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"Don’t tell me words don’t matter!"
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, April 17, 2008

Or said another way, "I want to have it both ways:"
'I think what’s important is to make sure that we don’t get so obsessed with gaffes that we lose sight of the fact that this is a defining moment in our history,' - Barack Obama, April 16 debate.
Yup, words only "matter" when they're words Obama wants to use. If not, then they're "distractions", the obsessions of others we don't need to deal with.
 
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Only certain words matter, i.e., those spoken by Democrats.

Which is why when John McCain repeatedly - not just once, but repeatedly - confuses al qaeda, shia, sunnis, Iran, Iraq etc. - he should be hauled on the carpet by the mainstream media, and the blogosphere. Because, unlike Obama’s singular "gaffe," i.e., an offhand comment amounting to amateur pop psychology, the nature of our enemy matters.

But McCain is not so hauled.

So then one is left to conclude that only some words matter. Because if all words mattered, McCain would have been laughed out of this election a long time ago.

And more to point, what issues has Obama misspoke about? Remember when Jerry Ford said there is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe? It was a gaffe, but it was a gaffe about something important. An issue. The cold war. Likewise, when McCain says Iran is training AQI, it should matter, because it is about the nature of the war we are in.

As for the rest of it, the debate last night was not about anything Obama said. It was about what others who Obama knows said. And that’s the question. Is what Ayers did or said, which Obama has not endorsed, more relevant than a debate about Iraq, or health care, or what have you? Of course not.

Now, to wingnuts it is. Because they don’t want the focus to be on the war, or health care, or the economy. Because those are loser issues for them. So they want to stay focused on this stuff. Which is why Hannity told Snuffy to ask the question about Ayers. He didn’t tell him to ask about the recent intra-Shia violence, or the Bear Stearns bailout, or the Patreaus/Crocker testimony, or any other recent development.

And, moreover, wingnuts really believe that Obama is a terrorist who hates America. They really believe this. So it fits their worldview.

But if all words mattered, McCain would be done by now. The man doesn’t have a clue. So yes - words do matter, but only some words.

But it’s also about something else. It’s about race.

It’s about what the GOP congressman from Kentucky called Obama the other day. He called him a "boy." And if he is willing to say it in public, you can bet a nickel that most wingnuts are saying worse - words - in private. Which is why the focus is on the words of other black people Obama knows and has associated with. The public must be constantly reminded that Obama is a "boy" and he has associated with other "boys" as well.

It’s just going to get uglier. If a GOP Congressman is willing to call Obama a "boy" in April, can you imagine the racism that will manifest itself by October?
 
Written By: mkultra
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Seriously, do the QandO bloggers really need to allow MK to spew this filth all over the blog?
 
Written By: JWG
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Only certain words matter, i.e., those spoken by Democrats.
I know that’s what you believe ... that’s what’s funny about all of this.
But if all words mattered, McCain would be done by now.
And so would Obama and Clinton. Funny, huh?
It was about what others who Obama knows said. And that’s the question. Is what Ayers did or said, which Obama has not endorsed, more relevant than a debate about Iraq, or health care, or what have you?
You tell me MK - what don’t we know about their positions on Iraq, health care or what have you?

Sorry ... but what the ’debate’ covered was the news between that debate and the last one. You know, the inconvenient truths that Democrats don’t want anyone to know about.
It’s just going to get uglier.
Yes, it is ... and it all started with words spoken by Democrats.
If a GOP Congressman is willing to call Obama a "boy" in April, can you imagine the racism that will manifest itself by October?
Shucks, he was just tryin’ to give South Carolina Bill Clinton a little competition - or relief - whichever.
 
Written By: McQ
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Seriously, do the QandO bloggers really need to allow MK to spew this filth all over the blog?

Do you take it seriously, JWG?

Look you have to have a pet moonbat to know what the swarm is using for talking points that day, and MK faithfully regurgitates them here daily (whether they make sense or not).

It beats a subscription to "Moonbat Daily".
 
Written By: McQ
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I’m impressed that mk stayed semi on-point with this particular rant instead of inserting his usual non-sequiturs about evil Boosh.

