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In an "Absolut World" (update)
Posted by: McQ on Friday, April 04, 2008

P.H. Potfry takes the Absolut ad campaign to its "oh, so fun" logical conclusion.




I'm sure the Swedes have no problem with either.

UPDATE: A Second Hand Conjecture joins the fun. Ace has a couple more. The News Buckit "disappears" Sweden for a "Greater Finland" in their "Absolut world".
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Linked by All American Blogger, RicketyClick, View From the Right and A Second Hand Conjecture - Thanks!
 
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Absolut genius!
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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See, that’s the ticket, have fun with it! Some people take things waaaay to seriously.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
They missed Eastern Europe, Russia and North Africa in the first one.
 
Written By: Jay
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Kinda odd, the borders he chose for the Third Reich. And Osama doesn’t want the whole world to be Palestine — doesn’t even really want a Palestinian state, period.

But TNOYF can be forgiven, since the Absolut ad was pretty historically ignorant, too.
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Scott - You deserve the mockery you’re about to get — again — for misreading this situation.

Imagine this, Scott, since you don’t have the pleasure of actually living in the American Southwest:
Let’s say, hypothetically, that all those European countries colored blue in that ad actually have significant German populations. Furthermore, a significant number of those Germans insist on actually speaking their own language, such that billboards and automated phone messages and so on are actually in German, all over the place. And let’s further say that some subset of those Germans openly display symbols, and join organizations, suggesting that they consider a Europe-wide Deutschland a just and worthy goal — that The Race should rule all that land which was historically unfairly denied them. And hypothetically, let’s say that millions of those Germans crossed those borders illegally.
Then let’s say that Absolut runs this ad in Germany proper. How funny is that, for everyone living in the other blue-colored countries? Ha, ha, those nutty Germans, right?

No. If you know anything about politics in this part of the country — if you know anything about the culture — then you know that this ad plays right into the worst suspicions of many Americans living in the Southwest. Spend a little time acquainting yourself with MEChA (whose members are rather open about their membership), Aztlán, La Raza. See if people just want to "have fun with it."
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net
No, Jay. Germany at best could have held Europe, and I doubt they could have held it for long. Germany simply wasn’t strong enough, and the Nazi government was internally decaying. If the US hadn’t gotten in the war, I still don’t think Germany could have ultimately defeated the USSR.

Bryan, I just think you need to get a sense of humor. Sometimes political junkies start taking these things far too seriously. Lighten up! You’re reading far too much into this. You guys are showing a real obvious lack of humor here (although you have humor for the parodies...sort of a one sided humor, it seems).
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Only a Sith deals in Absolut...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Scott, I just think you need to stop telling me what is and is not serious. I’ll say it again: this ad plays directly into the worst fears of Americans in the Southwest. It’s not limited to political junkies, out here.

As for your comment to Jay -
His comment wasn’t about what Nazi Germany could have hypothetically held onto. It’s about who Germany threatened and ultimately occupied during the war. They were in the USSR and in northern Africa.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net
You guys are showing a real obvious lack of humor here (although you have humor for the parodies...sort of a one sided humor, it seems).
Sort of like abortion jokes, we just have to have a sense of humor right?

It would be one thing if Mexico were a paradise, which it isn’t. And it would be another if an add showing Mexico as part of the United States wouldn’t be likely to result in cases of Absolut vodka being pulled off the delivery trucks and smashed in the streets of Mexico city, which it probably would.
Many Mexicans feel just as proud of their country as we do about ours.

You know, for a guy who knows a lot about human nature, you don’t know much about human nature.

This is a poorly thought out ad campaign, I’m sure they had a good laugh, we’ll see how hard they’re laughing after the 2nd & 3rd quarter sales results in the Southwest US are reported.

 
Written By: looker
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I’ll say it again: this ad plays directly into the worst fears of Americans in the Southwest.
I’ll say it again: if people in the Southwest get upset over a vodka ad, then perhaps they need to relax a bit. It’s only an ad. Hey, I am just as adamant when people on the left are upset about some kind of un-PC thing said or put in an ad. People need to simply laugh and not take things so seriously.

Absolut is, I believe, a high end vodka. I doubt they’ll be seriously affected by any negative reaction.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
It’s like talking to a brick wall. You state your personal opinion about how other people should feel. I tell you how they do feel. You tell me I’m reading too much into this. But I just told you what other people across the Southwest are reading into this.

