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The "Ayers thing" gathers steam
Posted by: McQ on Monday, April 21, 2008

George Stephanopouls, in an interview with John McCain, asked McCain about Obama's patriotism, giving McCain an opening to bring up Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a Weather Underground terrorist:
Asked by host George Stephanopoulos whether he has any doubt that Obama shares his sense of patriotism, McCain brought the subject up.

“I'm sure he's very patriotic. But his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question,” McCain said.

“He became friends with him and spent time with him while the guy was unrepentant over his activities as a member of a terrorist organization, the Weathermen,” McCain said. “Does he condemn them? Would he condemn someone who says they're unrepentant and wished that they had bombed more?”
See the questions asked by McCain? Those are the questions Obama is going to have to answer or they're going to continue to be asked throughout the campaign. I would suggest that a great number of Americans find such a relationship to be unacceptable, given the activities in which Ayres participated in. And I don't think many care how long ago those bombings ocurred.

To most, Ayers is someone who deserves condemnation and from whom Obama should officially disassociate himself.

The Obama campaign's reaction, however, is predictable:
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton responded aggressively, calling McCain's salvo "smear politics."
Anything a politician doesn't want to confront or any question he wants to avoid answering is usually waved away on this basis.

But let's review Obama's answer when confronted with Ayers in the last debate:
When the issue came up in Wednesday's Democratic debate, the Illinois senator tried to duck it. "This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from," he said. He added that to suggest "knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense."
David Axelrod, Obama's campaign manager, attempts to reinforce the Obama spin:
Axelrod told Politico's Ben Smith in February: "Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school. ... They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together."
But as Steve Chapman points out, Ayers isn't some neighbor who happens to live in the neighborhood and to whom Obama might wave occasionally while they're both outside picking up the morning paper:
Obama minimized his relationship by acknowledging only that he knows Ayers. But they have quite a bit more of a connection than that. He's appeared on panels with Ayers, served on a foundation board with him and held a 1995 campaign event at the home of Ayers and his wife, fellow former terrorist Bernardine Dohrn. Ayers even gave money to one of his campaigns.

It's not as though Ayers and Dohrn have denied or repudiated their crimes. After emerging from years in hiding, they escaped federal prosecution because of government misconduct in gathering evidence, but they don't pretend they were innocent. In 2001, Ayers said, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."

Dohrn has likewise rationalized the explosions, claiming that "our acts of resistance were tiny and symbolic." She even went to prison for refusing to testify about an armored-car robbery involving her confederates. That crime was not tiny or symbolic to the two police officers or the security guard who were shot to death in the process.

All this is public record, and Barack Obama would have to be in a coma not to know it. Yet he showed no qualms about consorting with Ayers and Dohrn.
And yet, first with Jeremiah Wright and now with Ayers and Dohrn, we're supposed to believe that he was clueless about all of this. What does that say about "judgement" and "character"? He's either oblivious or he's as calculating as any politician who has ever come down the pike. And given his refusal to confront the questions about Wright and Ayers, I'm inclined to believe the latter. To believe otherwise requires, as Hillary Clinton would be likely to say, a willing suspension of disbelief that I'm just not prepared to make.

And Dohrn, Ayers wife, is no better. Her remark concerning the murders by the Manson "family" showed her true colors:
Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!
Dohrn was as involved in all the violence the Weather Underground committed as Ayers. And now?
[She's] a lawyer, [and] a member of the American Bar Association’s governing elite, as well as the director of Northwestern University’s Children and Family Justice Center.
And of course, Ayers personifies arrogance unbound:
I interviewed Ayers ten years ago, in a kindergarten classroom in uptown Manhattan where he was employed to shape the minds of inner city children. Dressed in bib overalls with golden curls rolling below his ears, Ayers reviewed his activities as a terrorist for my tape recorder. When he was done, he broke into a broad, Jack Horner grin and summed up his experience: "Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country."
Is this the sort of person with whom you would accept your President associating himself?
 
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Senator Obama,

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of The Weather UnderGround?

Senator McCarthy is dancing the jigg in his grave.

There is a Puritan-Fascist cancer in America that refuses Exorcism.

We are sicker as a nation for that potentially fatal malady, a malady which is again becomming virulent in America, as more and more infected carriers rise from the dirt of democratic free speech.



 
Written By: Juan Man
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Of course this will be called ’swiftboating’ and blame for the Democrats having an unelectable candidate will be placed on Obama’s detractors and not Obama himself.

And in reality the MSM failed the Democrats by not applying the proper scrutiny to Obama (like a year or more ago) when another option could have been found. Who knows, maybe the Goracle would have run if Obama’s lack of electability was known by last September or later?
 
Written By: jpm100
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I stand corrected. It won’t be called ’swiftboating’ it will be call ’Puritanical Fascism’, it seems.
 
Written By: jpm100
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We are sicker as a nation for that potentially fatal malady, a malady which is again becomming virulent in America, as more and more infected carriers rise from the dirt of democratic free speech
.

1) Isn’t that called "democracy" juan, you know when more and more arise from Free Speech? Or are you only in favour of increased support for Obama, not his detractors?

