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Obama’s PA quote
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, April 12, 2008

A lot is being made of a recent Obama quote in Pennsylvania. As with things political, there's quite a bit of hyperbole involved. But instead of just the line or two which seems to have offended most, I thought I'd put the whole quote up here, because, as I see it, there are several things to object too, not just that line. Some are specific to Obama and some are just general, but objectionable, and are indicative of a mindset which is disturbing. The whole quote also gives some context to the line everyone seems to be upset by, with both Clinton and McCain criticizing Obama for saying what he said:
OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work — don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by — it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But — so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is — so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing — to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.
Now, it's clear to me, given the full quote that Obama's talking about why some voters in PA are skeptical about political promises and government in general. And they're equally skeptical about who is delivering this message of political "hope" (his point about demographics). Because, given the promises of successive politicians of both parties who've gone on to the White House, the voters have seen nothing change. The same problems plague the same areas.

Now see, that's addressing a mindset. And that mindset he's claiming to address is one of waiting for someone else (or something else) to "fix" things for you. It's called 'wishing', as in "I wish the government would fix the job problem here". My dad used to say "if you have a pile of crap in one hand and a wish in the other, which do you suppose is worth more?"

Of course, as those in PA have seen, government hasn't fixed the job problem because government can't fix the job problem. Not that Obama, like that line of politicians who came before him, isn't going to promise to do so. Of course he is. It's that Obama is claiming to be different. Obama is the "wish fulfiller". You know, "Yes, we can" and all that rot. That's his claim. "Hope and change" will make it all come true. In fact, Obama ought to actually go to work for Disney.

Obama's right when he says another layer of skepticism is added when these promises are again delivered - not so much because he's 46, or black, but because he's another in a long line of politicians and they've heard it all before. But this is a handy way to inject race into the equation.

Nope, it's not because they're 'typical white persons", it's because they've seen the results of such promises, or lack thereof, for decades. What adds that layer of skepticism is the realization that regardless of which politician or which party delivers the claim that they'll "change" things and provide both "hope" and jobs, it's just more hot air.

And look at what he says in response to their skepticism. What does he promise to the question "what's this guy going to do for me" - the "concrete specifics" to help them? More general handwaving. Obama's going to "close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent". Obama's gonna give "tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American."

Closing tax loopholes and increasing taxes on the top 1% isn't going to do a thing for the people he's talking about. Nothing. And they know it.

It's money that will get lost somewhere in the bureaucracy, or end up in the earmark of a Congressmen to one of his favorites or some other over ambitious and underfunded boondoggle which will be of no direct benefit to anyone in the situation Obama describes. Tax breaks and health care aren't jobs. And Obama can't promise jobs, even though he, like all the rest who've passed through there, is going to do so.

So the skepticism is well earned, isn't it?

Then we get to the line everyone is talking about:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Frankly folks, for such a supposed gifted orator, his whole comment was rather, uh, confused. But this line was just awful. Bitterness leads to "guns, religion and antipathy to people who aren't like them?"

Perhaps that explains the religion of his church? The question, of course, is who keeps the bitterness simmering and why?

Perhaps the antipathy and anti-immigration sentiment comes from watching government once again failing to do what they perceive as its job, and watching people who aren't even supposed to be here gaming the system (anchor babies) and collecting money and benefits they don't believe they're due. They're certainly aware of where that money comes from.

And maybe their "anti-trade" sentiments are a reflection of the anti-NAFTA sentiments of the two leading Democratic contenders. Obama, as usual, implies he's for free-trade, when he has clearly come out against it.

Obama's definitely right that the voters of PA are frustrated, but not at all for the reasons he thinks. They're as frustrated with government being involved in things it shouldn't be. And they're equally frustrated with the constant failure of government to do what they consider to be its legitimate job, such as controlling immigration. They're tired of bureaucrats and politicians running every aspect of their lives. They're tired of the constant erosion of their rights and freedoms. If you want to know why guns are important to these people consider the size of government and its intrusiveness and the answer becomes plain to see. And what does a politician like Obama promise? Even more intrusion.

While the people there have finally realized "the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," they've also realized they aren't going to be replaced by politicians. And certainly not by a politician of Obama's ilk, regardless of age or color. Maybe PA's voters are realizing, finally, that it's up to them to make things happen, and that its government's job to get the hell out of the way.

