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The 49 State Strategy
Posted by: Jon Henke on Wednesday, May 14, 2008

The Obama campaign says screw you guys, we're going to Oregon and Kentucky and Puerto Rico and Montana and South Dakota...
At Obama's Chicago headquarters, advisers said there was no reason to worry — West Virginia was demographically suited to Clinton and won't be part of their general election plans.
I guess they're dialing Howard Dean back to a 49 State Strategy. They're going to have much bigger problems, though, if Democrats keep saying things like this (from Oliver Willis)...
Because of proximity here in Maryland we get occasional exposure to Appalachian stuff. I know it’s not nice to say but as a black man in the 21st century it isn’t exactly a region I think should be having much say about the future of America. And it isn’t.
Democracy!
 
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Oliver Willis is like kryptonite to himself.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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[Appalachia] isn’t exactly a region I think should be having much say about the future of America.

So that’s how Soros really feels about democracy.
 
Written By: Aldo
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I guess they’re dialing Howard Dean back to a 56 State Strategy.

/corrected
 
Written By: the wolf
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Yes, because what I say is totally the same as what the chairman and likely nominee say, right? And by that extension, the GOP is going to spend a lot of time and resources trying to win Maryland in the general election, right?

Right.
 
Written By: Oliver Willis
URL: http://www.oliverwillis.com
Yes, because what I say is totally the same as what the chairman and likely nominee say, right
In your case yes, since all you do is pass along their talking-points...
 
Written By: shark
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Yes, because what I say is totally the same as what the chairman and likely nominee say, right?
Does that make it okay for you to have that attitude then?

Which is the point, after all, of the comment.
Specifically that YOU are, by virtue of being YOU, a bit of a spokesperson for the Democrats, self appointed and annointed though you may be.



 
Written By: looker
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I’m now a spokesperson for the Democratic party? Funny, my bank account does not reflect the promotion.
 
Written By: Oliver Willis
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I’m now a spokesperson for the Democratic party? Funny, my bank account does not reflect the promotion.

Some girls do it with anyone for money, Oliver. And I’m quite sure youow what to cal them.

Meanwhile, some girls do it for free, with anyone.
And I suppose you know what they get called, too.




 
Written By: Bithead
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Funny, my bank account does not reflect the promotion.
Ask Soros to put more in the teat for you.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Yes, because what I say is totally the same as what the chairman and likely nominee say, right?
Heh. Yeah, I encourage you to tell your colleagues that it’s not reasonable to criticize the other side based on what members of that ideological side say.

In any event, I didn’t suggest the Party was saying that. I merely pointed out that a "those people don’t count/shouldn’t have much say about the future of the country" attitude among Democrats is going to be...unhelpful.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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I’m now a spokesperson for the Democratic party? Funny, my bank account does not reflect the promotion.
I said ’a bit of a spokesperson’, no implication you were getting cash.
Besides, it’ll pay you somehow someday I’m sure. Ability to influence can be parlayed up to something more tangible, and you’re hardly an unknown in the world of bloggery.

I know, you’re probably doin it for the love...
 
Written By: looker
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Wow - talk about a tin ear for politics.

On the morning after a Dem won one of the reddest Congressional districts in the nation, by a 54-46 margin, in a campaign where the GOP tried to hang Wright around the Dem’s neck, Mr. Henke is making fun of the 50-state strategy.

54 to 46.

Face it - Americans - even those in deeply red America, are fed up with the political right.

At this rate, even if McCain wins Bush’s third term, he’ll be up against veto-proof majorities in both houses.

Looks like the "Next Right" is a dead end.

 
Written By: mkultra
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It’s unhelpful to suggest that conservative southerners out of touch with the rest of the country shouldn’t run policy? I guess. Unlike Sen. Obama I’m not running for office. I get to say I don’t think much of the south in its current form.
 
Written By: Oliver Willis
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One of the things I love about morons like ultra is that they are always so excited in May.

And especially how they get so excited about a special election for a Congressional seat on the same day that their presidential messiah loses by 41 points in a swing state (and in every conceivable demographic category) to a candidate who is now supposed to be a pariah in the party, and how nearly half of the voters say that if the messiah is the candidate they will either vote for McCain or stay home in November.

Talk about messiah momentum!

One more time: you cannot have a candidate who is 20 years and counting a member of a racist, black power church and expect American voters to elect him President of the United States no matter how many times you say "Bush."