2) The "dirt of democratic free speech" sounds bad, mayhap we need to control this dangerous "free speech"..Hey Juan I thought that "dissent was the highest form of patriiotism."? Or is that only wheny you’re dissenting from a REPUBLICAN Administration?
 
Written By: Joe
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Hey Juan, are you suggesting perhaps after WWII any NAZIs who escaped the nets and lived quiet ’normal’ lives after having worked the night shift in Buchenwald ought to just be left alone, and if we can’t forgive them, we’re Puritan fanatics?

Would we still be expected to forgive them if they said they don’t think they did enough and wished they could have killed more jews?

And yeah, how DARE we use our free speech to express our feelings about scumbags like them, and....people....like you.

Ain’t it great?
 
Written By: looker
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So Jaun if Eric Rudolf gets out of prison-yeah right- and becomes a teacher it’ll be OK if in 2030 if a Republican hangs out with him and maintains a "friendly relationship" with him?

 
Written By: Joe
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Senator McCarthy is dancing the jigg in his grave
SUBLIMINAL RACISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s about the level of seriousness his post deserves. You want to be President, everything is open to scrutiny.

Don’t like it? Too bad.
 
Written By: shark
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And it’s an important question to ask, having nothing at all to do with Fascism.

It’s generally a good idea to know whether or not a possible President is sympathetic to those who have bombed Federal Buildings.
 
Written By: Joel C.
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Given all that has transpired, the real question might be ..

Just who wouldn’t Obama be friendly with ?
 
Written By: Neo
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Just who wouldn’t Obama be friendly with ?
Uribe in Colombia and Maliki in Iraq? After all theya re merely dupes of American Imperialism....
 
Written By: Joe
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and from whom Obama should officially disassociate himself.
Question, is, Bruce, if anyone who mattered would beleive him if he did try that move?

By that, I mean, independant voters. HIs true beleivers doubtless would.
But would anyone else? The disassociation attempt would likley follow the same patter as laid out in the case of Wright.

We see how well THAT worked.



 
Written By: Bithead
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Purple prose, mixed metaphors, misspelling.
Content; F
Style; D
 
Written By: timactual
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Senator Obama, Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of The Weather UnderGround?
Good Question!
 
Written By: SShiell
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[Obama] held a 1995 campaign event at the home of Ayers and his wife, fellow former terrorist Bernardine Dohrn.
The most damning datum. It’s just stupefying that a major party is going to put this man at the top of their ticket. We’re getting ready to see what the messaging, money, and mobilization of new guards have wrought.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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Wow!

You like me. You really, really like me.

It’s amazing to me how supposedly intelligent people can flip-flop world-views like a professional tidily-wink team. (Or a school of trained, horn-honking seals if anyone prefers.)

If the Obama association were instead one of McCain’s, the Moat Warriors of the Filthy Rich would be screaming about how this is just another manifestation of Political Correctness - how it is not even permissible to have acquaintances who aren’t exactly like you.

Where are the questions about the Bush family’s associations with dictators in the M.E., with educational testing businesses in New Jersey, with a professional male prostitute lounging around the White House on week-ends, with Laura gone for the week-end? About Nazi sympathizer Prescott Bush, with G.H.W. Bush being out of the loop on Iran-Contra, when he was in charge of the operation? What about G.W. Bush’s association with a 17 year old waitress, who instead of having Bush’s baby, had the fetus aborted, and instead gave birth to a brand-new paid for lovely suburban home. It was then she canceled the interview with a reporter who was probing the Bush abortion. (You folks, if you really are truth-seekers, can gather the facts on all these associations quietly buried by the MSM.)

I’ll venture none of the above posters ever so much as gave a flying-fig about those associations, business or personal.

This reminds of off the moral outrage of the Sanctimonious Seals Defending American Purity about Jim Webb’s war novels. Why the outrage of it all! Dirty sex interspersed with Holy War against the North Vietnamese potential invaders of America. Republicans were outraged that their wives might inadvertently and unsuspectingly read some sexual passage from one of Webb’s novels. That was really funny. So is the Weather Underground shtick!

This most recent Obama connection is simply another manufactured outrage orchestrated by the keepers of the seals. Keep on honking and fainting, folks.
 
Written By: Juan Man
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Wow Juan A+ I’m going to use the "Moat Warriors of the Filthy Rich" but replace "warrior" with "Monster", becoming the "Moat Warriors of the Filthy Rich"

As to the rest of the screed lots of innuendo, tell you what if yu can get that typed up and over to Mary Mapes and Dan Rather, they might make a story of it...

As to not exactly like me...well Bill Ayers was a terrorist and is unrepentant about his domestic terrorism as is his wife. So when McCain or Bush 43 have been hanging out with McVeigh and Eric Rudolf and some abortion clinic shooters and we defend them you can get back to us on that...otherwise I really don’t see how they link up.

 
Written By: Joe
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Well, Ayers is right about one thing, it is a great country, a helluva country.

He came up thisaway a couple of months ago to speak at the local SUNY outlet, at the invitation of an education professor who looks and acts [description censored]. I wanted to go, but when the moment arrived it was cold out and I couldn’t motivate myself. The New York Sun picked it up and did a little story on it. (Actually, the real reason I didn’t go was because they held it in a room that sounded a little too small and I wondered if I had to sit there and keep my mouth shut would I make it through without having a panic attack.)