Maybe the bitterness comes from the realization that with candidates like Obama and Clinton, that's an impossible dream. If you don't believe me, just read Obama's response:
"Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities. And if John McCain wants a debate about who's out of touch with the American people, we can start by talking about the tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans that he once said offended his conscience but now wants to make permanent,”
And:
“What we need is a government that is actually paying attention. A government that is fighting for working people day in and day out, making sure that we are trying to allow them to live out the American dream,” he said. “That’s what this campaign is about.”
What does that mean?! Words. Hand waving. Nebulous nonsense. Politics as usual and nothing changes. As I see it, the voter's skepticism and bitterness is more than justified.
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they cling to guns
Has this guy never heard of the Pennsylvania rifle? It’s history and culture, not frustration.

My brother joined the Air Force back in the 60’s. During qualifying on the rifle range he scored "Expert".

The Range Officer walked over to him and said, "Where you from?".

"Pennsylvania, Sir", he replied.

The RO asked, "Hell, does everyone in Pennsylvania own a gun?"

"Everyone I know, Sir", my brother responded.
 
Written By: Jay
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One of the very few assets Obama can claim is his oratory skill. But here he is, shoving his foot deep into his mouth. Maybe he only speaks well when he has a carefully prepared speech to read? If that’s the case, he’d have a hard time speaking with foreign heads of state.

Why should we hire this guy?
 
Written By: Steverino
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This is getting rediculous. I’m growing more convinced that we are in deep doo-doo if this guy wins in November. Post this clip of Glenn Beck talking about comments from Mrs. Obama, its great.
 
Written By: Jimmy the Dhimmi
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I can’t, for the life of me, see the cause for consternation...everyone I meet in the faculty lounge agrees with Barry O. Are you racist, sexist, bigot homophobes so thin-skinned that you can’t:
1) See the truth plainly before you; and
2) Understand that Barry O has a plan to save you from your bitter, gun-humpin’ Sister-grop’n, Bible-thump’n bitterness?

Honestly even in a faculty lounge in MAINE, it is obvious that Barry O is trying REDEEM, not DEMEAN you mouth breath’n God-Bag, Jeebus Worshippers.
 
Written By: Joe
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NOBODY WILL EVEN REMEMBER THIS ONCE THE ELECTION COMES AROUND. ONLY HARDCORE POLITICAL JUNKIES FOLLOW THIS STUFF. WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO US WINDS UP BEING INSIGNIFICANT TO EVERYONE ELSE
 
Written By: shark
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When I posted about this yesterday (from Pennsylvania), I had found the part ..
anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
.. as just breathe taking in regard to the fact that just the day before House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) had exercised the "nuclear option" and taken the Columbian Free Trade agreement out of contention for an up or down vote.

But why would Nancy Pelosi be frustrated or bitter ?

But alas, here was the leading contender for the Democratic nomination for POTUS basically saying that this was a cynical act, probably a cynical political act which was not in the interest of the nation, but nonetheless standard Democratic fare of the day.

I’ve noticed today, that many progressive sites seem to leave off the “anti-trade sentiment” portion of the quote, including Reuters.

Are all Democratic candidates so cynical of the voters that they fell free to distort their own positions publicly while secretly knowing that they would not support it themselves ?

Both Obama and Clinton have been sending this message now. Hiliary with Bill’s $800,000 for lobbying, Obama from his own mouth.

Am I bitter ? .. why shouldn’t I be bitter ?
 
Written By: Neo
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PS- Can Obama explain why the angriest and bitterest voters seem to be:

1) His well-off pastor
2) His well-off wife

I mean, for christ’s sake, his wife seems to have some real anger issues with the fact that she had to pay student loans off. Now maybe I’m missing something but that seems a real strange hill to die on.
 
Written By: shark
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Shark is right in that this will barely, if at all covered by the media and buried by November.

Blog readers often get a false sense of ’the word is out’ when it actually isn’t.
 
Written By: jpm100
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I’m channeling Jeremiah Wright, explaining these killer gaffes by Obama:

"That is Barack’s white half, now stay with me here, we’re still in Bible country, trying to destroy his black half, and we see this time and time again from rich white people, like Barack’s rich white half, doing all they can to destroy Barack’s poor black half. But no, no, no, no, no, it’s not going to work this time, because we are on to it."

[Trinity congregation rises in applause and shouting.]
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Joe — I was skimming through some liberal blog and one of the commenters presented the full context of Obama’s remark, as McQ did, and everyone agreed that the context made clear Obama’s brimming compassion towards the poor, beleaguered, unenlightened, small-town PA voters.