 
Written By: the wolf
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It’s just going to get uglier. If a GOP Congressman is willing to call Obama a "boy" in April, can you imagine the racism that will manifest itself by October?
Eh. Can’t get any worse than Obama’s spiritual advisor and close personal friend Rev Wright
 
Written By: shark
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In Dean Barnett’s review of Glenn Greenwald’s new book Great American Hypocrites, he ends with an apt observation. One that I think correctly defines much of the left.
Many of Greenwald’s fans will probably take delight in his description of Rush Limbaugh as a "draft-avoiding, illegal-pill-addicted and multiple-divorced (man) burdened with one of the most decadent and degraded lives of any public figure anywhere." Whether they take note of the irony that a mere two pages later Greenwald decries our "attack-based personality-obsessed politics" is an open question.
The answer is either "No" or "they don’t care". MK certainly fits the profile Barnett deftly draws. Words do matter, but only those words, and only the interpretation of those words, approved by like-minded ’reality-based’ people. Not surprisingly, the sole governing criteria is whether those words help the left and/or hurt the right, irrespective of just how convoluted the path or tortured the logic is to arrive at the desired (predetermined) "conclusion."
 
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And so would Obama and Clinton. Funny, huh?
Really? So what Obama said - voters are bitter - disqualifies him to be president. I don’t think most people would agree. OTOH, not knowing who our enemy is in a war is something that should disqualify one to be in charge of said war.
Sorry ... but what the ’debate’ covered was the news between that debate and the last one. You know, the inconvenient truths that Democrats don’t want anyone to know about.
The last debate was either three days ago - if you call it a debate - or at the end of February.

Let’s assume it was the end of February. Okay. So what has happened since then? The incursion into Basra. The riots in Tibet. Bear Stearns bailout. The Patreaus/Crocker testimony. And so forth. Major events, with nationwide implications.

By contrast, Wright’s remarks were made years ago. Moreover, Obama made a major speech about it a few weeks ago in the very state where the debate was held last night. He talked about Wright at the fourm three days ago. If you don’t think Pennsylvania votes don’t know about the issue, and his position, you have got to have a screw loose.

As for Ayers, the Weather Underground disbanded years ago. Moreover, his association with Ayers has been a matter of public record for years. "News" - by its very definition - is new information. How in the world is an association from several years ago that was a matter of public record "news"?

Look, I know why you are just fine with the questions being asked. The goal is to paint Obama as an American-hating black radical - not because of anything he has done or said, but because of whom he associated with. (Which is what the GOP would do to any black man running for the presidency - with the exception of Allan Keyes, of course.) Why don’t you just have the guts to admit it, instead of relying on the weaker-than-weak "news" argument?
Yes, it is ... and it all started with words spoken by Democrats.
Which Democrat called Obama a "boy"?
The answer is either "No" or "they don’t care". MK certainly fits the profile Barnett deftly draws. Words do matter, but only those words, and only the interpretation of those words, approved by like-minded ’reality-based’ people. Not surprisingly, the sole governing criteria is whether those words help the left and/or hurt the right, irrespective of just how convoluted the path or tortured the logic is to arrive at the desired (predetermined) "conclusion."
’I think what’s important is to make sure that we don’t get so obsessed with gaffes that we lose sight of the fact that this is a defining moment in our history,’ - Barack Obama, April 16 debate.
Like McQ, you need a reading lesson.

Obama didn’t say that words don’t matter. What he said was that we shouldn’t get so obsessed with some words that we lose sight of the bigger issues.

There is a stark difference between saying words don’t matter at all, and saying we shouldn’t get obsessed with something. McQ, of course, doesn’t understand the difference, and apparently neither do you.

Indeed, Obama even defended Clinton on her Sniper fire memory last night.

And if words matter so much, I’m still waiting for an explanation of why McCain’s inability to understand who our enemy is less of a problem than Obama’s gaffe. Please explain.


 
Written By: mkultra
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Really? So what Obama said - voters are bitter - disqualifies him to be president.
No, Obama’s dissembling about his 23 year relationship with Wright took care of that.
By contrast, Wright’s remarks were made years ago.
When did they hit the news, MK?

Oh, and on Basra, Petraeus and Iraq they answered the questions.

