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Corrupt unions. Who woulda thought? |
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Don
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Jon: The voting in question isn’t just to "establish a union." It’s to force everyone at a given company to join a union (or at least have their union dues deducted from their pay and given to the union), whether they want to be represented by any union or not. The issue is whether those objecting to being represented by a union in their job relationship will be compelled to submit to such representation or not.
Thus, compulsion is what these votes are really all about: Secret ballots (which make identification for later retaliation more difficult) help prevent compulsion in an election that’s all about compulsion. Thug enforcers don’t know whose kneecaps to break if there’s been a secret ballot. Obviously the guys who give the thugs their instructions would rather prohibit secret ballots. |
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Beldar
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I agree, Beldar. I think the right to unionize is valuable, important and worth defending. (though, you could have a very interesting debate about why we should prevent business from colluding, but allow labor to collude)
But there’s a lot of difference between voluntary, cooperative unionizing and closed shop unions whose monopoly is enforced by law. |
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Jon Henke
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Actually you’re pretty much compelled to join a union or have you wage deducted regardless in some states if there is one (idk, could be Ontario I’m thinking of). I think the legislation centers on creating a public vote. Meaning if you vote against it, you will be subject to some retaliation. |
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jpm100
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Actually you’re pretty much compelled to join a union or have you wage deducted regardless in some states if there is one (idk, could be Ontario I’m thinking of) Slightly more than half of the fifty states are union-shop states. The card check stupidity is one more reason not to vote for both Hillary and Obama, considering they both supported that abomination. |
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InebriatedArsonist
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Should be "union and/or agency-shop states." Oh, well. |
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Written By:
InebriatedArsonist
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Wingnuts of course hate unions. For several different reasons. That caveat needs to be added to any discussion of unions.
Having said that, they continue to be some of the most democratic institutions in this country.
Irocinically, in criticizing unions, Mr. Henke cites two sites apparently supported by - of all things - union members.
But then we get this beauty: Apparently, Unions can’t manage their own internal elections without widespread fraud. ("violation[s] of multiple federal laws" that "undermines member democracy.") Mr. Henke’s "bar stool" generalization about unions sounds like my drunk uncle at X-mas.
Get a grip on your animosity against unions, Mr. Henke.
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mkultra
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Henke: "I think the right to unionize is valuable, important and worth defending."
MK: "Get a grip on your animosity against unions, Mr. Henke."
Gosh. Compelling argument, that, MK.
Is there something wrong with secret ballet requirements for unions we need to know about, MK, or do you just reflexively oppose anything said by some people without particularly thinking about it?
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Written By:
Jeremy Bowers
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Yeah MK, less than ten percent of the private sector is unionized, and that’s because ninety-plus percent of American workers think unions aren’t in their best interests. You’re defending THAT? Maybe if unions weren’t frozen in time by the law they would be able to evolve into something consistent with the economics of this century, and thereby become more relevant and useful to more working people.
It could still happen you know. |
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peter jackson
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Henke: "I think the right to unionize is valuable, important and worth defending."
MK: "Get a grip on your animosity against unions, Mr. Henke."
Gosh. Compelling argument, that, MK.
Is there something wrong with secret ballet requirements for unions we need to know about, MK, or do you just reflexively oppose anything said by some people without particularly thinking about it? I don’t believe that the post contains the purported quote from Mr. Henke.
Moreover, Mr. Henke cites no source to support the proposition that he marks as truth, that every union - which is what is he saying - wants a secret vote.
IOW, Mr. Henke is lying. But given that he worked for George Allen, should we be surprised? |
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mkultra
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...do you just reflexively oppose anything said by some people without particularly thinking about it? You figured him out fairly quickly (not that it’s particularly difficult to do so).IOW, Mr. Henke is lying. But given that he worked for George Allen, should we be surprised? This is MK’s new whine. Poor little moonbat had to cancel his susbscription to The Atlantic because Jon guest blogged there. |
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McQ
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I don’t believe that the post contains the purported quote from Mr. Henke. The quote was in the comment section. Surely you read that?Mr. Henke cites no source to support the proposition that he marks as truth, that every union - which is what is he saying - wants a secret vote. Jon never said anything of the sort. You are the one who’s lying, not Jon.Mr. Henke’s "bar stool" generalization about unions sounds like my drunk uncle at X-mas. No, mk, you’re the one who makes "bar stool" generalizations. And would that you sounded merely drunk!
What do you have to say about the multiple frauds in union elections Jon linked to?
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Written By:
Steverino
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I received a ballot a couple weeks ago for electing people to our newly-formed adjunct faculty union at the college I teach at. It had exactly one candidate listed for each available spot. Some jobs had multiple spots and multiple candidates, but the candidates listed would exactly have filled all the slots if they all won. There was, in short, zero choice. I felt like I was in the Soviet Union or Iraq under Saddam Hussein. They wanted the members to rubber-stamp the choices of a small cadre of people who had happened to show up for some meetings just after the union formed.
I don’t care all that much, because I’m not joining the union. They are supposed to be representing my interests, though, and it would have been nice for the union members to have had a chance to have a real vote. |
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Written By:
Jeremy Pierce
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http://parableman.net
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