Do I think Obama’s association with Ayers will hurt him in November? Depends on who makes the commercial.

Me, I have a "recreation" of the little worm planting his explosives at the Capitol, followed by the second plane hitting the south tower, then a voice over reading from Ayers writing in the NY Times that very day that he had no regrets about his bombings (with the words shown in the ad as the narrator reads), followed by the most relevant Obama contact with Ayers (the fundraiser in Ayers’ home?), followed by Obama’s lamest explanation.

I think you can get that done in 30 seconds and run it for a week in October in battleground states. It will be great in tandem with the "God damn America" commerical.

But, who knows, there could be much better available. That little YouTuber on the "Just words" theme was pretty good.

Or, you could just stick to the fact that Obama wants to lose the war, nationalize health care, raise taxes, and call it "change." Well, it’s change.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Juan:
If the Obama association were instead one of McCain’s,
Oh, come now, you mean to tell me that McCain has a friend who bombed the U.S. Capitol and still brags about it?

But wait. I know that McCain, for a fact, has associations even worse than Ayers (from the Left’s point of view). It is a demonstrable fact, and this is going to drive the Left insane with simultaneous indignation and joy, that McCain hangs with guys who bombed Hanoi!

Sorry it couldn’t have been Havana, but take what you have and run with it. You’ll hit your core group: those who think that it was a good thing to bomb the U.S. Capitol and a horrible thing to bomb Hanoi.

Sounds like a key Obama constituency, if you listen to Jeremiah Wright.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Those are all facts Joe, the MSM, staunch supporters of GW that they are, have buried all of them.
It’s a vast media conspiracy that keeps us in the dark.

As to the Weather Unground, true American heros one and all, fighting in the style of the patriot fathers against a ruthless oppression.
 
Written By: looker
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Just who wouldn’t Obama be friendly with ?
A Democratic delegate, who told a couple of neighbor kids to stop climbing on a tree like monkeys.

But unrepentant urban terrorists, they’re A-OK in his book.
 
Written By: Steverino
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Are you-all so frightened that Sen. Obama will any-day now be planting a bomb in Congress, and that he can best do that by leaving the Senate, and doing it from the White House?

To my knowledge, Sen. Obama has never cheated on his wife. Sen. McCain did cheat on his first wife.

To my knowledge, Sen. Obama has never aborted a fetus caused by his impregnation of a human soul into an underage waitress. G.W. Bush has.

Sen. Obama did drugs. Sen. McCain did alcohol (and presently makes a part of his very comfortable living off the misery of alcoholic dads and women beaters, with nary a twitch of conscience.) President Bush has them both beat, being both an abusive alcoholic to Laura, and a user of cocaine, as well as being found guilty of drunk-driving.

I understand that it is hard work for a Republican to imagine a politician with the moral fortitude to judge a person by who they are now, and not by who they have been. It is Republican heresy to do so.

The fact is we have hundreds of elected officials (mostly but not wholly Republicans) who were silent witness for years, NO – more than innocent bystanders – They were enablers of the sexual abuse of pages sent to Congress to do service to their country – NOT to be servicing Republican pedophiles who whose day job was to enforce the Moral Standards of the U.S. Party of God.

Why aren’t all they associations not cut fully and permanently by all these “Please Don’t Bomb Us-Draft Dodging” members of the U.S. Party of God?

Be not fearful you of Great Faith, for thine Lord will protect thee against radical bombs.

(But the pages are on their own.)

 
Written By: Juan Man
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I understand that it is hard work for a Republican to imagine a politician with the moral fortitude to judge a person by who they are now, and not by who they have been.
Most people with even a lick of common sense and life experience understand that who they are now is usually who they have been with a little lipstick applied. In Ayers case, it’s a matter of plastic surgery, but the same rotten punk still resides underneath.
 
Written By: McQ
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They were enablers of the sexual abuse of pages sent to Congress to do service to their country – NOT to be servicing Republican pedophiles who whose day job was to enforce the Moral Standards of the U.S. Party of God.
You mean like Gary Studds who actually did "date" a 17y.o. page and was applauded for it...oh wait he was a "D" I guess he doesn’t count...

And I don’t think Alex Jones’ "Prison Planet" or Dave Emry’s Radio Free Aemrica really count as sources for the rest of your cant....
 
Written By: Joe
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Be not fearful you of Great Faith, for thine Lord will protect thee against radical bombs.
But it will not protect us from nutjobs like yourself. You don’t have a problem with The Savior’s personal associations? Great. Some people do. I am one of those people. I tend to believe that who you are is a reflection of who you associate with. And someone who associates and defends his association with a Racist Minister, an Unreformed Terrorist, and a Racketeer (alleged) give me cause to question his character. You may have accepted his "It is no big deal" response to the questions. (Typical - As usual, for their own, the left tends to set very low standards for themseves and then continually fails to meet them.) I have not accepted his responses as having answered the questions. And until the questions regarding these associations are resolved, his character - or lack thereof - remains in question.
 
Written By: SShiell
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Most people with even a lick of common sense and life experience understand that who they are now is usually who they have been with a little lipstick applied. In Ayers case, it’s a matter of plastic surgery, but the same rotten punk still resides underneath.
I had no idea you were such a devout follower of the Christian Faith.

