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No Sympathy here ...
Posted by: McQ on Friday, May 16, 2008

From AFP:
Matthis Chiroux is the kind of young American US military recruiters love [or at least he fits the stereotype the MSM loves to perpetuate - ed.].

"I was from a poor, white family from the south, and I did badly in school," the now 24-year-old told AFP.

"I was 'filet mignon' for recruiters. They started phoning me when I was in 10th grade," or around 16 years old, he added.

Chiroux joined the US army straight out of high school nearly six years ago, and worked his way up from private to sergeant.

He served in Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, and the Philippines and was due to be deployed next month in Iraq.

On Thursday, he refused to go, saying he considers Iraq an illegal war.

"I stand before you today with the strength and clarity and resolve to declare to the military, my government and the world that this soldier will not be deploying to Iraq," Chiroux said in the sun-filled rotunda of a congressional building in Washington.

"My decision is based on my desire to no longer continue violating my core values to support an illegal and unconstitutional occupation... I refuse to participate in the Iraq occupation," he said, as a dozen veterans of the five-year-old Iraq war looked on.
Chiroux has served 6 years, meaning he reenlisted once, probably 2 years ago when we were clearly in Iraq to stay. What he swore when he reenlisted was the following:
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
He's about to find out that the military takes that oath very seriously.

The decision he's making today, should have been made 2 years ago before he ever took that oath to reenlist. I'm sure if he thinks the war is "illegal" today, he must have thought that to be the case 2 years ago. He'd successfully avoided having to serve there his first 4 years (and I don't mean that in any way other than he wasn't assigned to go there - after all he did serve in Afghanistan). He had to know it was inevitable, after reenlisting, that he'd eventually end up there.

I have no sympathy for him or his claim. Clearly, given how the war was agreed to by Congress, it isn't an "illegal" war. He may think it is immoral, for whatever reason, but that's not his claim. When you serve you don't get to pick and choose when and where you'll serve. As a friend of mine with two tours in VN used to say, "when you accepted the full scholarship, you agreed to play in all the games". And if you claim the order you've received is illegal and refuse to obey it, you better be right.

If not, Ft. Leavenworth's Disciplinary Barracks is ready when you are. I hope he enjoys making little rocks out of big ones.
 
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I’m with you, MQ. I thank this young man for his service, but regret that he has acted on some very bad advice.

I would much rather be prosecuting than defending the (soon to be former) Sgt.
 
Written By: vnjagvet
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I hope he enjoys making big rocks out of little ones.
Don’t you mean making little rocks our of big ones?
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Don’t you mean making little rocks our of big ones?
No. It’s a program unique to the USDB. ;)
 
Written By: McQ
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I agree. No sympathy. He signed a contract. If he says he cannot fulfill his side of the bargain, he should quietly accept his "reassignment" to Leavenworth.
 
Written By: Tim M
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No sympathy because he decided on Thursday... If in 2002-2003 or when he re-upped he filed a consciencious objector status saying he would have a problem if assigned to a combat zone, especially if it was part of his reenlistment, I might have sympathy - but waiting till he got assigned - no sympathy.
 
Written By: BillS
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So your thesis is that once you start murdering, you are morally obligated to continue murdering?

He was wrong to sign up as a jack booted thug in the first instance, and is justified in correcting this err by refusing to continue killing on a politicians whim.
 
Written By: wealthandtaste
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*snickers*

It’s funny, because you actually believe what you just typed...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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So your thesis is that once you start murdering, you are morally obligated to continue murdering?
Uh, no ... apparently that’s your thesis.
He was wrong to sign up as a jack booted thug in the first instance, and is justified in correcting this err by refusing to continue killing on a politicians whim.
Well sometimes being a jack booted thug is something to be preferred over being someone who enjoys their freedoms because of such people but isn’t bright enough to know it.
 
Written By: McQ
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No. It’s a program unique to the USDB. ;)
I was wondering, because I was doubtful they would issue super glue...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Matthis Chiroux is the kind of young American US military recruiters love [or at least he fits the stereotype the MSM loves to perpetuate - ed.].

"I was from a poor, white family from the south, and I did badly in school," the now 24-year-old told AFP.

"I was ’filet mignon’ for recruiters. They started phoning me when I was in 10th grade," or around 16 years old, he added
Funny....I was from a middle class family in the Northeast. i did excellent in school. The armed forces started phoning me when I was in school also.

