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Factcheck.org: the DNC is lying, they know it, but they don’t care
Posted by: Jon Henke on Tuesday, April 29, 2008

After years of progressives, Democrats and particularly the Democratic Party claiming to be outraged by deceptive ads and rhetoric from Republicans, the Democratic Party demonstrates that they are not, and never really were, above that sort of thing.

Factcheck.org is kind enough not to explicitly call the DNC brazen liars, but that's what it amounts to.
The Democratic National Committee has produced two TV ads against McCain, hoping to soften him up while the party figures out who its own presidential nominee will be.

  • One ad shows selected portions of McCain's comments that a 100-year U.S. presence in Iraq would be "fine with me." The ad uses dramatic images of war and violence, and omits any mention that McCain was speaking of a peaceful presence like that in Japan or Korea.

  • An earlier ad attacks McCain for saying the nation's economy is "prosperous" and "better off overall" than eight years ago. The ad uses a couple of incorrect statistics to argue otherwise. It says the country has lost 1.8 million jobs when, in fact, it has gained nearly 5.4 million, and it says gasoline prices have risen 200 percent, when the actual figure is 139 percent.

Presumably, the people who work at the DNC are feeling pretty embarrassed today about being associated with that kind of dishonest hackery. If they're decent people, they'll probably demand the DNC do the decent thing and stop lying to the American public. I guess we'll find out how that works out.

For Bonus Points: some enterprising blogger might go looking through the 2002-2004-2006 campaign cycles to find Democrats fainting over the use of 9/11 imagery in campaign commercials.

Any Democrats who feigned offense at that imagery before should have their nose held in this ad.

For Super Bonus Points: find either (a) a statement from the Democratic Party specifically denouncing this kind of imagery in a campaign ad, or (b) a quote from Howard Dean, including prior to his tenure with the DNC, responding to these ads.

The embarrassing evidence of opportunism, hypocrisy and credibility-destroying hackery is out there for you to find!
 
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The embarrassing evidence of opportunism, hypocrisy and credibility-destroying hackery is out there for you to find!
Bonus points for the DNC and Howard Dean calling for Cindy McCain to release her tax records and citing as a reason the RNC call for Teresa Heinz Kerry to release her.
They ignore the fact that Teresa Heinz Kerry appears to have never released her full tax records.

"In 2004, the Republican National Committee called on the Kerry campaign to release Teresa Heinz Kerry’s tax returns, saying ’Americans value disclosure and transparency in campaigns.’ We expect the RNC will call on John McCain to release Cindy McCain’s records just as they called on the Kerry campaign to do so in 2004. The connection between the McCains’ business ventures and their political ties have been well documented and the American people deserve to know how McCain’s role as a public official may have benefited their bottom line."
 
Written By: Paul L.
URL: http://kingdomofidiots.blogspot.com/
McCain should fire back regarding "100 years in Iraq". Its fairly simple to do. He should spin it this way:

"If Barack Obama cannot distinguish between a military alliance during peacetime, and occupation of a hostile nation during war, what business does he have being commander in chief?"

It is an obvious and legitimate point to make, and serves to elucidate Obama’s naiveite, which is Obama’s achilles heel. Suggest that to your republican campaign-organiser friends, John!
 
Written By: Jimmy the Dhimmi
URL: www.warning1938alert.ytmnd.com
OMG POLITICIANS LIE NEWS AT 11
 
Written By: slntax
URL: http://
The ad is all McCain in his own words. The fact that his own words and his own ideas are horribly damaging is not the DNC’s fault.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
" the American people deserve to know how McCain’s role as a public official may have benefited their bottom line."

It is my understanding that the Hensley fortune is built on a beer distributorship. Just how do the Democrats think McCain could benefit them? Heck, a beer distributorship is a gold mine already, probably the closest thing you can get to a key to the US mint. They certainly don’t need any political favors.
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
retief;

"The ad is all McCain in his own words. The fact that his own words and his own ideas are horribly damaging is not the DNC’s fault."

retief;
"The ad is not the DNC’s".

Oh, so you deny they produced the ad, eh? Another example of left-wing dishonesty.