If your premise is accurate, I guess that means that, under it all, Reagan was still a Stool Pidgeon to the FBI against co-workers in Hollywood who were totally innocent of the "facts" Reagan slimed to the FBI?

The fact remains, Ayers never killed so much as a fetus. Bush HAS done so.

McCain bombed civilians, who would later save his life, instead of ripping him limb from limb.

I wonder if the North Vietnames were not Christians, to show such kindness?

 
Written By: Juan Man
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McCain bombed civilians, who would later save his life, instead of ripping him limb from limb.

Yeah he was an "Air pirate" my bad...good thing they only beat him half to death...big of them...and what civilian target was he hitting again?

Phon Rang Orphanage #3....?

Bush is an abortionist? Really I thought you needed medical training for that? Certainly Planned Parenthood and the Gutmacher Institute should investigate, don’t you think?

Reagan slimed people, you mean might have pointed out that a number of folks in Hollywood were or had been members of the STALINIST Communist Party USA, for shame? Ratting out totalitarians...everyone knows we only inform of Christians and Republicans!

If this is the best "Swift Boating" that the Progressive can come up with, this is going to be a "cake walk".
 
Written By: Joe
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If your premise is accurate, I guess that means that, under it all, Reagan was still a Stool Pidgeon to the FBI against co-workers in Hollywood who were totally innocent of the "facts" Reagan slimed to the FBI?
What, if anything, has that to do with Obama and Ayers?
McCain bombed civilians, who would later save his life, instead of ripping him limb from limb.
You still haven’t figured out this isn’t going to work here, have you?
 
Written By: McQ
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Sen. Obama did drugs.
Senator Obama is a drug. Watch his crowds.
To my knowledge, Sen. Obama has never aborted a fetus caused by his impregnation of a human soul into an underage waitress
He sure was eating a lot of p***y at that Planned Parenthood conference, an organization begun by the eugenicist Margaret Sanger to solve the "negro problem." Maybe that was only Obama’s white half talking that day.
I understand that it is hard work for a Republican to imagine a politician with the moral fortitude to judge a person by who they are now
O.K., so Obama belongs to a racist church, right now. Were he a white politician who belonged to the white equivalent of the church Obama belongs to, he couldn’t get elected as a Congressman, much less a Senator. What sort of strange fellow belongs to a church like that and expects to be President of the United States?

 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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But it will not protect us from nutjobs like yourself. You don’t have a problem with The Savior’s personal associations? Great. Some people do. I am one of those people. I tend to believe that who you are is a reflection of who you associate with. And someone who associates and defends his association with a Racist Minister, an Unreformed Terrorist, and a Racketeer (alleged) give me cause to question his character. You may have accepted his "It is no big deal" response to the questions. (Typical - As usual, for their own, the left tends to set very low standards for themseves and then continually fails to meet them.) I have not accepted his responses as having answered the questions. And until the questions regarding these associations are resolved, his character - or lack thereof - remains in question.
I agree that the Rezko association IS problematic, but no more so (actually far less) than the Crooks, Liars, and Criminals associated with both Clintons, both Bushes and especially Reagan. It seems to be some rite of passage to the presidency that Ameicans now find acceptable.

The Wright and Ayers bonfires simply provide the narcotic for the lunatic fringe to start huffing and puffing the latest propaganda drug. And Huff and Puff they will try to blow the Obama house down.

Very useful, these enraged wannabe patriots, mostly those from the ranks who never served, but support the be-Jesus out of "Our" troops.

It would be funny if not so deadly to innocent civilians and true patriot Americans - especially and specially those who joined after 9/11.





 
Written By: Juan Man
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Very useful, these enraged wannabe patriots, mostly those from the ranks who never served, but support the be-Jesus out of "Our" troops.
OH the Chickenhawk Argument, you ARE new here...
 
Written By: Joe
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Juan:
The Wright and Ayers bonfires simply provide the narcotic for the lunatic fringe to start huffing and puffing the latest propaganda drug.
I hate to break the bad news to you, pal, but Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers are the lunatic fringe. And they are Obama’s problem. I don’t know where the Ayers thing is going, but the Wright matter has no bottom. There is no suitable explanation not just for why Obama is in that church 20 years and counting, but why Americans should consider voting for a candidate who ever belonged to such a church.

Put just that together with Obama’s ridiculously far left record and you’ve got yourself George McGovern, redux.

If the Republicans weren’t in such rotten shape this presidential cycle, McCain would have been able to win this election by 15 or 20 points. But I certainly don’t think that 10 points is out of the question.

Americans will not elect Barack Obama President of the United States. Period.

Regretably, they could be convinced, by the usual blizzard of lies and noise, to elect Hillary Clinton, and that would come down, probably, to the close type of election that we’ve seen the last two elections.

But Obama? N E V E R. It ain’t gonna happen. McCain could sit on his porch and serve barbeque the whole campaign and he will not lose to Obama.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
When I first started looking into Obama, I expected the whispers of outrage about his church and associations were the usual hyperbole typical during a campaign.

It didn’t occur to me that a serious presidential candidate even from the Democratic party could have been a member of a black power church for twenty years, made its radical preacher a member of the family and the candidate’s spiritual mentor, and that the candidate could also be on a first-name basis with unrepentant terrorists from the Weather Underground. I just wouldn’t have believed it.

