with your buddy Nifong?
My buddy? Ha ha.

If there is one thing that wingnuts have a hardon for, it is overzealous prosecutors.

The only reason wingnuts got upset about Nifong was because he was going after WASPy types.

OTOH, just last week the US Supreme Court reversed the death penalty conviction of a black man convicted by a racist white prosecutor who struck all potential black jurors. Of course, the reversal didn’t get much play on right wing blogs. Wonder why. Certainly didn’t hear from you about it, Don.
 
Written By: mkultra
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The only reason wingnuts got upset about Nifong was because he was going after WASPy types.
Yeah, it couldn’t have been his lying and prosecutorial misconduct. Not at all...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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"Of course, the reversal didn’t get much play on right wing blogs. Wonder why."
Probably because they don’t see anything wrong with it.
 
Written By: Grimshaw
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Yeah, it couldn’t have been his lying and prosecutorial misconduct. Not at all...
If that were true, they would get upset about the same conduct meted out to minority defendants. But they don’t. Simple as that, really.
Probably because they don’t see anything wrong with it.
Of course. True wingnuts are forced to disagree with Alito and Roberts when they reverse a conviction because of racism. Because, after all, there is no racism in this country anymore, even if Alito and Roberts say otherwise.

Sad. I think this kind of nastiness will increase if Obama becomes the nominee.

It’s going to get uglier.
 
Written By: mkultra
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I think this mk is a new mk. This is whoever inherited his computer and ’websites to troll’ list.
 
Written By: jpm100
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.. plenty of time for John McCain to do the foreskin foxtrot ...
Umm ... the what? I’ve honestly never heard that expression before.
Even worse for him, looks like the odds of us bombing Iran have gone down, given that we have apparently taken the Iranian side in the Iraqi-Shiite civil war. OTOH, Iran is training AQI, at least according to McCain and the other dead-enders.
You’ve had a hard-on for Iraq for quite awhile now. Do you want to go to war with Iran? ’Cuz every time you stoop to writing about it, you convey a deep disappointment that Iran is somehow stronger in your view. Does that mean you want to bomb them now? Are you worried that we won’t forge war as soon as you want?

Warmonger.
 
Written By: MichaelW
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
I think this mk is a new mk. This is whoever inherited his computer and ’websites to troll’ list.
Ha ha.

Nice try.

Mcq and the rest of the wingnut contingent simply will not admit that the United States military is being used by one Shia militia to take out another.

Traitors? I don’t know. But the bottom line is that this is a civil war. And we are sacrificing American lives for a Shia militia allied with Iran to fight another Shia militia that is not.

I’m against that. You wingnuts are for that. History will judge you harshly.
You’ve had a hard-on for Iraq for quite awhile now. Do you want to go to war with Iran? ’Cuz every time you stoop to writing about it, you convey a deep disappointment that Iran is somehow stronger in your view. Does that mean you want to bomb them now? Are you worried that we won’t forge war as soon as you want?
Yes I’m disappointed that Iran has been strengthened. You’re not? What the hell is wrong with you? Why do wingnuts love Iran?

You are a true wingnut. You refuse to see that our invasion of Iraq has strengthened Iran, and that we are now fighting for Iran.

Wingnuts have always loved Iran. They sold them arms in the 80’s. Now we are fighting their wars.

What is wrong with you?
 
Written By: mkultra
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Yes I’m disappointed that Iran has been strengthened. You’re not? What the hell is wrong with you? Why do wingnuts love Iran?

You are a true wingnut. You refuse to see that our invasion of Iraq has strengthened Iran, and that we are now fighting for Iran.

Wingnuts have always loved Iran. They sold them arms in the 80’s. Now we are fighting their wars.

What is wrong with you?
Just so I understand you, Iran is a problem? You want to go to war with Iran? Regardless of whether toppling Saddam "strengthened Iran", if Iran is now a problem, what do you propose we do about it? Another war?
 
