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Iraq - picking sides?
Posted by: McQ on Monday, May 05, 2008

Michael Yon explains what is happening in Iraq concerning the Mahdi army and our involvement in the fight with them. He explains why it is important, why it is different than fighting AQI and why our determination to help disarm them will most likely pay off in a more peaceful Iraq (although we may see a spike in US casualties).

That prompts Joe Klein to say:
When Michael Yon—who has spent as much or more time on the ground in Iraq as anyone—speaks, I listen, even when I disagree. And while it is undoubtedly true, as Yon argues, that elements of the Sadrist militia have devolved into criminality, it is also true that Sadrism is, arguably, the most popular trend among the Shi'ite majority in Iraq—and that involving ourselves in an intra-Shi'ite struggle is not a very wise course of action. It's difficult to stand by when Sadrist Special Groups are lobbing rockets into the Green Zone, but our current involvement in Sadr City also has the effect of drawing us deeper into an internecine Shi'ite struggle that really ain't our fight. We should finish the battle against Al Qaeda in Iraq up in Mosul while continuing to draw down our troops. Let the Shi'ites settle their own hash.
The premise? We shouldn't pick sides (the implied "civil war" bit) but should let them fight it out themselves.

Would someone, anyone, please inform Mr. Klein we picked sides long ago and for better or worse, chose the side of the shia dominated Iraqi government? Would you also pass along that, whether some like it or not, we have a huge vested interest in their success?
 
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I dunno. They’ve never managed to convince me that we were right to take sides against Al Capone in Chicago back in the ’30s. After all, look what that led to.
 
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Would someone, anyone, please inform Mr. Klein we picked sides long ago and for better or worse, chose the side of the shia dominated Iraqi government? Would you also pass along that, whether some like it or not, we have a huge vested interest in their success?
WTF?

Would someone please inform McQ that the Maliki government is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Iranians. Would someone inform him that Maliki sat out the Iraqi-Iranian war in Iran. Would someone inform him that Maliki’s political party was founded in Iran. Would someone inform McQ that ISCI, Maliki’s coalition partner, has a militia that has been trained by Iranians and receives pensions from Iranians.

Why do McQ and the rest of the wingnuts not understand that Maliki is a Iran’s b*tch in Iraq?

The United States does not have a vested interest in the success of the Iranians in Iraq. By contrast, the wingnuts do. They have thrown their lot in with the Maliki coalition.

This is your boy McQ. Maliki and Amhadinejad, holding hands. Man up, McQ. Admit your mistake.

Why do you love the Iranians, McQ?
 
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It’s easy to see why Joe Klein takes this tact .. they already "hate America" just soo they won’t be seen as taking sides .. here at home.

This brings me back to the "voice" on NPR that a few days after 9/11 (this wasn’t even long enough for Bush, by some persons’ measure, to squander the "We are all Americans" feeling) said that the "war on terror" wasn’t "his war". I seem to remember thinking that there were another 3000 Americans who didn’t get that choice, and I doubted, when push came to shove, whether he would either.

One definition of government declares that a government has the monopoly on the "use of force". Maliki is showing that he runs the government or Iraq.
 
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War protesters frustrated by apathy
 
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Is there any potential development in Iraq that Michael Yon wouldn’t call a sign of progress?
One definition of government declares that a government has the monopoly on the "use of force". Maliki is showing that he runs the government or Iraq.
Except for the "Sons of Iraq", right? Oh and the PKK. And Badr.

One would be wrong to think of the Iraqi government forces as a unified group loyal to the government. Maliki is more like the first among a set of barons, each of which provides forces to the government, but who have loyalty only to their own group. What’s going on with Sadr is Maliki attempting to surpess a rival baron whose power is growing.
 
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"When the Iraqis step up we will stand down"
G Bush June 2005 about 3 years ago.
Well by this time the first of the trained Iraqis will have finished their enlistment
 
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