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Useful idiots and legitimizing terrorists
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, April 17, 2008

I'm not sure how else you characterize the self-righteous Jimmy Carter actions:
Hamas officials said Wednesday that Jimmy Carter's meetings with leaders of the Palestinian militant group will boost its legitimacy despite criticism by Israel and the U.S. government of the former president's personal peace mission.

[...]

"This meeting is a message to those who don't recognize Hamas' legitimacy as a movement," Zahar said as he left for Egypt, according to Hamas' Web site.
The administration and all three presidential candidates have essentially agreed that it is wrong and unhelpful for Carter to do what he's doing, that he carries no authority from anyone to discuss anything of importance and that all he is doing is giving legitimacy to a group everyone agrees is a terrorist group.

Does that stop Carter?

Of course not, because he's sure Jimmy knows best.

I mean look how effective he was in the foreign affairs arena when he was president.
 
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Several days ago, Jimmy Carter said this to an Israeli reporter about being snubbed by president Peres:
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.”
Have you heard a more anti-american sentiment in your life? The whole reason why our forefathers fought a bloody revolution to gain independence was precisely because dictators do not speak for all the people. What a douche.
 
Written By: Jimmy the Dhimmi
URL: www.warning1938alert.ytmnd.com
aaaaaand...someone didn’t read the previous posts on this matter.
 
Written By: Zeno
URL: http://sosoonnomore.blogspot.com/
Hamas is legitimate. They have power and support. They are not going away, they can’t be defeated by some kind of major military operation. Carter, who is immune to political attacks at this stage in his career, can play a useful role in aiding communication. I’m sure he’ll pass on messages to the Bush administration, and pays no mind to those who think they know better, but have less than 1% of his experience.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Every thing Scott Erb said...

Wow, just double wow. And to think there are people who believe all that stuff.
 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://
Hamas is legitimate. They have power and support.
So’s Al Queida then, eh Prof?

don’t be ridiculous.
 
Written By: Joel C.
URL: http://
Florence Foster-Erb sings:
Hamas is legitimate. They have power and support. They are not going away, they can’t be defeated by some kind of major military operation
Well, so is the Mafia.
Carter, who is immune to political attacks at this stage in his career, can play a useful role in aiding communication.
He could, by telling Hamas straight to their faces that their goals are well beyond the pale of any decent morality, and in a ideal world they would all be hanging from gibbets by now. But being Dhimmi Jimmy, that’s the last thing he would do.

He is no more than a propagandist for the Palestinians, and now he’s become a propagandist for Hamas. Why should anyone pay attention to any messages he might carry?
 
Written By: kishnevi
URL: http://
Hamas is legitimate. They have power and support, and by the holy writ of Lenin and Stalin, that’s all you need. Besides, Carter is meeting with them, and my programming requires me to defend Carter no matter what Carter’s wisdom is such that he knows best. They are not going away, they can’t be defeated by some kind of major military operation. So we should just accept them, no matter how reprehensible or dangerous they are. That’s right, just accept that they will continue to support terrorism against those Israelis, who are pretty mean anyway, and of course occasionally when opportunity permits, against us, because hopefully that will humble us into an emasculated United States. Carter, who is immune to political attacks at this stage in his career, can play a useful role in aiding communication. Offhand, I can’t think of anything they would relay to Carter than would matter a bit, but I’m sure he’ll pass on messages to the Bush administration, especially the ones the Bush administration doesn’t want to hear, such as "You’ll never beat Arab extremists, so give it up." Carter pays no mind to those who think they know better, but have less than 1% of his experience. Because experience counts for everything. Why, I picked my last surgeon as a 70 year old guy who botched his last twelve operations because he had done more operations than anyone else. (It was an attempt to graft on a sense of humor from a deceased drama major, but it unfortunately failed because of rejection.)
 
Written By: Ott Scerb
URL: http://clueless.maine.edu
Some backlash
 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://
Legitimizing terrorists?
You mean like Obama nad his relationship with admitted terrorist Bill Ayers?

The comparison drwn is not an idle one.
Given the lack of outraged reaction from the Democrats on that relationship, Carter’s relationships and suport for terrorists elsehere in the world seems in line with all that.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Assuming noone in the US government is able to communicate with Hamas,
and assuming no other government, Switzerland for instance, is able to act as a go-between,
and assuming anything Carter said would be believed after his trips to North Korea etc.,
and assuming the administration actually wants to communicate with Hamas outside these other channels,
then maybe Carter would could play a role in aiding communication.
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
Thak the Goddess..Ott Scerb is here...I feared for his evil twin...I can read the thread now.
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
Hey Dr Erb the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany existed too, and had political legitimacy...I take it then that we oughtn’t have opposed them too?

You do grasp what Burke meant when he wrote, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’" Doing nothing means acknowledging that the evil exists, or:
(Insert Group Here) is legitimate. They have power and support. They are not going away
By your argument ANY group is legitimate, except mayhap the current Administration.
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
Hamas is legitimate. They have power and support.


One could have said the same about the Nazis cerca 1939.
They are not going away, they can’t be defeated by some kind of major military operation.
Of course they could be defeated. It may be unlikely, because Israel and the US are not seriously considering it, but they can be defeated. To say otherwise is flat out stupid.
Carter, who is immune to political attacks at this stage in his career, can play a useful role in aiding communication. I’m sure he’ll pass on messages to the Bush administration, and pays no mind to those who think they know better, but have less than 1% of his experience.
He’s the same Carter who messed up in North Korea during the Clinton administration. He messed up Zimbawe when he was president (behind the scenes), and he twice tried to have the Soviet Union influence our presidential elections (1980 and 84). He helped Arafat write propaganda.

He’s either a complete idiot, or a traitor. I vote the latter . . .

 
Written By: Don
URL: http://
I vote "Both", since they’re not mutually exclusive.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Hey Dr Erb the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany existed too, and had political legitimacy...I take it then that we oughtn’t have opposed them too?
You seem to glide between "oppose" and "refuse to talk with." We talked with both, and we were for awhile allied with the Soviet Union, and had treaties and numerous summits. One can oppose while still holding talking with others.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
You seem to glide between "oppose" and "refuse to talk with." We talked with both, and we were for awhile allied with the Soviet Union, and had treaties and numerous summits. One can oppose while still holding talking with others.

We ceased talking to the Nazi’s once we realized that talking to them wasn’t doing much good about ameliorating their evil and then we crushed them...because talking wasn’t doing anything about their policy preferences. So too Hamas, dude, they keep saying "Death to the Joooos." Why talk, just to hear a variant of "Death to the Jooos!"
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
We actually talked to the Nazis long after there was any value to such talk. And some Brits attempted for the longest time to work something out with the Nazis.

Sometimes talking is much less honorable than fighting . . .
 
Written By: Don
URL: http://
Carter learned to truckle after his experiences with the Iranians. Be fond of stronger men.
 
Written By: Bruce
URL: http://

We ceased talking to the Nazi’s once we realized that talking to them wasn’t doing much good about ameliorating their evil and then we crushed them...because talking wasn’t doing anything about their policy preferences.
No, Joe, the war stopped the talk. They started the war.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm

 
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