Written By: MichaelW
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
plenty of time for John McCain to do the foreskin foxtrot ...
Umm ... the what? I’ve honestly never heard that expression before.
He means there’s plenty of time for McCain to step on his own dick... Plenty of time to screw up...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Just so I understand you, Iran is a problem? You want to go to war with Iran? Regardless of whether toppling Saddam "strengthened Iran", if Iran is now a problem, what do you propose we do about it? Another war?
Jesus. Of course I don’t want to go to war with Iran. You people are like kindergardeners.

My point is that we are now fighting for Iran. Literally. We are waging war on the streets of Iraq on behalf of Iran’s proxy in Iraq.

But since most wingnuts are complete idiots when it comes to the complexities of the Middle East, I would not expect you to understand. After all, Wingnut #1 John McCain recently announced that he thought that AQI was being trained in Iran. Literally. He announced publicly that a transnationlist terrorist organization that is vehemently anti-Shiite is being trained in, of all places, Iran.

Why are wingnuts so incredibly stupid? Seriously. WTF is wrong with wingnuts? I don’t really care about policy differences? But why in the world would they get facts so wrong?
 
Written By: mkultra
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Jesus. Of course I don’t want to go to war with Iran. You people are like kindergardeners [sic].
Regardless of our alleged child-like gardening skills, I still can’t grasp your point. Are you saying that Iran is or isn’t a problem? If it isn’t a problem, then why do you keep bringing it up?

If, alternatively, it is a problem, then what do you propose that we do about it, seeing as we’ve already invaded Iraq and deposed Saddam Hussein? If we leave today, how does that hurt Iran? Do you think that unilateral withdrawal will (a) scare the be-Muhammed out of, or (b) embolden Iraq?

Keep in mind that this is just a survey of your opinions on the matter, and that there are no wrong answers ... regardless of how stupid they may at first appear.
 
Written By: MichaelW
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
He means there’s plenty of time for McCain to step on his own dick... Plenty of time to screw up...
Thanks, Scott. Sometimes the obvious escapes even the most brilliant among us [/arrogance].
 
Written By: MichaelW
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
... (b) embolden Iraq?
Should be, of course, "embolden Iran?"
 
Written By: MichaelW
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com

Why are wingnuts so incredibly stupid? Seriously. WTF is wrong with wingnuts?
Did someone go and give a lobotomy to old mk?

He was annoying before but now he just sounds retarded.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Coming from the most kneejerk, jingoistic wingnut who posts here, that smacks of a compliment.
ME???

LOL

Comon, Joe or Scott Jacobs are CERTAINLY more kneejerk and jingoistic that I am ;)
 
Written By: shark
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Coming from the most kneejerk, jingoistic wingnut who posts here, that smacks of a compliment.
Wrong, a**hole. That would be me.

Did anyone notice he used "wingnut" 14 times instead of the less formal and oh-so-more hip variant "winger"? What the hell?

This either isn’t mkultra or he’s been doing whippits all day long.
 
Written By: Jeff
URL: http://repatriate.blogspot.com
Comon, Joe or Scott Jacobs are CERTAINLY more kneejerk and jingoistic that I am ;)
No lie... How hard do I have to work at being jingoistic to beat out shark?

And I think mk had a stroke of something. He’s just gone right down hill...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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"the foreskin foxtrot"

That’s what I love about this site, I am always learning something new. I am assuming Scott Jacobs’ definition is correct. I was puzzled for a while.
 
Written By: timactual
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What we are witnessing is the final implosion of mkultra’s head, much like a dying star collapsing into itself when it has expended all its fuel.

Mk told us repeatedly that Nifong was a genius. Now that Nifong’s perfidy has been proven, all mk can say is that conservatives were against Nifong only because the accused were white. It’s an absurd statement, and utterly irrelevant to the fact that mk was so completely wrong on this issue, but it’s all mk has anymore.

Now he’s claiming that the commentors here are opposed to a recent Supreme Court ruling, even though no one has written a single word about it. It’s amazing that he knows the secret thoughts of everyone he meets...kinda like Santa Claus knowing who’s naughty and who’s nice.

And the US is supposedly doing Iran’s work by helping Iran-backed Shias fight against other Iran-backed Shias.

We always wondered when the cognitive dissonance would get to mk...now we know.
 