You say they should relax, but if they don’t, then it’s a serious matter, isn’t it? It’s not just an ad to them because it’s a wide-open symbol playing into their worst suspicions.

What part of this is not getting through?
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net
Think about it this way, because it’s a line of reasoning that any man on the street can work through in a split second:

Absolut’s "In an Absolut world" ads are all about fantasies, as they run the same campaign in the US. Whoever’s doing marketing for Absolut came to the conclusion that it would be not only unobjectionable, but popular, to depict the Southwestern United States as part of Mexico in an ad directed at Mexicans.

That tells the American man on the street that it’s a popular Mexican fantasy to "take back" the Southwest, which is a base fear and suspicion that’s already a touchy issue for more than just political junkies in the Southwest. Again, acquaint yourself with MEChA and the cultural and political response to it in the Southwest. Heck, just look at how touchy illegal immigration is — it motivates people down here, which is exactly why many politicians play on that issue.

Get it?
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net

It’s like talking to a brick wall. You state your personal opinion about how other people should feel. I tell you how they do feel.
Are you saying that any way anybody feels about anything is legit, and there should never be any criticism? If so, you’ve embraced the PC line usually given by the left, that our language should never attempt to offend anyone, that we have to always be worried about the feelings of others.

So, no. Perhaps politicians will feed on this, the same they’ll feed on Trent Lott telling Strom Thurmond he’d have made a good President. And in each case, I’ll state my opinion that over-reacting to an ad, or to what a Senator says at a birthday party is wrong. Lott shouldn’t have had to resign his post over that. And yes, the real world politics of it may go against what I think should be. But again, unless you want to embrace the radical PC "whatever people feel is OK," then I’ll reserve my right to criticize each reaction as silly and wrong headed.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
I recall hearing a story about a briefing by Gen. Benny Murdani of Indonesia’s armed forces where he referred to various regions of Indonesia (west, east, etc.) and then jokingly pointed to Australia and referred to it as "Southern Indonesia."

Problem is that Aussies may not regard that as a joke.

Same thing with this Absolut Mexico ad.
 
Written By: Harun
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I recall hearing a story about a briefing by Gen. Benny Murdani of Indonesia’s armed forces where he referred to various regions of Indonesia (west, east, etc.) and then jokingly pointed to Australia and referred to it as "Southern Indonesia."

Problem is that Aussies may not regard that as a joke.

Same thing with this Absolut Mexico ad.
Really? It’s one thing to have a general point and say something, quite another for a Scandinavian liquor company to do so.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
As I have suggested to the commenters at Protein Wisdom, please do not engage the typing telephone pole (analogous to Bryan’s brick wall).

There’s no point in it.

Erb’s decided that Erb’s smarter than you, a better judge of humor than you, probably better looking than you, better educated than you, more worldly than you. Your comments only enforce his superiority and reinforce his assurance of your ignorance. Bow to your better.

Or, just ignore him and hopefully he’ll go away.
 
Written By: A fine scotch
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i wonder what the reaction would be if Absolut advertised to the south with a map showing the confederate states of america
 
Written By: huh
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I’ll reserve my right to criticize each reaction as silly and wrong headed.
As if I had questioned your rights, or anyone else’s. When you get done with the straw men, let me know.

The ad was foolish; the popular reaction to the ad among Southwesterners is predictable and understandable; and of course Absolut should be free to run such foolish ads. Your reaction to their outrage demonstrated that you have no understanding of their reaction, which to all outward appearances appears to be a voluntary boycott (not a banning of the ad, or the vodka). Their reaction is justifiable because that message — marketing on a Mexican fantasy to take over a substantial portion of the United States — is discreditable, and has just enough of a ring of truth to it (thanks to MEChA/Aztlan/La Raza etc.) to make it incendiary.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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Or, just ignore him and hopefully he’ll go away.
That’s just it. He’ll never go away. He’s found a forum where his blathering is accepted because of the site’s policy. It’s an addiction for him to try and lecture his inferiors, so he’s not going anywhere.

That’s why we all make fun of the silly sod. He’s impenetrable to logic or facts. If Erb claims 2+2=5 and you point out that 2+2=4, he’ll just come back and talk about how he disagrees, and oh by the way have you read his ten thousand word blog post about post-modern arithmetic. So making fun is all that’s left.
 