 
Written By: shark
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In this write-up, Chiroux is described as a "photojournalist" who’s now "a Brooklyn College student in his first semester." No word as to whether he’s still doing as badly as he says he did in high school.

He testified that he served as an "army journalist." I guess since military personnel are notoriously illiterate, none of them will even notice if the army uses poor white Southerners who did badly in school as their journalists. I wonder if the recruiters who began luring him when he was in the 10th grade pitched the journalism thing while he was still struggling to graduate.

The congressional hearing that Chiroux’s announcement capped off was an "unofficial hearing hosted by the 72-member Congressional Progressive Caucus." Testimony was provided by members of the Iraq Veterans Against the War. Swell.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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So your thesis is that once you start murdering, you are morally obligated to continue murdering?

Hmm... is murder what we do? Well, "kill intentionally and with premeditation" describes it pretty well. So, yes, what we do is murder. What your taxpayer dollars fund is murder. And what keeps you safe at night is murder.

As to the thesis, I’d say you’ve got it exactly right. In war you get a choice: murder the enemy or he will murder you. Further, the enemy is going to do everything humanly possible to convince you that you will lose and that you should give up. That’s why you are bound by an oath that you will continue to murder the enemy for a set period of time. That’s why part of the soldier’s creed, the code of conduct and the Army values is an admonition against surrender. And the oath of enlistment is a moral (and legal) obligation to continue murdering the enemy until the enemy surrenders.

I thank this young man for his service

Why, in God’s name, would you do that?
 
Written By: Ben
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I was wondering, because I was doubtful they would issue super glue...
Knowing the Army, making big rocks out of little ones would involve lots of GAA, 550 cord, and 100 mph tape.
 
Written By: Jeff the Baptist
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A point that seems to be lost on Mr. Chiroux, and much of the "our presence there is illegal" crowd, is that even if we were to agree that the initial invasion was illegal, the current U.S. military presence in Iraq has been operating under a UN mandate for reconstruction since October of 2003 with the passage of UN Security Council Resolution 1511, which "authorizes a multinational force under unified command to take all necessary measures to contribute to the maintenance of security and stability in Iraq..."

The most depressing thing is that the media will likely present Mr. Chiroux’s cheap political grandstanding as a form of great moral clarity, while the U.S. soldiers who are working on a daily basis to protect the lives of innocent Iraqi civilians and help to rebuild their country from the ground up will be presented as a perennial waste of U.S. time, money, and effort. Not the least being the next likely President of the United States.
 
Written By: John Farmer
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I think this might have worked better if he had tried it closer to the election, since he might get a more sympathetic hearing from the next administration.

As it is .. he’s screwed .. but he might have a future along with Mr. Beauchamp in the Democratic party .. after he gets out of Leavenworth.
 
Written By: Neo
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"Don’t you mean making little rocks our of big ones?"

Where do you think the big rocks come from? Leavenworth has been in business for many years, and all the big rocks have been used, so they now have to rebuild them, which is more cost-effective than shipping in new ones.


(From Linda Morgan’s link)
“As an army journalist whose job it was to college and filter service members’ stories, I heard many a stomach-churning testimony of the horrors and crimes taking place in Iraq. For fear of retaliation from the military, I failed to report these crimes,” said Chiroux. “Never again will I allow fear to silence me. Never again will I fail to stand. ..."

One would think that if he actually wishes to be courageous and take a stand against these crimes committed by the US he would welcome the opportunity to go to Iraq where he could do so, even while the US paid him. He is, after all, a photojournalist, trained and equipped by the very people he wishes to expose (how ironic) to record and document these activities.

I think we all know the real reason. As McQ points out, nobody forced him to reenlist. All the soft, easy assignments are over for him, and he now faces a more difficult and dangerous one.
 
Written By: timactual
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All the soft, easy assignments are over for him, and he now faces a more difficult and dangerous one.
Like not dropping the soap...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Ahhh...the inevitable prison rape joke. Always funny, always tasteful.
 
Written By: Tim M
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I have a reputation to uphold. :)
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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He was wrong to sign up as a jack booted thug in the first instance, and is justified in correcting this err by refusing to continue killing on a politicians whim.
Great. Now he can do the ’honorable’ thing and face up to the consequences of his decision. You should be celebrating that since as ’repentent’ as he may be now he was at one time a "jack booted thug" and should answer for that, no? I hate to see young men choose poorly like this, but we all have free will for a reason. His transfer to Ft. Leavenworth will give him plenty of time to reflect upon the whole thing.
 
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