Written By: Steverino
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Steverino,

It’s BECAUSE no one wrote about the SCOTUS ruling that we’re all racists. Of course, if anyone HAD written about it, that silly bitch mk would be in here with his laundry list of racially motivated miscarriages of justice that you DIDN’T write about, negating the "fig leaf" you just commented on and proving that in fact, YOU ARE ALL RACISTS.

I hope he and Erb never go away. How boring these threads would be without the random ignorance, obtuseness and sometimes outright insanity that they bring to the table.

 
Written By: Jeff
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I hope he and Erb never go away. How boring these threads would be without the random ignorance, obtuseness and sometimes outright insanity that they bring to the table.
If they didn’t exist, we’d have to invent them (although it does seem the MKbot could use a tune-up).
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
A sizable proportion of Democrats would vote for John McCain next November if he is matched against the candidate they do not support for the Democratic nomination. This is particularly true for Hillary Clinton supporters, more than a quarter of whom currently say they would vote for McCain if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee.
Sorry to digress to the point of the post but...

We’ll see these numbers taper off after a nominee is chosen, just as we did when the anti-McCain contigent of the Republican Party threatened to vote Democrat or not at all, now they getting in line behind McCain.

After a nominee is chosen, Democrats will argue that it doesn’t matter if you hate the choice, the tilt of the Supreme Court hangs in the balance.

The Democrats who are closest to the center and feel the most slighted may vote McCain, but more left leaning will vote Democrat no matter how slighted they feel.

It’s tough for me, because I don’t care how SCOTUS feels about abortion, but I do care how they feel about gun rights (pro- gun rights), individual liberty, privacy, domestic spying (pro-liberty). So I can’t get a court that’s in line with my thinking by voting a candidate, I can only hope that the courts accidentally ends up in line with my thinking.



 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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now they getting in line behind McCain.
Not all of them...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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The Democrats who are closest to the center and feel the most slighted may vote McCain, but more left leaning will vote Democrat no matter how slighted they feel.
The Obama factor is the number of new voters or otherwise apathetic voters he might bring in, especially in states with large minority populations. I know many Democrats who have said "if only our demographic had the voting turnout rates the Republicans have, we’d win big." With Obama, they might have a chance to find out if that’s true. Hillary might do better than Obama in holding those centrists who are intrigued by McCain, but she’ll risk defections by many blacks and other Democrats if she wins by some sort of super delegate overturn of the majority. But otherwise, yeah, once the emotion of the campaign wears off, most people will stay with their party. Given how close the last few races have been, even a slight change could make a huge difference.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
(although it does seem the MKbot could use a tune-up).
Flushing the cache, I think, should do it.
We’ll see these numbers taper off after a nominee is chosen, just as we did when the anti-McCain contigent of the Republican Party threatened to vote Democrat or not at all, now they getting in line behind McCain.


I’m not so sure. I linked, this morning, to this story, which points out that we saw much the same kind of damage in reverse in the 2000 cycle, and describes the outcome.
Brian Schaffner provides some helpful context for the Gallup “Democratic defector” results that we linked to earlier today. He notes a Pew Research Center survey from March 2000 that suggested similar fallout for George W. Bush as a result of his primary against John McCain.

Here are the key passages from the Pew report, starting with the lead paragraph:
The presidential primary season may prove to be a decisive factor in Campaign 2000, not only for who won, but for the way the winners emerged from the process in the eyes of the voters. Al Gore was clearly helped, and George W. Bush was just as clearly hurt. The vice president has improved his personal image, while making gains among two key groups whose support had eluded him last year, independents and men. In contrast, many people have come to dislike Bush personally, especially former supporters of John McCain. As a consequence, the Texas governor now trails Gore for the first time in a nationwide Pew Research Center survey, by 49%-43%….
Later, the report turned to the impact of the primaries:

Primaries Costly for Bush

Moreover, Gore leads Bush by a 51%-44% margin among voters who say they backed McCain during the primary process.(1) These McCain supporters are especially vocal critics of Bush as a person — nearly half (48%) of those who support Gore point to Bush’s personality as the thing they like least about him.[NOTE 1: Unless otherwise noted, former McCain and Bradley backers/supporters are those who say they strongly supported McCain/Bradley for their parties’ nomination.]