Written By: Grocky
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What you guys might not yet understand about Boris, and his behavior in this situation, is that he’s congenitally passive aggressive. He’s "just having fun" with people who "take themselves too seriously." Merge that sort of passive aggression with his narcissism, and hold the whole thing together with a mild but nonetheless perfectly obvious psychopathy (i.e., absence of conscience, pathological lying, lack of affect), and you’ve got your smiley-faced Howdy Doody punching bag with sand in its base, every ready to pop back up smiling toothily under its otherwise blank expression.

Of course, that’s just behavioral. And doesn’t address the question of motives.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Shorter ProfessorBoy: "If you’re not laughing, then you cannot be taken seriously."

Understand?

Now: attend Martin’s question of motives.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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The campaign taps into the national pride of Mexicans, according to Favio Ucedo, creative director of leading Latino advertising agency Grupo Gallegos in the U.S.

Ucedo, who is from Argentina, said: “Mexicans talk about how the Americans stole their land, so this is their way of reclaiming it. It’s very relevant and the Mexicans will love the idea.”
But he said that were the campaign to run in the United States, it might fall flat.

“Many people aren’t going to understand it here. Americans in the East and the North or in the center of the county — I don’t know if they know much about the history.

“Probably Americans in Texas and California understand perfectly and I don’t know how they’d take it.”
There ya go prof - the comments of a foreigner on this campaign, where it’s meant to appeal, and TO WHAT, and where it just might be interpreted the wrong way.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Think about it this way, because it’s a line of reasoning that any man on the street can work through in a split second:

Absolut’s "In an Absolut world" ads are all about fantasies, as they run the same campaign in the US. Whoever’s doing marketing for Absolut came to the conclusion that it would be not only unobjectionable, but popular, to depict the Southwestern United States as part of Mexico in an ad directed at Mexicans.

That tells the American man on the street that it’s a popular Mexican fantasy to "take back" the Southwest, which is a base fear and suspicion that’s already a touchy issue for more than just political junkies in the Southwest. Again, acquaint yourself with MEChA and the cultural and political response to it in the Southwest. Heck, just look at how touchy illegal immigration is — it motivates people down here, which is exactly why many politicians play on that issue.

Get it?


I showed the ad to a couple of coworkers and also attempted to explain how this demonstrates the mindset of the majority of illegal aliens from Mexico. Reconquista is most likely not the intention that they come with, but they are very definitely ripe and amenable to the idea once they have arrived. Whether they could actually succeed in the endeavor is not the point. What needs to be highlighted is that this is not the same type of immigration that took place during your grandparent’s (or their parent’) day. These people have no interest in becoming Americans.
 
Written By: jfw1961
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Grocky,

Martin’s got it absolutely correct. But what the good professor crave more than anything is attention. If you give it to him, he’ll come back. He doesn’t care whether he’s constructively or destructively engaged; the fact that he’s been responded to is the only thing he wants.

If deprived of this attention, it’s likely he’d get bored with this comment section and go elsewhere. Which is why I suggested ignoring him entirely.
 
Written By: A fine scotch
URL: http://
looker quotes from an item:
“Mexicans talk about how the Americans stole their land, so this is their way of reclaiming it..."
It’s a good thing to talk about as a diversion from the fact that your Revolutionary Leninist government stole everything else from you and set you back a century from where you should be.

It’s one iteration of a popular sport of the "oppressed" people of the world, encouraged by their leaders, who don’t want their attention and will most likely "take care" of them should there be any hint of that.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Erb’s decided that Erb’s smarter than you,
LOL! By your logic, one should never criticize another person’s reaction to something, lest one claim to be smarter. Yet by that logic, you cannot criticize anyone, not even me. Your attack contradicts itself!

Do you really lack so much self-esteem that you consider it a kind of effort to claim superiority to say ’don’t take that so seriously?’ Do you really not see how this undercuts any criticism you might make of the left being "PC," worrying about language or an image being offensive? You’re so upset that you’re falling over yourselves with attempts to insult me. Hilarious. Yet at base you have no argument except Bryan’s "some people in the Southwest may think this is bad because they are mad about illegal immigration." (IOW, this ad is politically incorrect because it could be interpreted as relating to a current problem). Otherwise, you’re just really bothered by my opinion and the fact I dare state it openly, and you would rather such opinions be kept silent. A little bit of an authoritarian urge there "Scotch," "Grocky" and the like?