 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
Just a note for the impaired. In my previous comment I made a small edit to retief’s remark to make an obvious point, but they are still his own words. Just like the DNC ad.
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
Gosh, Mr. Henke, given the recent torrent of McCain gaffes, senior moments, flip-flops, and pandering, one might wonder why you decided to expend your intellect on this particular claim.

But then again, you are who you are. Sad.
 
Written By: mkultra
URL: http://
Gosh, Henke’s posts make "Boo-Boo Kitty" MK sad. You don’t want MK to cry, do you? I implore everyone to refrain from giving MK any more tears. Let’s turn MK’s frown upside down!
 
Written By: JWG
URL: http://
The DNC should get a conscience?

If the DNC (the Dean Nutcase Committee) could run an ad saying, "John McCain says that he was a POW in Vietnam for five years. We know he is lying...in fact, he never even served in Vietnam. Call John McCain and tell him to stop lying about his false military record" and get away with it - and help elect Democrats - they would do it without an ounce of remorse or a hit to their conscience. Because the Democrats have no remorse or a conscience about anything they do or say.
 
Written By: James Marsden
URL: http://
At the end of the day, Bruce, this would have amounted to yet another moment of truth for the Democrats. It will, alas, end up being skipped right by, like so many others in the past. (And with this response I think I’ve answerede your other post, too) MK gives us a prime example of such.

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
But then again, you are who you are. Sad.
You are so emo.
 
Written By: rob
URL: http://
Gosh, Mr. Henke, given the recent torrent of McCain gaffes, senior moments, flip-flops, and pandering, one might wonder why you decided to expend your intellect on this particular claim.

But then again, you are who you are. Sad.
wait a sec: so to you it’s totally OK that the DNC make up lies about an opponent for no other reason than they can, and when it’s brought up, you insult the person who did so and continue to insult the same candidate?

Really?

So I gotta know: what flavor Kool Aid to they serve at the weekly meetings? It must be real good!
 
Written By: Joel C.
URL: http://
Countdown for "you did it first" from MK engaged.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Wow. James Marsden reads QandO? I thought you were great in X-men.
 
Written By: James D
URL: http://
Oh no! Democrats produce effective ad using candidate’s own words! Don’t they know how this operates? The Republicans produce a fundamentally dishonest ad calling the Democrat a limp wristed terrorist appeaser, Fox and the other cables run it on a loop, and the Democrats respond with a tersely written letter (on the GOOD paper) and maybe with a wimpy little ad.

They’re not supposed to fight back! Howard Dean: I reject and denounce your unfair effectiveness.
 
Written By: Oliver Willis
URL: http://www.oliverwillis.com
Hey, if you want to argue that it’s ok for the DNC to run incredibly dishonest, deceptive ads, be my guest. I think that’s it’s very instructive to see who makes that argument.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
URL: http://QandO.net
Democrats produce effective ad using candidate’s own words! Don’t they know how this operates? The Republicans produce a fundamentally dishonest ad calling the Democrat a limp wristed terrorist appeaser, Fox and the other cables run it on a loop, and the Democrats respond with a tersely written letter (on the GOOD paper) and maybe with a wimpy little ad.

They’re not supposed to fight back! Howard Dean: I reject and denounce your unfair effectiveness.
You DO understand how ads work, eh, Oliver?

The person PAYS a network for x amount of spots to run the ad. The NETWORK does not simply run an add for free.

Unless it’s the New York Times, of course, but I digress.

You’re making very big alegations here without a shred of evidence. Now, I’m NOT saying that Republicans haven’t used dishonest ads, but I’m not condoning it, either.

So the question becomes: for someone claiming the moral high ground, are you saying it is ok to run false, blatant lies about a candidate and his words because you perceive/it has been done before? Are you seriously equating Presidential Politics to a game of ’But mommy, he did it first!’?

 
Written By: Joel C.
URL: http://
Okay, Oliver acting as MK’s idiocy bomber, arrived to use the "You did it first & everybody does it" argument.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
for someone claiming the moral high ground
Oliver never does this. He freely admits that he supports dirty tricks for democrats and opposes them for republicans. He fully endorses hypocrisy for his side while decrying it on the other side. You can’t argue "fair" with Oliver.
 