While Obamamania was still cresting a few months ago, I became seriously worried that Obama would win in November. But after I heard Michelle Obama’s "first time proud of my country" sound bite, I relaxed. There’s no way these radical ivy-leaguers can campaign for months without revealing the unconscious contempt they hold for typical white Americans.

Obama does a great job of concealing his thoughts when he knows he is walking through a political mine-field—as with Trinity church and Rev. Wright. But with the PA voters remark, Obama imagines that he is on safe, solid, good-guy ground, and so he speaks freely.

This is where Obama is most vulnerable. I still think his long-time participation in Rev. Wright’s church is damning, but that’s tricky ground all the way around. Push too hard on that one and it may boomerang. But these constant slights towards America and Americans outside the Obama demographic—black or elite or academic or young—are catching up with him.
 
Written By: huxley
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jpm100:
Shark is right in that this will barely, if at all covered by the media and buried by November.

Blog readers often get a false sense of ’the word is out’ when it actually isn’t.
Word of mouth is pretty strong stuff. It often determines, for instance, whether newly released movies succeed or not.

The more determinative thing about the impact of any given revelation is how easily digested it is. Will people be able to get it in an instant, because if it’s a complicated matter, its velocity will slow, and it won’t be suited for passing around.

Harder issues take longer, and professional confusers can mitigate their impact.

But Obama’s remarks about bitter Pennsylvanians will have instant impact with gun owners and church goers, who will be repulsed by the suggestion that their attachments to guns and church are the result of their bitter sense of the government having failed them.

That’s a pretty rotten slap to their faces.

And it will still be fresh in the closing weeks of the November election, and could make the difference in a couple of states, but it’s too far out to know where the race will be at that time, or even who the candidate will be.

 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Shark is right in that this will barely, if at all covered by the media and buried by November.
Actually, I was just doing Erb so he didn’t have to.

And he’s totally wrong too - the media doesn’t really have to cover it. Word will get around.

Audacity Q. HopeandChange is unelectable in the general.
 
Written By: shark
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"...big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long..."

As in ’the proletariat has been exploited by the capitalists’?

"our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives"

Of course. The vast majority of working class and middle class people in this country have been oppressed and exploited and have lived in abject poverty for so long that they hve given up hope that they or their children can live a decent life. Perhaps building a future for yourself and your family is another of those jobs that Americans won’t do.

"you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks"

Assuming his definition of toughest means crime and poverty ridden, it is my understanding that in the toughest neighborhoods there wasn’t much working going on, which is why they are the toughest. His opinion of working-class folks doesn’t seem to be very high.


"One of the very few assets Obama can claim is his oratory skill."

Not much evidence of that here.

 
Written By: timactual
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Heard someone claim that at least he knows when he’s stepped in it, as Sen. Obama tried to dig his way out of the hole...

I can’t only think in response "A smarter man would know better than to step in it in the first place..."
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Actually, I was just doing Erb so he didn’t have to.

And he’s totally wrong too - the media doesn’t really have to cover it. Word will get around.

Audacity Q. HopeandChange is unelectable in the general.
When I look at how many people believed Huckabee was a conservative, I question that.

I see too many people believe we’re in the midst of an ongoing recession instead of a downturn that could become one even though all the macro stats so far are not out of line with the past 15 years.

Obama may have lost some of the middle, but they haven’t even started to tear McCain apart yet.
Word of mouth is pretty strong stuff. It often determines, for instance, whether newly released movies succeed or not.
They have solution for that. The studios don’t pit their big movies against each other anymore. They take turns each weekend forcing the movie going audience to have no choice but to see the next big thing each weekend. Most movies now get a big first weekend haul regardless.

In the case of Obama, its out of the Media headlines and he got away with it without a 60 minutes moment. Putting out of the headlines is about making you feel out of place for still being concerned about it.
 
Written By: jpm100
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While reading the full quote, I wondered what would happen if this quote -

"Because everybody just ascribes it to ’white working-class don’t wanna work "

Was spoken by McCain and changed to -

"Because everybody just ascribes it to ’black working-class don’t wanna work"

Would McCain even make it through the next day?
 