Hilarious.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
The Boris bag pops back up:
LOL!
You’re smiling on the outside, Boris.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
By your logic, one should never criticize another person’s reaction to something, lest one claim to be smarter.
That is NOT an accurate description of Scotch’s position. How surprising that you resort to a straw man.

 
Written By: Steverino
URL: http://
I’m going to violate my own rule for just a minute:

Erb, you dense irritating miniature beast of burden,

I don’t want to silence you.

I want you to go AWAY. Preferably soon.

There is absolutely nothing authoritarian about that, you moron.

I honestly feel badly for the poor souls who are either forced through graduation requirements or voluntarily (*SHUDDER*) listen to your inane drivel.

You are a passive aggressive narcissist who generally adds nothing to the conversations here, which is why I will be ecstatic when you realize this and buzz off.

I generally enjoy discussions with people who disagree with me more than people who agree with me. I generally find the discussions in the comments to posts here interesting, which is why I read the site.

You, however, add nothing to the discussion, as the discussion has to be about YOU, not the topic at hand.

I am not attempting to insult you, you retard; I AM insulting you.

Your views do not upset me in any way. The fact that you are successful in about 95% of threads (unfortunately including this one) in making thread about you and not about the topic at hand upsets me. The fact that other commenters here take the time to engage you, thereby fulfilling the narcissistic portion of your personality upsets me.

You, you sad little man, mean nothing to me.

I’d like the threads back, and if you going away is the means to the end, then I’ll do everything I can to encourage your going away, even if it’s done indirectly.
 
Written By: A fine scotch
URL: http://
Hey, "a fine scotch." Methinks thou doth protest too much.

All I said is that I think the ad is funny and people shouldn’t take it too seriously. You disagree, that’s cool. I also noted that I feel the same way about, say, Trent Lott at Strom Thurmond’s birthday. People who were offended by that were taking what was said at a birthday party far too seriously. I’m asking people not to be so easily offended. I understand Bryan’s point that many won’t (that was true of Lott’s comment too), but while you seem really upset (though you claim not to be...in an extremely long post!), you don’t really point anywhere where I’m wrong. Look, here’s a suggestion. There are two posters I never read. I don’t read their posts, I don’t read when people quote them. They just don’t exist to me. Make me that way to you, and I promise you won’t be bothered.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
If deprived of this attention, it’s likely he’d get bored with this comment section and go elsewhere. Which is why I suggested ignoring him entirely.
Well, I don’t think it will work, because I think when people don’t respond to Erb, he thinks he’s won, and so he’ll just keep coming back.

But I’m willing to take a chance you might be right. I’ve made all the fun of the silly jacka@@ that I want to. It would just get repetitious from this point. So I’m going to follow your suggestion, at least for a few weeks or months. Maybe it will catch on as a strategy, and then we’ll see if it works. Worth a try, anyway.

I’m with you on the Erb-pollution of the threads. I’ve always thought of this site as one of the best, even though there are lots of commenters that I don’t agree with. But Erb contributes nothing of value, and just makes it all a tedious mess to wade through. The fact that he gets pleasure from pi@@ing on just about every thread of any length confirms the narcissism diagnosis. Plus apparently a little masochism that he actually likes being made fun of.
 
Written By: Grocky
URL: http://
“Probably Americans in Texas and California understand perfectly and I don’t know how they’d take it.”What, do you suppose, is it that Americans in Texas and California will ’understand perfectly’ that you obviously don’t?
I know Bryan gets it, but you, living in the North and East, I guess maybe you qualify as someone who doesn’t know about the history maybe, and I’m not talking about the history from 1846, I’m talking about the history over the last 15 years down here on the border.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Grocky, I think I just effectively deal with your arguments (like comment 8226), and you don’t like that, you don’t know how to respond, you can’t win the argument based on evidence and logic so, rather than do what an honorable person would do — admit that I make some good points, and continue the conversation recognizing it’s not a competition, but a discussion of an important issue — you resort to petty name calling (totally refuting your claim — if you really thought I added nothing you wouldn’t be so bothered), wearing your frustration on your sleeve. It’s because I effectively articulate a position that isn’t the norm on this website that you are upset. So call names, but that only shows your weakness. Or else maybe put aside your grudge and actually talk to me as an equal, not as some inferior.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
"It’s one thing to have a general point and say something,"

Of course, because we all know those nasty militarists have no sense of humor at all.
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
All I said is that I think the ad is funny and people shouldn’t take it too seriously.
Jeez Scott - you’ve really got the sparks flying in the powder keg. Can you ever, ever just let something go? You are just making it very clear that Martin and Billy and scotch have you pegged. You have 20 + posts from people telling you why, very specifically, they take issue with you. And your response? To say ’lighten up’ and ’ignore me’.