Written By: JWG
URL: http://
Obama on the death penalty:
The community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment.
Obama on Rumsfeld:
I don’t think that Secretary Rumsfeld is in any way out of the mainstream of American political life.
Obama on Iraq:
There’s not much of a difference between my position and George Bush’s position.
This is fun!
 
Written By: JWG
URL: http://
Keep in mind this is the same crowd that just yesterday was saying that attacks against Jeremiah Wright were unfair and that they were "quotes taken out of context".

I’d also note that while it might ... MIGHT ... be fair game to simply play McCain’s words, to do so while flashing images of ongoing warfare (explicitly what he said he was AGAINST doing for the extended period of time in question) would be like someone cutting a commerical matching up audio of Obama or Hillary saying "I love children" while showing mugshots of pedophiles.
 
Written By: SaveFarris
URL: http://
What dishonesty?

Does McCain want to stay in Iraq for 100 years? Yep.

Are our soldiers and Marines there getting blown up? Yep.

Does McCain have a plan to get to a state where they’re not getting blown up before starting his 100 years. Nope. Not unless you count, wait until they get tired of dropping mortar shells on us as a plan.

Go watch the clips in context. The meaning doesn’t change.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
What dishonesty?
Excellent — I will remember this comment the next time you want to complain about words being taken out of context.
Go watch the clips in context. The meaning doesn’t change.
Compare:
"We should kill puppies."
"We should kill puppies IF they have rabies."
 
Written By: JWG
URL: http://
Compare:
"We should kill puppies."
"We should kill puppies IF they have rabies."
That’s a terrific illustration of how context might matter. Now show me where McCain mentions rabies.

McCain is quite right in his walked back version of what he meant to say, that nobody cares how long troops are in Iraq if there’s nobody blowing them up there. In case you hadn’t noticed, that is not the situation in which we find ourselves.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
The ad is not deceptive. There are several instances of McCain advocating for us to stay in Iraq for 100 years. He shouldn’t have said it, but he did and it’s silly for you to whine about it.
 
Written By: Oliver Willis
URL: http://www.oliverwillis.com
and, again, as pointed out ad nauseum, those words were taken out of context.

he was specifically talking about military bases, much like we have in Japan and Germany (which, btw, we’re approaching the 70 year mark). THAT is what he was specifically talking about, and you KNOW this.

Continuing to twist his words around dishonestly, in the method you are doing, only shows the moral void you are becoming.
 
Written By: Joel C.
URL: http://
Oliver:
The ad is not deceptive. There are several instances of McCain advocating for us to stay in Iraq for 100 years. He shouldn’t have said it, but he did and it’s silly for you to whine about it.
JWG:
Oliver never does this. He freely admits that he supports dirty tricks for democrats and opposes them for republicans. He fully endorses hypocrisy for his side while decrying it on the other side. You can’t argue "fair" with Oliver.
Hat tip to JWG for knowing his subject.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
There are several instances of McCain advocating for us to stay in Iraq for 100 years.
... and the only one you can link to is the one that was intentionaly clipped of it’s mitigating language. Nice try, though...
 
Written By: SaveFarris
URL: http://
McCain is quite right in his walked back version of what he meant to say
Idiot — he gave the qualifying conditions in the very same breath.

This is a great example to demonstrate who around here can be intellectually honest. Retief failed miserably, which comes as no surprise.
 
Written By: JWG
URL: http://
Oliver Willis;
" Democrats produce a fundamentally dishonest limp wristed terrorist appeaser, Howard Dean"
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
Whee! This is fun. I bet I could get a job with the DNC.
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
Oliver Willis;
" Democrats produce a fundamentally dishonest limp wristed terrorist appeaser, Howard Dean"
Can’t deny those are his words.
 
Written By: jpm100
URL: http://
JWG, how does he plan to get to those "no americans’ dying" qualifying conditions? Those conditions are pie in the sky. Back in reality land one or two americans will be killed per day in Iraq for the foreseeable future. And guess what, McCain still want’s to stay for 100 years.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://

 
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