Written By: meagain
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As a native Pennsylvanian, I think Obama greatly misunderstands the mindset of my more rural neighbors. The areas outside of the large cities have been populated with independent-minded people for generations, long before the collapse of the coal and manufacturing industries. The Appalachian counties in particular are home to people who very much desire the cheap living and independence the rural areas provide, as well as the close-knit atmosphere of the small towns. Religion and firearms aren’t reactions to economic decline, but the are result of generation upon generation of people brought up to be simultaneously independent and strongly tied to the community through religious beliefs and culture.

Some amount of xenophobia and racism is present, I’ll be the first to admit, but Obama’s policies vis a vis immigration and trade are doing nothing to quell those impulses. Obama, and the Democratic Party as a whole, has spent a considerable amount of time blaming foreign competition for the decline of traditional manufacturing industries, something that certainly fans the flames of xenophobic hatreds. Illegal immigration has also been a hot-button issue in rural areas of Pennsylvania of late, and a dislike of illegal immigrants seems to be mistaken for a general hatred of foreigners all too often.
 
Written By: InebriatedArsonist
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"Perhaps that explains the religion of his church? The question, of course, is who keeps the bitterness simmering and why?"

I think it explains his church to some extent because his church (and related black social activism) seems based on the notion that you support people by going on about what victims they are.

Also, consider the way that hyping the soldier as a helpless victim/child is supposed to be "supporting" troops.

Obama is just "supporting" (as huxley said) "the poor, beleaguered, unenlightened, small-town PA voters."

 
Written By: Synova
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Full-on agreement, Bruce.
But did you notice Geoffry Garin’s comments about Obama’s quotes?
"They will be damaging. And they could be significantly so...I don’t think that the kinds of attitudes that Senator Obama expressed are consistent with Democrats doing what we need to do to win a general election."
Note the way it’s parsed. He’s not saying Democrats don’t hold those views, because he can’t; He knows it’s not true, particularly given what we find on Obama’s website of late. (Yeah, OK, different thread)

But what he DOES concentrate on is getting Democrats elected.

I’ll tell you true; Obama’s going to get by with this nonsense, and here’s why: Nothing unusual at all for those outside the Democrat party to see such views being expressed by a presumptive Democrat presidential nominee, having seen it so often at every other level of the party in this and every other election cycle for the last dozen at least. I’ve commented on it, and so have you. I’ve even taken some ’the other side does it too" nonsense for it just recently.

Those inside the Democrat party, particularly those to the far left wing or in the Jeremiah Wright wing of the party, agree with the man and see nothing wrong with what he said at all, and his position is thus firmer with them. And we certainly saw enough of it from the rank and file on Obama’s web site to give the concept some reinforcement.

There’s something else, here too. Obama looks with disdain on those in rural America who don’t trust government, as if that’s a bad thing. He says he’d like to change that... and I’m sure he would. More power to the government with that trust. But you know... If I’m McCain I’m capitalizing on that point, by saying the mistrust is a healthy thing for a free society. I doubt he’ll do that, sadly, but there it is.

So what do we have here, in the end?
Just one more reason why Democrats need to be defeated.





 
Written By: Bithead
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Bithead — Do you really think Obama is getting away with this? I agree that he won’t feel compelled to apologize or drop out of the race. No, that’s not going to happen.

But I do think these gaffes are cumulative and when layered in with Rev. Wright, his church, his wife, knowing Weather Underground terrorists on a first name basis, his decision not to wear a flag pin, etc. etc., it’s going to force his unfavorables up and drag his campaign down. Personally I believe—knock on wood—Obama is already unelectable in November.

Obama’s biggest problem is that his experience is so limited to audiences and associates who are anti-American that Obama, try as he might, is tone-deaf to his own anti-Americanism. In this latest gaffe Obama clearly thought he was being insightful and sensitive to the plight of small town Pennsylvanians. He was being supportive, as Synova notes.

There are over six months to the general. Obama will be campaigning non-stop, he will be tired, he will be constantly on call to have something insightful to say, and most of the time there will microphones and recorders on when he does talk.
 
Written By: huxley
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Personally I believe—knock on wood—Obama is already unelectable in November.
Huxley, I agree with you that he is a person that should never be considered for the office of the Presidencey, much less the Senate. Now, take a trip over to visit the KOS kidz, or DU, or Huffington Post, or FireDog Lake - they can’t understand why anyone would ever vote for a Republican regardless of the name. To them he is not only eminently electable, they can’t understand why anyone would doubt it!
 
Written By: SShiell
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Lately there’s been a little typical sort of political flare-up because I said something that everybody knows is true...