Welcome to Obama 2008, "Change We Can Believe In."

Like Martin, I don’t see how Obama can be elected, now that his Jedi Mind Tricks have been exposed.
 
Written By: huxley
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See the questions asked by McCain? Those are the questions Obama is going to have to answer or they’re going to continue to be asked throughout the campaign.
McCain demanding answers to questions? Talk about chutzpah.

Here is a man who continues to refuse to release his medical records. In fact, he has postponed the release of the records 4 times. I can call my doctor up and get my records in a day. So why not simply release them?

So what’s he hiding? McCain had over five hours of surgery back in 2000 for melanoma - a type of cancer for which one is really never in the clear. Moreover, McCain likely suffers from PTSD. 5 years in a POW camp will do that to you. Probably taking some kind of medication for it. And for his anger. So why not tell Americans?

And then there are his wife’s tax returns. The Clintons and the Obamas have released their reutrns. But not Cindy. What’s she hiding? What are her financial interests? Where does her money go?

Of course, none of the questions came up yesterday - it’s quite obvious why McCain calls the MSM his "base." And the wingnuts out there are certainly not going to ask any questions. After all, Americans aren’t entitled to know anything about the physical and mental well being of a man who would be the oldest first term president. Right?

Right. Obama has to explain everything. McCain? Not so much.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Hey Juan

You are at least more humorous that mkultra, I will give you that.
 
Written By: capt joe
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huxley:
It didn’t occur to me that a serious presidential candidate even from the Democratic party could have been a member of a black power church for twenty years,
"[E]ven from the Democratic party" is the thing. As an organization, it continues to deteriorate even as the GOP appears willing to hand it every advantage.

I know exactly how this happened. It has to do with the susceptibility of liberalism to suggestion, and the power that gives to the ultra-far Left over the base of the Party. It was Howard Dean who represented the joker out of that deck four years ago. That in turn "energized the base" of imbeciles who can’t stand America and created "Bush" from their malignant imaginations.

That was supposed to be Hillary’s magic carpet ride to the Presidency, but only after it was calmed down and moderated for ’08. Instead, the creature ran out of control and that made it ready for Barack "Nightmare Alley" Obama to talk them into a trance.

Meanwhile, the Republicans and conservatives stand around blinking their eyes at this mess, with the hated Hillary on one side and the absurd Obama on the other, and the not-wildly-liked McCain coming off like Winston Churchill.

I’ve never seen such a ghastly situation on the Democratic side in my lifetime.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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First Wright, now Ayers.

You know what else I heard about Obama? He eats with publicans and sinners. At their houses!
But Obama? N E V E R. It ain’t gonna happen. McCain could sit on his porch and serve barbeque the whole campaign and he will not lose to Obama.
Keep whistling brother, you’ve got a long ways to go past this graveyard.
 
Written By: Retief
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Right. Obama has to explain everything. McCain? Not so much.
Hey I have no problem with you hammering on McCain to release his medical records. Go for it. Tax returns? Yes, more please.

In fact, I’m all for full disclosure from all of them. I frankly want to make this as uncomfortable as possible for both sides.

But tax and medical records don’t quite rise to the level of "character" and "judgment" questions where I come from.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
McCain demanding answers to questions? Talk about chutzpah.

Here is a man who continues to refuse to release his medical records.
McCain could have a homunculus growing out of his abdomen and he would beat Obama.

If McCain has to campaign in an ambulance, he’ll win.

If McCain dies the week before the election and they have to take him to a taxidermist and stand him up in his front yard, he will not lose to Obama.

Barack Obama cannot be elected President of the United States. He is both callow and arrogant, radical and ridiculous, superficial and presumptuous, clammy and flat.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Keep whistling brother, you’ve got a long ways to go past this graveyard.
If McCain was already in the graveyard he would beat Obama.

The only advantage that Obama has going for him, and that is just about all used up, is that he is a black man and Americans would like to see a black man become president. But that advantage has been surrounded by all the wrong disadvantages and Americans aren’t going to elect a symbolic president.

And they certainly are not going to elect a far Left radical who belongs to a racist church. It ain’t gonna happen.

And you’d be whistlin’ past your own graveyard if you think that it will.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
But tax and medical records don’t quite rise to the level of "character" and "judgment" questions where I come from.
So if Cindy donates her money to some white supremacist group, that wouldn’t create a character issue for McCain? After all, how could he stay married to such a woman?

But then again, how would one know if you can’t see the records in the first place?

Likewise, if McCain is one some kind of psych meds, that goes straight to his judgment.

But then again, how would one know if you can’t see the records in the first place.

Indeed, in early March he told 60 Minutes that he would release his medical records in a month or so. It’s April 21 and he still hasn’t released them. Now he is saying May. And in May it will be June.

To some of us, character means not telling lies. If you say you are going to do something, then do it. Don’t lie about it. (And don’t cheat on your wife for a year and then dump her - after she remained faithful while you were a POW.)

And is he covering something up? Well, it would go a long way to explaining his repreated gaffes regarding Iraq, Iran, Shias and Sunni and Al Qaeda. And notice how Cindy is always there, whispering in his ear? And if not her, Graham or Liberman?