The voters are going to shove that candidate right back up you a*s, the way they did yesterday in West Virginia.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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It’s unhelpful to suggest that conservative southerners out of touch with the rest of the country shouldn’t run policy?
I think this is a useful reminder of why Federalism was important. And a useful reminder that it’s dead.
 
Written By: Jon Henke
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"Unlike Sen. Obama I’m not running for office."

So that is what Obama really thinks, and he is just afraid to come out and say it?
 
Written By: ABC
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So that is what Obama really thinks, and he is just afraid to come out and say it?
Well, Obama wants "change." That’s all he needs to tell you. And if you don’t vote for him, you’re a racist.

He’s trying to keep the message simple, his voice sonorous, with hesitations indicative of deep thinking.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Last night I started watching "Bobby" a 2006 film about the day of RFK’s assassination. So far it’s awful but it is somewhat redeemed by marvelous archival footage of RFK campaigning in 1968.

In particular there is a news report of RFK in Prestonburg, a small town in East Kentucky, and you can see the town populace—young and old, white and black, poor and not-so-poor—turn out to greet RFK and they are obviously excited and happy to see him. RFK, in turn, speaks movingly of their plight after the mines closed up, the poverty, hunger and closed options, plus the loss of government programs due to the costs of Vietnam.

I wouldn’t be surprised that Obama studied this news footage and other RFK pieces. It’s almost note for note the same as the appeals Obama attempts to make today. But what a difference. RFK really could unite people across race, color, regional and class lines. Obama is barely campaigning in Kentucky and West Virginia, and he will lose badly in both places.
 
Written By: huxley
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One of the things I love about morons like ultra is that they are always so excited in May.
Gosh, you mean winning an election for Congress in May is somehow less valid than one won in November?

Please do explain.
One more time: you cannot have a candidate who is 20 years and counting a member of a racist, black power church and expect American voters to elect him President of the United States no matter how many times you say "Bush."
Yes, ask Congressman Davis how that strategy worked for him.
The voters are going to shove that candidate right back up you a*s, the way they did yesterday in West Virginia.
Or just like they did in North Carolina. Or like they will do in Oregon.

 
Written By: mkultra
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Ultra, for starters Obama is not going to win North Carolina in November.
Gosh, you mean winning an election for Congress in May is somehow less valid than one won in November?
No, winning an election in May for a Congressional seat isn’t going to mean a thing for Obama in November.

If he is the nominee, he’s going to get clobbered.

My only interest in not seeing him become the nominee is that his "post-racial" candidacy is going to set back race relations in the U.S. by fifty years.

He misrepresented himself, all along, and you saw the reaction to that yesterday among moderate and Reagan Democrats in WV.

He has no messiah momentum. It’s gone. He will lose Ohio, Pennsylvania, Floriday and probably a whole bunch more.

One more time: Americans are not going to vote for a 20-year and counting member of a racist, black power "church."
Yes, ask Congressman Davis how that strategy worked for him.
You incredible dope: Was Davis running for President of the United States?
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
"those people don’t count/shouldn’t have much say about the future of the country" attitude among Democrats is going to be...unhelpful.
It certainly is unhelpful. I mean it’s not like we’re talking about "latte-sippers" or "sushi-eaters". Those are the people who really shouldn’t have a say about the future of the country.
 
Written By: Retief
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@Retief: I’m missing the part of this blog where I’ve read that “latte-sippers” and “sushi-eaters” shouldn’t be represented in our Republic. Hell, I’m having a hard time even finding a mention of the terms at all.
 
Written By: Sean
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My only interest in not seeing him become the nominee is that his "post-racial" candidacy is going to set back race relations in the U.S. by fifty years.
Right. Your concern is duly noted.

This statement shows you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

50 years? So what you are saying is that if Obama becomes the nominee, we are going back to 1958?

That is an idiotic assertion.

I understand you fear the idea of a black candidate for President. That much is obvious. I don’t think you are a racist. I do believe that you are scared. And that’s ok.
You incredible dope: Was Davis running for President of the United States?
Did I say he was?

No. Of course not. And you know that.

My point was that hyping Obama’s scary "blackness" has not worked so far. It has obviously had an effect on you. But politically, it has backfired. At least so far.

I understand my point - which has been made by others - is over your head.

Sad.