Daddy Obama Understands
It’s almost hard to believe but Obama is digging himself in deeper with his small town PA voters comments. Instead of a straightforward apology he just puts some positive spin on what he said, as though he cherishes these poor bitter voters and their understandable responses to turn to God, guns and anger in the face of the mess in Washington—a mess that Obama is here to solve if only they will understand that fact and rise above their feelingness of hopelessness and anger to support him.

The video in the above link is short and well worth watching. The commentary is good too. I’ve seen references to this speech in the media, but they chop it up and most of the impact is lost.

I think the picture of Obama’s "typical" manipulation is coming into focus. Anytime he is criticized, instead of meeting that criticism directly Obama turns it into a symptom of the sad divisions in America that can only be solved by focusing on what he wants us to focus on and in the way he wants us to focus, and then we see that our only choice is to support unity, i.e. Obama.

He’s a clever, slimy pol. By November, I think the majority of Americans will be able to see that clearly.
 
Written By: huxley
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Obama’s only major contact with religious people are those at Trinity UCC. From the "GD AmeriKKKa", I get the sense that they may be frustrated and bitter, so by obvious extension .. what guns are they clinging to ?
 
Written By: Neo
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Do you really think Obama is getting away with this? Do you really think Obama is getting away with this? I agree that he won’t feel compelled to apologize or drop out of the race. No, that’s not going to happen.

But I do think these gaffes are cumulative and when layered in with Rev. Wright, his church, his wife, knowing Weather Underground terrorists on a first name basis, his decision not to wear a flag pin, etc. etc., it’s going to force his unfavorables up and drag his campaign down.
Yeah, I’m afraid I do think he’ll get by with it. SShiell says it well, but I’ll put it to you this way:

Look, with any non-far-left-whacko candidate, the other gaffes you list would have been enough to end both the campaign and career of the candidate. But he’s gotten by with everything, thus far, hasn’t he? Mostly, I attribute it to his supporters not basing their support on fact, but increasingly, I’ve begun to suspect it’s because the rank and file find agreement with his "more controversial’ statements. The sources SShiell mentions, along with what I see in the MSM, and in those Democrats I talk to, confirms it for me.

I back that idea with a question: What is it he said as regards PA (And I think we may assume he’s talking about rural America) is out of line with what we’ve known about the perceptions of Democrats of mainstream America, all along? I’ve read it several times, Hud, and I gotta tell ya; I find NOTHING significantly out of line with the positions we’ve always been critical of Democrats for in the past. This is stuff those of us on the right, (With a couple notable exceptions) have always known, and have commented on. What Obama said was nothing new.

And the left agrees with the man when he says stuff like that. So, you tell me... where’s the harm for him?
 
Written By: Bithead
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Afterthought;
I just ran across something DavidL wrote this morning, quoting Newt Gingrich. Now, I have my problems with Gingrich, but he gets this one spot on:
If you go to the most expensive private school in Hawaii and then move on to Columbia University and Harvard Law School, you may not understand normal Americans. Their beliefs are so alien to your leftwing viewpoint that you have to seek some psychological explanation for what seem to be weird ideas.

They can’t really believe in the right to bear arms.

They can’t really believe in traditional marriage.

They can’t really believe in their faith in God.

They can’t really want to enforce the law on immigration.

Therefore, they must be “bitter” and “frustrated.”
Like I said, spot on; they AGREE with Obama when he says these things. Remember, Hud, that such campaign stops are more or less preaching to the choir... these are people who ahve already made up their minds to support the man, else they’d not BE there. And if you look at the tape of the thing, without the editing, you’ll notice that they treated Obama after he’d said these things, like he was speaking soem great truth. They do so because to them, it IS truth.

No, it’s not going to hurt him.

 
Written By: Bithead
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Bithead — To be sure, the DU, Kos, Firedoglake folks and today’s yellow dog Democrats aren’t going to change their tune on Obama unless he turns hard to the right, which he won’t, of course.

However, it’s the independents and the swing voters who determine presidential elections. If you look at these Ramussen polls:

Favorabe/Unfavorable
Election matchups

You can see that Obama has been hurt with pastorgate and now snobgate, and that there has been a significant erosion of Obama’s numbers. (I wouldn’t go by Rasmussen’s absolute numbers, by the way, but by the relative moments of those numbers.)