To which I say - GO AWAY.
 
Written By: meagain
URL: http://
I thought McQ’s earlier post about Absolute’s dumbass ad having consumer repercussions is more immediate than any political upheavals that this particular dumbass ad has.

I know many Hispanics here where I live in SE Texas. I even employ a few. And I have yet to see any of them drink vodka. And even if they did, I doubt it would be some top shelf sh!te like Absolute.

But maybe the marketers at Absolute have figured this ad to be a calculated risk. Think about it… Who drinks Absolute? Conservative yokels or liberal pansies?

I would like to implement an impromptu, unscientific poll aimed at the QandO readers.


How many of you drink vodka?


Me? Not me. I thought vodka was for college girls.

You?
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Scotch, Whiskey (not necessarily in that order), neat.
BEER (Porter, Ale or Lager)

Vodka - in a mixed ’sweety’ drink that my wife is clearly not going to finish on her own.

The Absolut add isn’t goig to affect me, because I wasn’t going to buy Absolut anyway.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Various standard Boris lines:
Hey, "a fine scotch." Methinks thou doth protest too much.
What’s that, Boris? About the 10,000th time you’ve written "Methinks...etc."?

Methinks you have bats in your belfry, Boris.
Grocky, I think I just effectively deal with your arguments (like comment 8226), and you don’t like that, you don’t know how to respond,
I don’t recall anyone here ever being incapable of dealing with your arguments, Boris. It might have happened. But, you know, dealing with you isn’t, as they say, rocket science. The main problem anyone is going to have with you is that you’re a glassy-eyed academic numbnuts who doesn’t know his own field, let alone anything else. The big feature of your posts, now that you’re pretending that you are no longer a socialist, is your abject anti-Americanism, which is — surprise, surprise — exactly why you think the Absolut Mexico ad is "funny."
There are two posters I never read. I don’t read their posts, I don’t read when people quote them.
If someone, anyone mentions you, Boris, you read the post. Those who’ve observed your constant drivel over the years know that much about you. They also know how you seethe inside that Mr. Rogers sweater. And how you lie about it, always.

 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Mahone:
How many of you drink vodka?
Hell, I drink the bloody vermouth when there’s nothing else available.

The one thing I won’t drink is Polish vodka, however. It took me a few lessons, but for some reason if I drink that I toss.

It will be just my luck to get stuck alone on an uncharted island and a case of Polish vodka will wash up on shore.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
How many of you drink vodka?
I do. And I drink Absolut. Have for years. But I drink it on the rocks with an olive and call it a "martini".

Mostly, in fact the vast majority of what I drink is beer leaning heavily to ales and with a great affinity for IPAs and stouts. But amongst lagers I like marzen as well.

When I treat myself it is with single malt scotch.

Oh - and it’s cherry vodka that’s for college girls. Hey, whatever works.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Hah! Not only do you admit you drink vodka on the rocks, you admit you drink it with fruit. Well I guess you feel you’re man enough to admit it. ;)

So now it begs the question… Will you continue to drink Absolute?
And if not, what?

I can only imagine you with one of these in your hands.

Ya’ know, it’s Friday and I wish to laugh.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Hey now - I drink me some vodka. Even been known to drink the vanilla version of said absolut. But for the time being, I’ll make sure it’s grey goose or some other clean, clear libation.

You guys ever hear of Irish whiskey? Mmmmm, got a cabinet full of some good ones. Nice and smooth going down, and a clear head when I wake up. God love the irish!

Beer is good. Great even. I’ve been on a DogFish kick lately. They have a 90 minute IPA that comes in at 9% and is SMOOTH. Definitely the one beer to have when you are only gonna have one.

Irish Whiskey though... ahhh, visions of the emerald isle ;-)
 
Written By: meagain
URL: http://
Can you ever, ever just let something go?
You realize, of course, I’m responding to a large number of posts, so clearly I’m not the only one not ’letting go.’ Including yourself.

But OK, I’ll move on to the more important aspect of this thread, no more about lightening up or a sense of humor, I’ll let go...I like Grey Goose vodka or Stolychnaya. I prefer the good vodka Russian style — a small shot, either sipped or at once — followed by some bread and cucumbers. If it’s a cheap vodka, it’s best as a mix. Absolut is a good vodka for drinking it straight, no ice.