There is no reason to play games with his records unless he has something to hide. None. My guess is that is hoping that the issue will go away or not get noticed before the election.

If that doesn’t go to character and judgment, then what does?

 
Written By: mkultra
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Here is a man who continues to refuse to release his medical records. In fact, he has postponed the release of the records 4 times.
mk - would you please give John Kerry a call and ask him about his military records. I know he must have released those by now. Right? And I’m sure if I look back in the archives, I’ll find posts from you calling for Kerry to fully disclose his history. Right?
So what’s he hiding? McCain had over five hours of surgery back in 2000 for melanoma - a type of cancer for which one is really never in the clear.
And I had my 4 hours of surgery in ’03... and have been given the all clear from my Dr. What’s your point?
 
Written By: meagain
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There is no reason to play games with his records unless he has something to hide. None. My guess is that is hoping that the issue will go away or not get noticed before the election.
Man I swear you’re talking about Kerry in ’04!
 
Written By: meagain
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The Obama supporters I’ve met are all flush with confidence and their own special smartness and wonderfulness that Obama assures them that they naturally possess as a part of the grand "We are the change" we-ness.

They view questions of Obama’s associations with pastor Wright, Trinity Church, and Bill Ayers as nothing more than bottom-of-the-barrel scraping and smearing—further proof that their candidate has no worries in November if that’s the worst his critics can come up with. They don’t really defend their candidate, they just start huffing and puffing indignantly that anyone could vote for anyone else.

It seems that Obama supporters expect the Obama change train mania to start revving up again then it’s on to inevitable victory in November.

It reminds me of the dotcom boom in which experience was thrust aside and a bunch of twenty- and thirty-somethings were put in charge because they said they had a clue and besides what’s the worst that could happen?
 
Written By: huxley
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mk - would you please give John Kerry a call and ask him about his military records. I know he must have released those by now. Right? And I’m sure if I look back in the archives, I’ll find posts from you calling for Kerry to fully disclose his history. Right?
John Kerry is not running for President in 2008.
And I had my 4 hours of surgery in ’03... and have been given the all clear from my Dr. What’s your point?
The last time McCain released medical records was in 1999.

Surgery this long speaks to a more severe type of melanoma than McCain has suggested he had.

 
Written By: mkultra
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Likewise, if McCain is one some kind of psych meds, that goes straight to his judgment.
No one will care if he is.

The American voter will take a man on medication before they will take a far Left radical who has been trying to finesse his membership in a racist church.

Obama is already down off the pedestal. His act is stale. Even now, expected to win the nomination, he is an incredibly vulnerable candidate and one more serious revelation could take him right out of the race.

The only thing I’d like to see if that happens is for Hillary to get bounced out as well and the convention opened up to — I can barely say it — a rational, sane, honest Democratic nominee, though it might be easier to find King Solomon’s mines.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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John Kerry is not running for President in 2008.
If Obama wins the nomination, by the time the election is over you’ll be wishing that John Kerry was running for president in 2008.

Why, I’d even go so far as to say that you would wish Michael Dukakis was running.

If Obama could only have stepped from his win in Iowa right into the general election the next week he would have been the ideal candidate, the best to come along in decades. Why, he would have been the next JFK.

Unfortunately, and much to their sorrow, some people began to pay attention to who Barack Obama is.

There they went and spoiled the whole thing. A damn good hypnotic trance thrown right out the window. What’s wrong with this country anyway?
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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But Obama? N E V E R. It ain’t gonna happen. McCain could sit on his porch and serve barbeque the whole campaign and he will not lose to Obama.
That one is going in my pocket. It’ll be nice and chewy come November.
Like Martin, I don’t see how Obama can be elected, now that his Jedi Mind Tricks have been exposed.
I like it.

Lets play with it.

All we have to do is figure out the casting.

Let’s see…
• Luke Skywalker is obviously Obama.
• I’m giving Obi-Wan Kenobi to Gore. (He feels a great disturbance in the Force)
• R2D2 is Robert Reich
• C3PO is James Carville
• Hillary has to be Princess Leia.
• Which means that Han Solo is Bill. (He earned it, right?)
• Edwards as Lando Calrissian.
• With Bill Richardson as Chewbacca and Dennis Kucinich as Yoda.
• We’ll use Code Pink and MoveOn as extras for the Ewoks and Jawas.

Now for the Empire…
• Well Cheney has already been cast for Darth Vader, so that solves that. (Luke, I am your father… you know that works because they are at least cousins)
• McCain as the Emperor. (no makeup required)
• GWB as Governor Tarkin. (The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station. as well as The more you tighten your grip, the more OBL will slip through your fingers.)
• Boba Fett will be given to Mary Matalin.
• And Jabba the Hut… well… that’s easy. It has to be Karl Rove. I mean, just look at Rove… it’s a role tailor made for him.

But Huxley,
Like Martin, I don’t see how Obama can be elected, now that his Jedi Mind Tricks have been exposed.
You do remember that the Jedi ends up winning, right?

Cheers.

 
Written By: PogueMahone
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So if Cindy donates her money to some white supremacist group, that wouldn’t create a character issue for McCain?
Of course it would. And he should be questioned about it - just as Obama should be questioned about $20,000+ dollars of support for an apparent racist church.