But Gore’s most important gains from supporters of McCain and Bradley come among independents who now disproportionately favor the vice president. In contrast, the party regulars have largely returned to the fold, with Republicans supporting Bush and Democrats supporting Gore.
There was some ’healing’ among Republicans during the summer, but not nearly enough to make the election a shoe-in for Bush.

Be that as it may, the real story here is the independants. I suspect the damage there is already done. As I said at my own place this morning: If past be prologue, we’ll see this swing to McCain not only remain, but grow… and the independents are what will make the difference.


 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
After a nominee is chosen, Democrats will argue that it doesn’t matter if you hate the choice, the tilt of the Supreme Court hangs in the balance.
I’ll go even further. It’s not that supporters of one Dem candidate hates the other Dem candidate, they’re just being bitter and lashing out. It’s an intermural dispute not unlike one having a fight with a family member. I assume that most of you have had a fight or disagreement with a close friend or family member that at one time you felt could never be reconciled, but then as time goes by the air thins and blood cools and you find yourself exactly where you were before the dispute. No hard feelings. Yes?

Same thing here.

Here’s what’s going to happen.
Obama will win the nod. Why? Because the Clintons are running out of candles and the party elders will pressure her to concede. Then, fearing retribution from the party and thinking of their own future, the Clintons will throw their support for Obama and ask their supporters to follow Obama.
I suspect this to happen shortly after she loses NC, but it may happen sooner than that. The Democrats will unite for Obama. Sure there will be dissenters, but they will be few and far between.

After that, it gets tricky. I believe that Obama will narrowly win the popular vote over McCain, but the electoral count is still too cloudy to envision. Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton in the early nineties. In that he is one smooth talking SOB with charm and charisma. Of course most of QandO readers and commenters will disagree, but you have to realize this. Remember the speech on race after the Wright episode? The pundits, even some conservative ones, were calling it the best speech about race since MLK’s “I have a dream”. Some were even calling it the best speech ever.
One cannot deny that the Obama ship could at any time easily blow ballast and casually float above all torpedoes that might sink him.

I first came to this conclusion when I watched him speak in Houston a few weeks ago. I thought, ‘damn, he’s good.’

For all of you who think Obama is done for, I think you’re letting your hopes cloud your senses.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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The pundits, even some conservative ones, were calling it the best speech about race since MLK’s “I have a dream
Big deal. Race is such a toxic subject, of the few speeches candidates dared to make about race, none of them probably strayed much beyond bland platitudes anyway.

I suspect this to happen shortly after she loses NC, but it may happen sooner than that
Tough to envision, especially when a Hillary PA blowout is in the making.
Then, fearing retribution from the party and thinking of their own future, the Clintons will throw their support for Obama and ask their supporters to follow Obama
Like they care. Hillary’s Senate seat is for life. And the party probably fears her more than the other way around.

In that he is one smooth talking SOB with charm and charisma.
Absolutely. He says nothing (in deep sonorous tones) much better than anyone else says nothing.
 
Written By: shark
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Tough to envision, especially when a Hillary PA blowout is in the making.
There won’t be any blowout. Clinton wins, sure, but only by a couple. Something like 53-47. Not 58-42 like you might expect. Again, I think you let your hopes cloud your senses.
Like they care. Hillary’s Senate seat is for life. And the party probably fears her more than the other way around.
Picture this,... Senate Majority Leader HRC. And tell me why they wouldn’t get behind the Dem nominee. What would be in it for her to shun her fellow Dems?
Absolutely. He says nothing (in deep sonorous tones) much better than anyone else says nothing.


See.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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If that were true, they would get upset about the same conduct meted out to minority defendants. But they don’t. Simple as that, really.
You should have seen us riot when OJ got off. Looting, burning, mayham . . .
 
Written By: Don
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If McDrooly lives that long.
Where’s Joe Lieberman when you need him?
Supporting McCain.

Had you forgotten?
 
Written By: Bithead
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