Irish whiskey is good, esp. Jameson. But I still prefer Laguvulin scotch or a good Hefe Weizen as my two favorite alcoholic drinks
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Hah! Not only do you admit you drink vodka on the rocks, you admit you drink it with fruit. Well I guess you feel you’re man enough to admit it. ;)
Yup. And while an olive might be the "fruit" of an olive tree, other than drunk Irishmen, I’ve never heard anyone else refer to them as such.
So now it begs the question… Will you continue to drink Absolute?
And if not, what?
Yeah, I’ll keep drinking it. I think it’s a dumb ad and it’ll probably cost them business but it’s not a show stopper at this point. That doesn’t mean they won’t do something dumb in answer to the crap they’re now taking over the ad that won’t see me change my mind, but at this point, bottoms up.
I can only imagine you with one of these in your hands.
Oh, you mean the drink.

Nah ... clear drinks, Pogue - other than an olive, nothing but ice.
Ya’ know, it’s Friday and I wish to laugh.
Gotta mirror handy?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Irish Whiskey though... ahhh, visions of the emerald isle ;-)
Damn you meagain, now look what you’ve done. You’ve forced me to go to the cupboard and pour me one of these. Over only one ice cube, if you please. And since you can’t get the stuff in the States, I’m going to have to put another order in to my limey friend to pick me up another bottle next time he visits home.

Yeah, I’ll keep drinking it. I think it’s a dumb ad and it’ll probably cost them business but it’s not a show stopper at this point. That doesn’t mean they won’t do something dumb in answer to the crap they’re now taking over the ad that won’t see me change my mind, but at this point, bottoms up.
That’s respectable, McQ. I don’t know why I think that just now.
I guess if Absolute puts out a well enough product to weather the storm of such an outrage like this ad for you, there’s no reason to think that there will be any blowback from their traditional consumer base – liberal pansies and easy college girls.
Gotta mirror handy?
Awe, … I expected better from an educated man like yourself. ;)

Anyway, … are you kidding me? I’m the guy who has a picture of himself staring back at me at my desk with quotations, “Hey… because it’s you.”

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Most disagreeable people go away if they’re ignored or if they get one or two really sharp slap-downs, but occasionally you get a commenter who sticks around regardless of how you treat him. I have trouble just letting things slide; a bad point, slickly stated, begs for refutation.

Maybe that’s because of my experience in web fora, where I’m just as thorough as can be and I don’t let it slide when someone misrepresents my argument. It’s carried over to my comments here. When I see Scott say things like this:
Yet at base you have no argument except Bryan’s "some people in the Southwest may think this is bad because they are mad about illegal immigration." (IOW, this ad is politically incorrect because it could be interpreted as relating to a current problem).
... some part of me says, "Any fool can see that he’s misrepresenting your point. Allow his comment to stand as a self-indictment. Responding to him will only give him what he wants." But generally that’s not as convincing as the part that says, "Some people are actually going to believe that BS, especially if it goes unrefuted."

Scott, how can you read what I’ve written and then state that that is my argument? You’re either mistaken (far be it from me to suggest that an academic could have such poor reading comprehension) or willfully misrepresenting my argument. A crucial test of a person’s worthiness in debate is his ability to faithfully represent his opponent’s position, and you’ve failed here either way.

It ain’t political correctness. It’s odious to openly play into some fantasy of territorial conquest, and the people living in that territory are justified in thinking so. You’re a history professor; how did Americans respond to the Zimmerman Telegram? Does it matter whether Mexico had an outside chance of actually re-taking the Southwest? No.

It’s flatly wrong to characterize my argument as, "they’ll object because they’re mad at illegal immigration." I didn’t say any such thing, and it’s an indictment of either your intelligence or your character for saying I did.
You tried to pass this off as a tempest in the political-junkie teapot, and I straight-up contradicted your insinuation by setting it straight: issues surrounding illegal immigration, Chicano nationalism and relations with Mexico are very much part of the consciousness of lots of people in the Southwest, which is reflected in the fact that it’s a hot political football. Down here we see that stuff on people’s bumper stickers, in their public protests, in their politics. There’s been a sharp conservative backlash against MEChA in the California university system, and Chicano nationalist groups have been characterized as neo-Nazi. It’s kind of a big deal, and it’s conceited of you to tell everyone to just laugh it off.