I’m sure you have no objection to that, do you?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
John Kerry is not running for President in 2008.
Heh ... yeah, and neither is George Bush.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Pogue — True enough, but that was a movie.

It still seems to me that the Dems are breathing laughing gas. We will see in November.
 
Written By: huxley
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Lets play with it.
Drink, heavily, when you get that bored.

Obama could dress up as Luke and talk about Leia as his feminine half and he’ll still lose so bad that George Lucas would have to remake his movies.

There was once a straight line for Obama from being, why, the next JFK, with Caroline Kennedy chirping like a parakeet at his side, to triumph in the primaries, to the nomination, right into the White House.

Unfortunately, there never was a Camelot and "the Change you want is Me" got derailed somewhere in South Chicago right around the corner of God Damn America and I Did Not Have Sex with My Former Pastor’s Sermons.

Yute that I was, in 1972 on election night I sat in a joint called Steak & Brew upstate New York with my Irish crew and we all believed that America surely would elect George McGovern because we just knew it would. What a shock when he got creamed by Richard Nixon. In the middle of an unpopular war that Nixon had promised to end four years earlier, which war was about thirty times more severe than the one we are in now.

To his credit, McGovern did get about 40% of the vote, almost, against Richard Nixon, who had been slandered by the Left for the previous 22 years since the Hiss case.

And Barack Obama is not the man that George McGovern was.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Focal point in Pennsylvania: the emergence of McCain Democrats.

Remember what Thomas Sowell said, and it goes for me too: (app.) "John McCain couldn’t convince me to vote for John McCain; only Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama could convince me to vote for John McCain."
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Of course it would. And he should be questioned about it - just as Obama should be questioned about $20,000+ dollars of support for an apparent racist church.
Racist? Did Wright say he hates white people? I guess I missed that. When did he says he whites?

As for Cindy, maybe she hates whites too.

So when are you going to write the post about all the questions that McCain hasn’t answered, much less been asked?

Ha ha ha ha ha.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Racist? Did Wright say he hates white people?
Did David Duke say he hates blacks? Did the Grand Imperial Wizard, whoever he is now, say he hates blacks?

Jeremiah Wright is a stone cold racist. Wait. He preaches stone cold racism.

Did you watch the way his congregation jumps wildly to its feet when he starts attacking "rich white people?" When he says Jesus was a "poor black man" put upon by rich white people — "They were Romans, which means they were Italians, which means they were European."
Ha ha ha ha ha.
You got that part right, pal. And the world is laughing at you, not with you.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Did you watch the way his congregation jumps wildly to its feet when he starts attacking "rich white people?"
Jeremiah Wright is a stone cold racist. Wait. He preaches stone cold racism.
Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
So when did Wright say that blacks were superior to whites? Or even preach that? That’t the questionn I’m asking.


 
Written By: mkultra
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John Kerry is not running for President in 2008.
NO, but then again, he did promise them to us in 04.

 
Written By: Bithead
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Racist? Did Wright say he hates white people? I guess I missed that.
I guess you did. You miss lots of stuff.
So when are you going to write the post about all the questions that McCain hasn’t answered, much less been asked?
When I feel like it MK. No one here ever claimed the world was fair or this blog was impartial, did they?

If it’s such a big deal, start your own blog and ask the questions yourself.

Of course that would entail you actually doing something besides sniping, and instead being the target of sniping. Think you could handle it?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
So when did Wright say that blacks were superior to whites? Or even preach that? That’t the questionn I’m asking.
—mklultra
Rev. Wright is proud to refer people to black theologian, James Cone, when asked about the fundamentals of the black theology which Trinity Church follows.

James Cone is proud to refer people to Trinity Church as the best example of his theology in practice. Here’s James Cone on white people.
* Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.
* Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
* Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil."
Yes, this is racism. Worse yet, divinely sanctioned racism.
 
Written By: huxley
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When I feel like it MK. No one here ever claimed the world was fair or this blog was impartial, did they?
Oh no. This blog has been faithful echo chamber for GOP talking points for as long as I can remember. And as those talking points have changed and morphed, so have those who post here.

For instance, for years I have been told that success in Iraq is right around the corner. And that I would be sorry when it arrived, and proven wrong. So when success didn’t arrive - what happened? Well, those who post here merely re-defined success, rather than admitting they were wrong.

It speaks to the judgment issue. Obama was wisely against the war in 2002. He was right, as most of America now agrees. So it is very bemusing to watch the wingnut crowd here claim he has no judgment, and that he needs to answer questions about his judgment.

On the fundamental foreign policy issue of the last 20 years, Obama got it right, and the wingnut crowd got it wrong. And Americans know that.

And that makes the wingnut crowd mad. Hence the focus on Wright and Ayers.
Of course that would entail you actually doing something besides sniping, and instead being the target of sniping. Think you could handle it?
You ask if I could handle being the target of sniping? Ha ha. Good one. More snipes are directed at me here than perhaps anyone else. Just review the comments to this post, for example.