 
Written By: mkultra
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mkultra:
Gosh, you mean winning an election for Congress in May is somehow less valid than one won in November?
Actually since it’ll be up for another vote in November and since winning or losing now has no major impact on the balance of power between now and November - yes. Like it or not the traditional Republicans are not motivated right now - so the real question isn’t could this seat turn-over in a special election - but what will happen in November?
... fear the idea of a black candidate for President
wasn’t addressed to me, but I’ve said it before I’ll say it again. I consider Obama fatally flawed. Hillary explored the racial concerns and the association with Farakhan and all the other racially related concerns- they’ll be in play at the water cooler... btw, quick aside I have an acquaintance who is an avid daily chaos follower and he immediately jumped on whoever that poor sap of a preacher that was supporting McCain was. It took two seconds to ask if 20 years made a difference and to then point out that not only had McCain disavowed, but the same preacher had publicly posted a document apologizing - has Rev. Wrong?

At any rate I doubt that the Republicans can or would touch the topic in the general - however, I expect both Rezko and everyone’s favorite underground terrorist to become issues. The nice thing (for McCain) with Rezko is that it helps innoculate McCain from discussions on lobbying. As for Obama’s terrorist friends from the 70’s and his support from Hizballah etc. the fact he was born a Muslim (as stated by his own campaign) those are issues that will crush him when in reality Democrats should have been able to cruise to this nomination. It’s still to far to say he can’t win - but Democrats have definitely leveled the playing field for the Republicans.
 
Written By: BillS
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BTW, regarding the Muslim - my apologies on saying his campaign, I should have said allies.
Also let me make clear I’m not refering to the internet rumor that claims he is Muslim, he has and I accept he truly has adopted Rev. Wrong’s afro-centric christian church and I fully accept that his beliefs are in line with the teachings of that church.

Here’s the NYT piece I was refering to regarding his birth as a Muslim: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html
 
Written By: BillS
URL: http://bills-opinions.blogspot.com/
ultra:
I understand you fear the idea of a black candidate for President. That much is obvious. I don’t think you are a racist. I do believe that you are scared. And that’s ok.
If Thomas Sowell was running for president, I’d vote for him in a second. I’ve already said that I would love to see McCain take Judge Janice Rogers Brown as his running mate.

You don’t think I’m a racist? How kind of you.

My objection to Obama is that he has for 20 years and counting sat in a racist, black supremacist church.

I can’t look into Obamas heart, and don’t have any inclination or obligation to do so. But doesn’t that fact sort of give you, maybe, a signal as to where Obama is coming from? Do you kind of get a hint from it? At the very least doesn’t it suggest a profound weakness of conscience and character beneath that sonorous baritone and messianic?

And did you say that Davis was running for president?

No, you idiot, you used the special election for a Congressional seat that he was up for in Mississippi and lost as an attempt to counterbalance a 40 point loss by Obama in the West Virginia presidential primary.

It is very important for the morons who refuse to look at Obama’s electibility to ignore what happened in West Virginia.

As I said, it’s certainly not his weakness as a candidate that bothers me, it’s that he will set back race relations in this country by 50 years. If you think that’s such a hard thing to do, just look at how far back those relations are in Jeremiah Wright’s church — all the way back to the days when black nationalist Marcus Garvey praised the Klan for promoting the separation of the races.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
More ultra:
My point was that hyping Obama’s scary "blackness" has not worked so far. It has obviously had an effect on you. But politically, it has backfired. At least so far.

I understand my point - which has been made by others - is over your head.

Sad.
"Scary ’blackness’?"

Let me ask you a question, you insufferable dope: if any presidential candidate attended a white Christian Identity church for 20 years and counting, and shrugged it off by explaining that it did good deeds "in the community," would you refer to making the case that that is unacceptable as "hyping the candidate’s ’scary whiteness’?"

Your point isn’t over anyone’s head, it’s nonsense.

Might I point out to you that David Duke tried the same routine but made a much clumsier attempt to hide his racist background. Do you give Obama the benefit of the doubt because he’s got the slick down?

And if you think that the reality of Obama’s connection to that church hasn’t hurt him politically, what do you think happened in Pennsylvania and West Virginia? He poured millions of dollars into Pennsylvania and lost by ten points. He’s supposedly on the brink of getting the nomination, and he loses West Virginia by 40 points, and loses in every conceivable demographic.

Right now Obama can count on black voters and nutjob base types, like you, who probably think that Obama is enhanced by his intimate connection with a racist church, not to mention unrepentant Weather Underground types. He’s still holding on, slightly, with white liberal guilt types. He has lost the working class base. He’s been outspending the Clintons by three to one and losing swing states.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://mcphillips.blogspot.com/
Iraq. And so far the best that any Democratic presidential candidate has been able to manage with Iraq is to make what I think of as the high school sex promise: I will pull out in time, honest dear.
 
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