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Defining Obama
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, April 16, 2008

Stephen Bainbridge does it about as well as I've seen it done:
When I think about Obama, I am reminded of Richard Epstein’s observation that in order to remain politically viable modern socialists no longer advocate direct government ownership of production. Instead, modern socialism operates on two different levels: “At a personal level, it speaks to the alienation of the individual, stressing the need for caring and sharing and the politics of meaning. At a regulatory level, it seeks to identify specific sectors in which there is a market failure and then to subject them to various forms of government regulation.” Sounds a lot like Obama’s stump speech to me.
"Bitter voters" anyone? "Windfall" taxes?
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The current focus on Pennsylvania, dominated by working-class white voters, in this year’s freakish Democratic nomination battle has obscured the larger political reality driving Obama’s rhetoric: The Democrats have written off these voters on a national level.

The Dems have cobbled together a coalition of upper-class elites and heavily black and latino government employee unions, and they no longer count middle-class private sector workers among their coalition.
 
Written By: Aldo
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Having read no more of Epstein than what I see right there, I say that he’s on his way to a crucial insight, which is that it is the far more general ethical and political principle of collectivism that renders all attempts at distinguishing "socialism" from "fascism" absolutely impertinent.

Y’all can all run for your dictionaries now, and let the sneering begin.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Billy, it looks to me that fascism won out. The word socialism still has less baggage (better PR?), but reality has removed real socialism from consideration, and even the PRC appears more fascist than socialist.
 
Written By: Don
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I think his point is that for the most part, the two are indistinguishable under the banner of collectivism.
 
Written By: McQ
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For me, the key insight is that all varieties of forced collectivism end up the same. It does not matter whether the collectivism is rationalized inspired by racism, national greatness or "the brotherhood of man", the end result is the same totalitarian misery.

It does not matter either, whether the collectivism is done all at once, or little bite by little bite.
 
Written By: newshutz
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I don’t think even Obama himself would argue with that characterization. He wears at as a badge of honor.
 
Written By: the wolf
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Classic.

Wingnuts go on and on and on about the evils of "socialism" when they reality is that they are as socialistic at it gets, when it comes to socializing risk. The Bear Stearns bailout being only the latest example. Conservatives see no problem with socialism in that context, i.e., passing on the ownership of private debt to the public. It is only when the street runs the other way, i.e., socializing profit, that they get their undies in a bunch.

From the WSJ editorial board:
“These columns prefer the discipline of the market, but then we don’t know all of the facts that regulators confronted as they looked at Bear’s troubles. Specifically, we don’t know if letting Bear collapse might have had a domino effect on others in the debt and derivative markets….The overriding public interest at the current moment is to maintain a functioning financial system, and regulators clearly felt this was at risk from a Bear failure. Just once we’d like to see what would happen if a big bank did fail, but the current general market panic arguably isn’t the best time to have that experiment.”
Read it again: the government must bail out Bear in the interest of the public good.

This is socialism in its most pure form. It is, as Bainbridge would say, "a market failure and [subjected to] various forms of government regulation." And it was the right wing leading the charge. And it is Obama who is the socialist.

Orwell would be proud.

Tell you what, when Obama nationalizes big oil and big pharm, you might have a point. Until then, hypocrisy is the word of the day.

If we can have socialism for the rich, why not socialism for the poor?

 
Written By: mkultra
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Classic.
Indeed.

Classic MK.
Orwell would be proud.
Why, is he watching you?
If we can have socialism for the rich, why not socialism for the poor?
Well, you’re always good for missing the point completely, and this is no exception. Well done, my favorite moonbat. BTW, still getting the Atlantic?
 
Written By: McQ
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Well, you’re always good for missing the point completely, and this is no exception. Well done, my favorite moonbat. BTW, still getting the Atlantic?
Nope - like I said, I cancelled it. I don’t like racists or the people who work for them. And I don’t like buying anything who allow these kind of people to post there.

One of your fellow southerners called Obama a "boy" the other day. Like I said before, by fall, the "N" word will be regular currency for you right wingers. And yes, I know you condemned the guy, but only because he was being "stupid" - I noticed you didn’t use the word "racist" at all.

Now, the point of this post was that Obama is a socialist because he said middle and lower class workers were bitter and because he is calling for certain taxes.

My point was that you have a very limited, very wingnut-like understanding of what socialism is. Too much Fox News I suppose.

That you miss my point is par for the course.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Nope - like I said, I cancelled it.
Well that’s nice ... I’m sure the IQ of the readership went up dramatically as a result.
One of your fellow southerners called Obama a "boy" the other day.
Yeah, I know. Missed your pithy but normally uninformed comments about it too.
Now, the point of this post was that Obama is a socialist because he said middle and lower class workers were bitter and because he is calling for certain taxes.
Uh, no ... but thanks for trying ... again.
My point was that you have a very limited, very wingnut-like understanding of what socialism is.
Yeah, but see, you have the moonbat proclivity for poor reading skills and as a result completely missing the point of posts - and you’ve done it yet again.
That you miss my point is par for the course.
LOL! You’re priceless. A true loon, but still priceless.
 
Written By: McQ
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Bainbridge, who is sometimes ok, is deep in the weeds. And you sound ridiculous. Government regulation = socialism? So John McCain, the "Teddy Roosevelt Republican" is a socialist?


There hasn’t been an unregulated first-world economy in two hundred years, so you’ve managed to build a definition of socialism so broad that it includes every politician in America and all non-libertarians. In other words, you’ve made a cariacture out of the concept and reduced its analytical value to zero. Great work.
 
Written By: glasnost
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Government regulation = socialism?
Geez ... that’s not what he’s saying. For heaven sake read the quote.
 
Written By: McQ
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LOL! You’re priceless. A true loon, but still priceless.
And you are someone who condems a racist not for being racist, but for being stupid by making it so public.

How sad.
 
Written By: mkultra
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What is it with you Southerners? Why do you still harbor such animosity toward persons such as Obama?

I mean I get the heritage issue. But still.
 
Written By: mkultra
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What is it with you Southerners? Why do you still harbor such animosity toward persons such as Obama?
Nice racist stereotype, MK. You can safely resubscribe to the Atlantic now.
 
Written By: McQ
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What is it with you Southerners? Why do you still harbor such animosity toward persons such as Obama?
You don’t have to be from the South to be able to see through a hustler like Obama. But then maybe we don’t have The Saviour-blinders on like you folks up North.
 
Written By: SShiell
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nd you are someone who condemns a racist not for being racist, but for being stupid by making it so public.
My god, learn to read. He was condemning him for making a comment which would be construed as racist, even though it wasn’t meant to be racist. Intentions matter, you illiterate imbecile.
 
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