I don’t mind them - of course. Reading this blog is a pleasure, if only because it confirms what I have known all along about wingnuts. I was against Bush when he was at 70% approval rating. Now, most of the country is with me. Like Obama, I was right about Bush. This blog was partisan in its support of Bush and his policies. The country has now sided with me. 70% now have BDS. It’s a pleasre to read the dead-enders who post here because it confirms what I have known to be true all along. I was right, and they were wrong.

Can I handle having been right all along? Absolutely.

 
Written By: mkultra
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Can I handle having been right all along? Absolutely.
I understand Hitler was murmuring that very line as he pulled the trigger in the bunker.
 
Written By: SShiell
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Victor Davis Hanson on the question of American mood swings during war. For instance, during the Civil War:
This volatility [of mood] has certainly characterized our current engagement in Iraq, but it has been no less true before. In the early days of the Civil War, a confident North was sure of quick victory in a righteous cause. After the slaughters of 1862 at Shiloh, Antietam, and Fredericksburg, the North then fell into collective querulousness and despair. By the summer of 1863, the North was ebullient again as its armies won crushing, near-simultaneous victories at both Gettysburg and Vicksburg. A year later, after the Wilderness, Spotsylvania, and Cold Harbor, Lincoln and all he stood for were reviled. Stalemate or concession seemed imminent — until General Philip Sheridan ran wild in the Shenandoah Valley and William Tecumseh Sherman took Atlanta on September 2, 1864.

Lincoln’s war aims were largely the same in April 1865 as they had been in April 1861. It was not his policies per se that lost, regained, lost, and once more gained public support but rather the perceived progress, or lack thereof, of Union arms. And these mercurial reactions have likewise been the norm in our later history. In World War II, well after the initial gloom of 1939-42 had disappeared with the turnaround in 1943 and 1944, near-shock set in over the horrendous Allied slaughters at the Bulge and Okinawa — only to be set aside within a matter of months when the war ended victoriously.
Hence the desperate attempts of today’s Party of Defeat to pooh pooh any progress in Iraq, to deny the legitimacy of the war in the first place, to ignore the attempt to bring modernity to the Middle East as a historical step toward reducing its violence, etc.

Being a stretched out war, every setback is caricatured as disaster from which there can be no recovery, every recovery is caricatured as a meaningless interlude between disasters. And you got to love the little nutroot imbeciles running around believing that they have defeated the United States in war.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. — mkultra
And you are someone who condems a racist not for being racist, but for being stupid by making it so public. — mkultra
You seem to have an adjustable scale—when it’s your guy it ain’t racist unless it’s explicit, literal claims of racial superiority, but when it’s the other side, you can devine it by phrases like "boy".

 
Written By: Don
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Did Wright say he hates white people?
Aww, you’re not that obtuse? It’s implied, dude. Just like it’s implied when George Bush "says" he hates black people. If I go to a KKK rally, it’s implied that I’m a racist even if I keep my trap shut. You’re hip-deep at this point but ya know this.
On the fundamental foreign policy issue of the last 20 years, Obama got it right, and the wingnut crowd got it wrong. And Americans know that.
Wowee, serious nuttery here. The only way BO gets elected is if the American public is duped into a "white guilt" epidemic. By the way, I agree with you on the war. We need to get every American out of Chicago pronto.
 
Written By: rob
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One more time.

Jeremiah Wright refers us to James Cone so that we can understand the teachings of Wright’s (and Obama’s) church.

Cone, page 150, Black Theology and Black Power, summing up:
[I]f [white people] are going to be in a relationship with God, they must enter by means of their black brothers, who are a manifestation of God’s presence on earth. The assumption that one can know God without knowing blackness is the basic heresy of the white churches. They want God without blackness, Christ without obedience, love without death. What they fail to realize is that in America, God’s revelation on earth has always been black, red, or some other shocking shade, but never white. Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man’s depravity. God cannot be white, even though white churches have portrayed him as white. When we look at what whiteness has done to the minds of men in this country, we can see clearly what the New Testament meant when it spoke of the principalities and powers. To speak of Satan and his powers becomes not just a way of speaking but a fact of reality. When we can see a people who are being controlled by an ideology of whiteness, then we know what reconciliation must mean. The coming of Christ means a denial of what we thought we were. It means destroying the white devil in us. Reconciliation to God means that white people are prepared to deny themselves (whiteness), take up the cross (blackness) and follow Christ (black ghetto).
That’s the core "theology" that underlies Obama’s church.

He is pretending not to know it. Indeed, he did not have sex with his "former" pastor’s sermons.

This man should not be in the U.S. Senate anymore than David Duke should be in the U.S. Senate. His presidential candidacy should have been taken down way back, before George Soros and that crowd poured their money into it.

Now, this is the nutroots Waterloo. It’s serious business that Obama has talked his way this far with people like Chris Matthews and Keith Goebbelsmann going off in their pants over him.

Anyone can belong to almost any church they want to in America, but no one who belongs to a church based so deeply in a racist theology can become President of the United States, not in this day and age.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Martin — That Cone quote is a keeper!
 
Written By: huxley
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Hugh Hewitt currently has a couple of shows with some riveting recordings of Bill Ayers talking about his days in the Weather Underground.

It’s astonishing how damaging a mashup could be assembled from clips of Wright, Ayers, Dohrn and Michelle Obama running down America, juxtaposed with Obama’s airy promises and weasely deflections.
 
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