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Considering that Obama has already renounced Rev Wright and disowned himself, I don’t think the Wright issue will be be a problem in the general election. But of course, that’s just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. |
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While many may think that the moral equivalence argument will force the Wright/Obama connection to go away, I think the "old news" meme works a lot better to that end. Better yet, they should muzzle Wright.
Meanwhile, the moral equivalence argument just keeps the the Wright/Obama connection alive in voters minds. |
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Aren’t Bush and Cheney McCain’s Wright and Ayers? |
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Aren’t Bush and Cheney McCain’s Wright and Ayers? For people who think like Wright and Ayers, yes. |
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Yes, Bush and Cheney are practically indistinguishable from Wright and Ayers.
Good grief. |
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Not indistinguishable perhaps but as campaign liabilites, far far worse. Morally Bush and Cheney are pretty awful too, but that’s more subject to the reader’s interpretation. |
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"Morally Bush and Cheney are pretty awful too" Uh huh.
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Aren’t Bush and Cheney McCain’s Wright and Ayers? I think Retief’s point, in light of the elections, is that there is no reason to go looking for a "Wright and Ayers" for McCain when you have Bush and Cheney to bang around and associate with McCain.
I can’t say I disagree. |
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In the case of Wright, what most of these folks want to do is ignore the relationship of 23 years between he and Obama in order to make the equivalence work.
So what? The point here is not to create a non-existent numerical scale of alledged moral fallibility and give Barack Obama a negative number and John McCain a *smaller* negative number. There is no numerical scale.
The simpler version of this narrative is: "John McCain sucks up to crazy angry hateful people just like Barack Obama".
The fact that one of them sucked up longer than the other is a fine moral, intellectual, debater’s point, but politics is a contest of messaging with only a tangential relationship to reality and complex evaluation of any kind.
Obama makes up quite a bit of ground by getting media to publish hateful Hagee statements and pictures of McCain smooching him. It’s exactly the same category of behavior, simply to different extents. The counterargument "McCain does it *less* than Obama is inherently uninspiring. McCain needs a contrast between a dirty Obama and a clean self, not two dirty candidates, one a little bit less so.
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The simpler version of this narrative is: "John McCain sucks up to crazy angry hateful people just like Barack Obama". You demonstrate the point of the post very nicely.
Obama didnt "suck up" to Wright ... he sought him out, estalished a relationship with him and maintained it for 20+ years.
Now, take that and try to make an equivalent argument for McCain and Hagee. |
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Obama makes up quite a bit of ground by getting media to publish hateful Hagee statements and pictures of McCain smooching him. It’s exactly the same category of behavior, simply to different extents. The counterargument "McCain does it *less* than Obama is inherently uninspiring. McCain needs a contrast between a dirty Obama and a clean self, not two dirty candidates, one a little bit less so. The now standard ’you did it first, you do it too’ bs arguments the decent parents taught their kids not to even TRY to make as a defense for wrongdoing.
The difference is we appear to be distressed about this sort of behavior by ’our side’ (that would be rightwingnuts according to your side) when we see it happening.
You on the other hand rather than be distressed by your side, defend it and when pressed shrug it off with a ’you guys do it to’ response.
I already know you can’t see the difference in those two positions. |
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Just how out of touch is this Obama character.
Barry ought to get with it. He doesn’t even know that he received the endorsement of Hamas, and denying it now ain’t gonna make it go away.
Come to think about it, maybe we finally found something other than the Obama/Wright connection with which to compare McCain/Hagee .. now it’s Obama/Hamas.
Let’s see he didn’t sit in the pews with Hamas for the last two decades, so the fit is much better.
Now my choice is much clearer .. is it MaCain who has the endorsement of some (unarmed) crazy preacher .. or Obama who has the endorsement of Hamas, a group on the State Department’s list of terror organizations ?
Gee .. that’s a real tough call there. |
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