So I’m not going to "admit" that you’ve made some good points, because you haven’t, in this thread. You’ve just repeatedly mischaracterized my arguments.
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Now that I’ve previewed my post, I see you’re ready to let the "lightening up/sense of humor" thing go... but I had to get in my response. I don’t like to leave alone the misrepresentations of my arguments.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net
That’s respectable, McQ. I don’t know why I think that just now.
I do, you’re well into the mead.
Awe, … I expected better from an educated man like yourself. ;)
Just a little cuff, buddy. I could have said, "pull down your zipper and take a look" but I’m into a very nice scotch ale right now and haven’t any meanness about me at the moment.


 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Just a little cuff, buddy. I could have said, "pull down your zipper and take a look"
LOL!!

See? Now that’s more like it.

BTW, I do have a picture of my... Well, we won’t go into it. Let’s just say it has the same quotation, "Hey, ... Because it’s you."
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Hey, ... Because it’s you."
Heh ... cheers, Pogue.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
It’s pointless Bryan.

As Winston Churchill said: The Hun is either at your throat or at your feet.

You would not believe the extensive "honest discussions and debates" I’ve attempted to have with Erb. If you remain calm with him, and answer him carefully on every point he makes, he’ll go long on you by going into chatty mode. It’s a sorcerer’s apprentice effect. Then, if you don’t take his passive aggressive bait and don’t insult him, why, he’ll start insulting you.

But rest assured in one thing: he almost never knows the first thing about what he’s talking about, including topics that fall within his own field. And he’s not a history professor, by the way. He’s a political science professor, with very thin knowledge of history. But worst of all, with almost no desire to learn. He just likes to chat people to death; you have to practically hold a gun to his head to get him to come up with facts.

So, where you might expect yourself and your adversary to both do some homework in a healthy discussion. With Erb you’ll be doing it by yourself, and he’ll just blather back at you and accuse you of getting it all wrong, even where you’ve nailed it down to a dead certainty.

Imagine yourself having to take a course from him, and this rather trivial series of encounters will be less frustrating. He’s useful as what I call a semi-official liar for the Left. He’ll be out there beta-testing some new line of horses**t that he picks up here and there, and it’s usually the cheapest sort of dodges and sophistic nonsense available. In that respect, he’s useful as a barometer of how the indefensible will be promoted. Erb imagines himself a highway engineer of the latest socially constructed reality.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Heh ... cheers, Pogue.
Hell yeah, brother. After all of our differences, how many Fridays have we done this? Too many to count I’m sure.

If you and I ever got together, we could be the next Abbot and Costello… Martin and Lewis… Rowan and Martin…

Or perhaps even Burns and Gracie… Ya’ know… depending on how curious you are.

Cheer to you.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
It’s pointless Bryan.
Indeed it is, which is why I refuse to respond to any of his nonsense.

There’s nothing the man has to say that I find of value because, as has long been apparent to me, he has no principles or honor and lacks intellectual honesty. His "Peter Principle" moment was as the manager of a pizza joint.

You’re welcome to tilt at windmills all you wish, but there’s no real there there. As Bryan is discovering, he is a walking, talking logical fallacy and he counts the last word as a win.

Let him have it ... it is truly not worth your time to do otherwise.

For those who enjoy whacking him upside the virtual head here, go for it. For me, I have better things to do.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Or perhaps even Burns and Gracie… Ya’ know… depending on how curious you are.
G’night Gracie.

And put it down Pogue - someday, somehow gotta get together for just one evening in a good Irish pub.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Here’s something I don’t understand about the ad. If it aims to flatter the imperialist fantasies of (some) Mexican nationals, why is the tagline in English? Doesn’t that indicate that the ad’s true target is the English speaking population of the area depicted on the Spanish-labeled map? Seems to me like it does.

So which is Absolut trying harder to do? Antagonize US Americans by celebrating as desirable a Mexican takeover of their country? Or insult Mexicans by hailing them in Gringo-speak?

Absolut, how could you possibly exhibit less sincerity than, when encouraging Mexicans to envision their culture as predominate, you speak to them in the language of the culture your ad shows them eclipsing?
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
URL: http://
Here’s something I don’t understand about the ad. If it aims to flatter the imperialist fantasies of (some) Mexican nationals, why is the tagline in English?
Funny you should mention that ... I wondered the same thing yesterday when I saw the ad for the first time - why the English?

