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Clinton: Another one bites the dust
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, March 27, 2008

That would be the claim that her Bosnia trip was the first trip by a First Lady into a war zone since WWII.


The picture is of Pat Nixon in Vietnam (trying to walk into the tail rotor of the helicopter). And, of course, there was the Barbara Bush trip to Saudi Arabia just prior to Desert Storm.

Although this might come as a surprise, I'm willing to cut her a little slack on this one.
Just because something has appeared in a newspaper does not mean that is entirely accurate. The Clinton camp has circulated a March 26, 1996, quote from a Post article describing Clinton's Bosnia trip as "the first time since Roosevelt that a first lady has voyaged to a potential combat zone." The article went on to say that "other first ladies have visited troops abroad but never in front-line positions," citing the examples of Bush and Nixon.

How these factoids got into the Post story is unclear, but they offer a somewhat misleading picture of the relative risks being run by the three first ladies. By almost any measure, the Nixon trip to Saigon in July 1969 should surely count as the most dangerous of the three visits. Unlike Bosnia in March 1996 and Saudi Arabia in November 1990, South Vietnam was an actual, not "potential," war zone in the aftermath of the 1968 Tet offensive, said retired Army Lt. Col. Gene Boyer, the Nixons' chief helicopter pilot.

"This was a combat mission," Boyer said yesterday, noting that more than 2,000 U.S. helicopter pilots were shot down and killed in Vietnam. "There were no front lines. Everything outside of Saigon was a war zone."
That's the Washington Post taking the Washington Post to task for a "misleading" "factoid". IOW, Clinton is in trouble because she believed what was written in the Washington Post - reason enough to cut her some slack.

BTW, as an aside, isn't a "factoid" supposed to be based in fact?
 
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I suspect the ’factoid’ was given to the Washington Post by the White House to promote good coverage of the trip.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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"Factoid" means something that appears to be a fact, but isn’t, so the WaPo is entirely correct here.
 
Written By: Aaron Pollock
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It’s not like she researched this stuff personally.
On this one I give her a pass - not being right is totally different than making sh!t up.

 
Written By: looker
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So, to help, I’ve found ACTUAL footage of her visit, not that stuff that those partisan hack right wing lunatic wingers at CBS engineered to make our noble former First Lady look bad in our hour of national crisis and need.

Warning - scenes of Graphic violence and Heroics of Presidential calibre
 
Written By: looker
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Just because something has appeared in a newspaper does not mean that is entirely accurate.

...you don’t say?
 
Written By: RDub
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Aaron - you’re right, but apparently it has developed a second meaning and that’s the one, for whatever reason, I’ve always understood to be its meaning.
Factoid n.

1. A piece of unverified or inaccurate information that is presented in the press as factual, often as part of a publicity effort, and that is then accepted as true because of frequent repetition: “What one misses finally is what might have emerged beyond both facts and factoids—a profound definition of the Marilyn Monroe phenomenon” (Christopher Lehmann-Haupt).

2. Usage Problem. A brief, somewhat interesting fact.

factoidal fac·toid’al adj.

USAGE NOTE The –oid suffix normally imparts the meaning “resembling, having the appearance of” to the words it attaches to. Thus the anthropoid apes are the apes that are most like humans (from Greek anthrōpos, “human being”). In some words –oid has a slightly extended meaning—“having characteristics of, but not the same as,” as in humanoid, a being that has human characteristics but is not really human. Similarly, factoid originally referred to a piece of information that appears to be reliable or accurate, as from being repeated so often that people assume it is true. The word still has this meaning in standard usage. Seventy-three percent of the Usage Panel accepts it in the sentence It would be easy to condemn the book as a concession to the television age, as a McLuhanish melange of pictures and factoids which give the illusion of learning without the substance. • Factoid has since developed a second meaning, that of a brief, somewhat interesting fact, that might better have been called a factette. The Panelists have less enthusiasm for this usage, however, perhaps because they believe it to be confusing. Only 43 percent of the panel accepts it in Each issue of the magazine begins with a list of factoids, like how many pounds of hamburger were consumed in Texas last month. Many Panelists prefer terms such as statistics, trivia, useless facts, and just plain facts in this sentence.
Learn something new everyday.
 
Written By: McQ
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They ought to have popups come on screen whenever the candidates speak (like popup videos.)

Hmmm, popup debates, that could be interesting.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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Keith;

Trouble is, MTV holds the patent on that idea, and being owned by CBS.... well, what kind of chance do you suppsoe we’d see democrats subjected to that kind of thing?

(snort)



 
Written By: Bithead
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Just because something has appeared in a newspaper does not mean that is entirely accurate

To reiterate RDub’s point.

The fact that this comes from the Washington Post somehow makes it worthy of a Mastercard commercial: Priceless
 
Written By: kishnevi
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And you know, if there is any better indication that the press has decided to go with Obama, I don’t know what it could be.

 
Written By: Bithead
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The worst part is the whole "doesn’t that make me human" bit.

I know people who lie like that and they are perfectly human. I just don’t like to leave them unattended in my home.
 
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