Clinton - I’ll begin the withdrawal immediately without any consideration on the ground.

Obama - I will have all combat forces out in 16 months.

So, what’s to discuss - their minds are made up. Basra is irrelevant to the Democratic candidates - or did you miss that?
As for Ayers, the Weather Underground disbanded years ago.
So’d the KKK ... tell me the Republican you’d give a pass too today if he were associating with David Duke.
Look, I know why you are just fine with the questions being asked.
You bet I was ... and I know you were raging at the TV set.

Like I said, inconvenient little truths the moonbats would just as soon see left hidden and unexplored.

Instead we get this disingenuous claptrap about wanting to hear the "issues" discussed when, if you’ve listend to even one of the previous debates, you could probably recite by heart while noting that there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the two of them.

Maybe this isn’t what you wanted, MK, but as you might be discovering, this isn’t all about you.

There’s no crying (or whining) in politics.
Which Democrat called Obama a "boy"?
None that I know of, yet. But again, I’ll refer you to the Bill Clinton escapades in SC. You can’t shake your finger at anyone when it was Democrats who introduced race into the primaries no matter how much you’d like to try. And yeah, now you have to live with that.
There is a stark difference between saying words don’t matter at all, and saying we shouldn’t get obsessed with something. McQ, of course, doesn’t understand the difference, and apparently neither do you.
Well I reject the premise anyone is obsessed with his words. What most are obsessed with are answers to questions, something Mr. Obama is becoming a master at avoiding. If he wants to cool the obsessions tell him to quit avoiding answers to questions.
 
Written By: McQ
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OTOH, not knowing who our enemy is in a war is something that should disqualify one to be in charge of said war
Doesn’t that disqualify Obama? Pakistan, and all that?
 
Written By: Don
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MK, I can’t help but notice a bit of projection here. You seem to think that everybody here thinks in black and white terms, as you seem to, and that by attacking McCain, you might be able to tip the balance far enough that the black-and-white-ness swings over to the Democrat side. Maybe that would work somewhere else... but my impression is that there’s hardly anybody here who actually likes McCain, so this whole "Obama’s not perfect? Oh yeah? What about McCain? He’s not perfect! So there!" shtick is very unlikely to get you anywhere.

Yeah, McCain’s imperfect. Want to hear the ways? Just ask around. You’re not going to win any arguments here by trashing McCain until he’s somehow worse than Obama.

As for why Obama’s in so much trouble while McCain is getting a "free pass" (heh, just you wait, he won’t once the Democrats stop hogging the spotlight with their internecine fights...), I ask you to show me the quotes where McCain demonstrates contempt for a large swathe of the electorate. That is Obama’s true crime, that is the one that isn’t going to be forgiven anytime soon, and that’s the difference between him and McCain. All the rest is just window dressing. Nobody’s going to vote for someone that holds them in contempt, and Obama has simply knocked out too much of the electorate to win now, unless he pulls a miracle out of the hat or the veteran McCain steps in it somehow.
 
Written By: Jeremy Bowers
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Wasn’t there a GOP debate where the questions were about the Bible, the Confederate flag, etc.?

No, no, no. The only legit questions for a GOP candidate would be POLICY questions as follows:

Q1: The Democratic candidates all want to open the borders and allow illegal immigrants to have access to welfare, driver’s licenses, and free healthcare, while not paying any taxes. What’s your opinion on this?

Q2: We know that raising the capital gains tax could actually lower revenue and hurt investment, what’s you proposal on taxes?

Q3: The teacher’s unions consistently resist any accountability for teachers even though this has been proven to improve our children’s education. Do you think the Democrats are wrong to slavishly follow the union line, and what sort of ideas do you have to increase teacher accountability and school choice?

I mean, fair is fair, right?

 
Written By: Harun
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The Weather Underground is "just pining for the fjords, as it were. However, it’ predecessor organization, the SDS, is still alive and well at Harvard, Columbia, and one suspects; even Ayer’s campus, NorthWestern University. Itwouldn’t surprise that some small subset of that group, who has ’given up on the political process’ in the event of an Obama loss; would chose ’more direct political action"
 
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