A presidential election is like football — a game of yards and inches. Obama has lost his innocence and his momentum in the past few months. That’s a lot. I remember how eerily invincible he looked in January.
 
Written By: huxley
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Bithead — You and Gingrich are correct. To Obama and leftist Democrats, the values of ordinary Americans are absurd, and therefore must be explained in terms of emotional deficits.

When I started turning away from the left after 9-11, the first thing my leftist friends did was to go after me psychologically—I was afraid, I was angry, I was having a mid-life crisis, I was being contrarian, it was Christianity’s fault etc.

I rather resented it. I also couldn’t help but notice that my friends did not have good answers on the issues that concerned me and they usually were not informed. It was easier to attack me psychologically than to take on the issues.
 
Written By: huxley
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huxley:
there has been a significant erosion of Obama’s numbers.
There’s no question that the bloom is clearly off the Obama rose.

He is becoming increasingly ordinary, and all the BS caked up around him (the thrill running up Chris Matthews leg) is getting pretty transparent.

On the other hand, he is becoming a power politician, with half of the Democratic establishment behind him.

But the most important thing, now, vis a vis the nomination, is that Obama is extremely vulnerable.

As horrible as the Clintons look, you cannot scorch a scar.

Obama is perfectly set up to take a fall. For instance, suppose Rezko cops a plea and implicates Obama to get himself off the hook? I haven’t been following the trial and don’t even know what the dynamics of the thing are, but Obama could not stand up to a serious blow like that. It could even get to him after he wins the nomination, even after the convention. He would have to withdraw, a la Eagleton in ’72.

I think that Obama is very beatable in the general election, but I think it’s still a question whether he’ll get the nomination (with the extreme possibility I mention above even if he does get). Never forget who his opponents are. Their lassitude in this contest is inexplicable, but sometimes they don’t get going until they’re seemingly buried.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Well, if you’re McCain, the beauty is, you can sit back and watch these two expose their true natures, thus destroying their own chances in the GE.

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Eric:
Well, if you’re McCain, the beauty is, you can sit back and watch these two expose their true natures, thus destroying their own chances in the GE.
If the Clintons make it to the general, they’ll have a good shot against McCain.

The GOP has problems with the Clintons. All that talk about how Hillary would rally the base, making her the easier one to beat, I never bought that. I know that Democrats started believing it; hence the large shift to Obama.

But I don’t believe it.

Plus, McCain was really a much better candidate in 2000.

Now he’s an old shoe that voters will go with if the Democrats try to force Obama on the country.

The Clintons, horror show that they are, know how to sink to depths that even your average corrupt politician wouldn’t believe you could get to and remain a member of the human race, let alone become President of the United States.

That’s why their lagging campaign right now is so perplexing. One thing that would explain it is that they have a final card to play on Obama that they know will finish him off no matter what and they’re just waiting for the right moment to play it — or to have someone else play it for them. It has to be the kind of card that has black voters saying, "Oh, yeah, we can’t let him be president," so that they turn back to Hillary.

Short of something like that, there’s no explanation for their backstroking campaign.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
The Clintons, horror show that they are, know how to sink to depths that even your average corrupt politician wouldn’t believe you could get to and remain a member of the human race, let alone become President of the United States.
Mmmph.

You’re correct of course, but therein lies the point. That Democrats will deal with such corruption out of hand, will the rest of us?

I’m not convinced the center can be sold on Clinton anymore. Hell, I’m not convinced half the Democrats can be so convinced, either.



 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Other than my prediction that Obama is a lost cause in November because I just can’t see Americans electing such a bizarre, ambivalent-on-America candidate, I really don’t know how this election is going to play out.
 
Written By: huxley
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Now we get the real MO of a President Obama ..

If he screws up it’s "Shame on You" not him.

After a good does of Trinity UCC and Rev Wright, Obama has gone a long way with dispersing "white guilt," so he should expect limited results.
 
Written By: Neo
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i wonder if anyone has considered that maybe the real scandal with this obama thing should be that one of hillary or mccains agents taped it. What is the difference between taping without permission at a private party function and in a private party hotel room? It is is ethically equivalent to watergate, secretly taping someone on their own rented event facility for political purposes.
 
Written By: Marc
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I guess this is why Colin Powell’s wife threatened to leave him if he ran for President.She saw the latent racism that is still present in the nation.Obama is now experiencing this racism which has a facade of many faces.He is no better nor worse than any of the persons who have been President or who are now running for the post.

 
Written By: JG
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