Love to see an answer from Abolut concerning that.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
And put it down Pogue - someday, somehow gotta get together for just one evening in a good Irish pub.
Aye. Agrrreed.
I don’t see myself in Atlanta anytime soon I’m sorry to say. But the next time you visit Houston to get the latest talking points from you Oil Industry Overlords, ;) … make sure to drop me an email. I know the perfect place.
Where the barmaids offer generous impetus and generous pints.

See you there.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Grocky, I think I just effectively deal with your arguments (like comment 8226), and of course since you said you were done with me, I can post anything I like and you’re in a lose-lose situation. Just like everyone else who tries to engage me. Because I’m clearly the smartest person posting here, and I’m always right, and I prove it by continuing to engage anyone who thinks otherwise until they give up from sheer exhaustion.

You don’t like that, you don’t know how to respond. Just like everyone else here. I don’t understand it because your course is obvious. You can either admit that I’ve made some good points, and in fact you’ll probably want to admit that I’ve just won the argument outright. Or you can keep on engaging me as any honorable person would, and simply accept the fact that you’ll never score any points on me. You can’t win the argument based on evidence and logic because I wouldn’t know logic if it were shoved up my backside, and evidence in my post-modern world is whatever I want it to be.

You can continue the conversation recognizing it’s not a competition, but a discussion of an important issue. Well, actually it is a competition, to see who can last the longest, and I always win that. But you should just accept my superiority. Instead you resort to petty name calling. That totally refutes your claim — if you really thought I added nothing you wouldn’t be so bothered. That’s right. Making fun of me proves I’m right! Isn’t post-modern reasoning wonderful?

It’s because I effectively articulate a position that isn’t the norm on this website that you are upset. Of course, lots of others, like Captin and Pogue do the same thing, and you don’t get upset at them, but that’s because they are so ineffective. Only I, with my godlike powers of political science, can put the righties in their place so effectively that they are reduced to impotent frustration. So call names, but that only shows your weakness. Or else maybe put aside your grudge and actually talk to me as an equal, not as some inferior. Or maybe even acknowledge me as your superior, since I clearly am.
 
Written By: Ott Scerb
URL: http://cluelessprof.maine.edu
Bryan, obviously I misunderstood your argument. I apologize for mis-stating it. I’m not positive I understand it. This was an ad, not something by a foreign government threatening the US like the Zimmerman telegram. I really don’t get it. Maybe it is geographical insensitivity on my part. Maybe I’m just reading through this too quickly. But as I told meagain, I’ll let it go. It seemed humorous to me (as did the parodies), but I tend to be one of those who never gets offended by any kind of humor, so perhaps I’m just being an insensitive lout. In any event, all this talk about vodka has convinced me it’s time for a nightcap. No Absolut, but I think I have some Skyy. Good night.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
And he’s not a history professor, by the way. He’s a political science professor
Oh, right. Momentarily forgotten. My mistake. I thought I remembered him having some academic interest in Germany’s history, so the Zimmermann telegram came to mind immediately.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net
It’s a shame that all the energy spent on a vodka ad couldn’t have been spent doing something that would actually have an impact, such as discrediting politicians by asking them questions about the wider issue. See my name’s link for some sample questions.
 
Written By: NoMoreBlatherDotCom
URL: http://NoMoreBlather.com
Now if it had been a 15 year old Single Malt Scotch Ad . . .
 
Written By: SShiell
URL: http://
OttScerb is my hero!!!
 
Written By: RedWhiteAndTrue
URL: http://www.myspace.com/ytpockets
Pogue - good man and good call with the Paddy. I was introduced to said beverage last April on my first trip to the mother land. My goodness it is a good whiskey!
 
Written By: meagain
URL: http://
This was an excellent ad from Absolut - super duper marketing, don’t you understand that?
 
Written By: American
URL: http://
He he he these are good ones. A bit crude but still the idea is there! Good Job!
 
Written By: Chimbles
URL: http://chimbles.com/?p=17
Absolut Denmark.
 
Written By: unaha-closp
URL: http://warisforwinning.blogspot.com/
The German one is all wrong. It should definitely show Germany going east all the way to the Volga, probably beyond, but Hitler had no designs on Italy, Spain or Portugal. Also why would Hitler not have grabbed Iceland once he had Britain and Scandinavia? Of course he would have. Think people.
 
Written By: vanya
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