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Canada withdraws the welcome mat for US military deserters
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, May 21, 2008

For my second "no sympathy here" post of the week:
Canada is set to deport in June the first of possibly hundreds of American soldiers who sought asylum to avoid military duty in Iraq, a group backing the US deserters said Wednesday.

Corey Glass, 25, came to Canada in August 2006 after serving in Iraq as a military intelligence sergeant.

Authorities told him on Wednesday that his application to stay in Canada was rejected and he would be deported in early June, a spokeswoman for the War Resisters Support Campaign told AFP.

According to the group, several hundred Iraq War resisters are currently in Canada, many of them living underground. Glass would be the first of them to be deported, it said.

"This goes against Canada's tradition of welcoming Americans who disagree with policies like slavery and the Vietnam War," said Lee Zaslofsky, a War Resisters Support Campaign coordinator.
Except for one huge difference - these people weren't conscripted. They joined of their own free will. So, it isn't exactly - in fact it isn't even close - the same thing. People who choose to voluntarily join a military, knowing full well what the military does, cannot be taken very seriously when they suddenly become "war resisters".

I'm more of the opinion it has to do with the color of a particular streak you'll most likely find running up each of their backs than any serious resistance to any particular war.

Canada seems to have figured that out as well.
 
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Although logical, for me this was entirely unexpected and would not have happened had the previous Liberal Government had still been in power. And however much the modern day Left may abhor it, this action makes me proud to call Canada our friends again.
 
Written By: SShiell
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But can we have him transfered straight to Leavenworth prison?
seriously - in the interests of speedy processing if you choose to violate your contract by seeking asylum in another country, and if that country chooses to return you to the US, we will accpet your guilt and wishes by putting you directly in prison fox X number of years - no need for trial which was held in your absence.
 
Written By: BIllS
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Slavery?

Voluntarily enlisted deserters are like run-away slaves now?

 
Written By: looker
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When they deport them do we have to accept them?
 
Written By: timactual
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looker - ?Slavery?
Not sure I follow there - the penalty for desertion should be jail time, so make it a formal policy so that people thinking they’ll just run across the border recognize that the risk is a given number of years in prison - ideally make it a trial in absentia and it’s fair across all segments of the population. Not sure where your claim of slavery comes from. Indentured service is more appropriate. But don’t get me wrong - trial in absentia isn’t allowed in the US (even under the UCMJ afaik): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_absentia and I’m not necessarily advocating it so much as a quick trial and guided sentence :-)

Reality is I’d even be good with - you’ll be in leavenworth for an amount of time equal to your remaining contract when you deserted. Fact is I don’t want them returned to duty or sent to the front lines out of spite; see that causing new problems - but if they’re willing to leave the country I’m will to bet they’d rather cool their heals in Leavenworth then go.

I’m good with that - in fact I would just offer it as an option - sit in leavenworth - no pay but the government will allow you to complete your current commitment - you don’t even have to leave the country just agree to be placed in custody. (for Commissioned Officers it might be a mandatory 2 year stint, since after the first 4 they don’t have contracts.) The military will never do it but I do think its the best option... btw still fully support people who want to sign up or re-up as conscientious objectors and do so prior to getting orders. They can then balk when being sent to a war zone. I am however serious on changing the process to expidite it - we know he was there voluntarily he filed for asylum... of course there are already precedents for sentencing.

My main wish is just let’s not spend lots of $$$ prosecuting these folks in court let’s address it and move on - not much different from a standard plea bargain and given the potential max it’s a good plea deal - if they don’t want it take them to trial and let them know the maximum and typical penalties:
The maximum U.S. penalty for desertion in wartime remains death, although this punishment was last applied to Eddie Slovik in 1945. No US servicemember has received more than 18 months imprisonment for desertion or missing movement during the Iraq war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertion

 
Written By: BIllS
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These people are deserters. What should happen to deserters? They should be tried, and, if found guilty, sentenced to death. They should then be shot by a firing squad within 30 days.

Maybe Michael Moore can make a documentary on this. Call it "Eddie Slovik Returns."

 
Written By: James Marsden
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Forget Leavenworth, send him to Iraq.

As for the idea that people who disagreed with the concept of slavery (before the civil war that is) apparently would "escape" to Canada; people who really cared about ending slavery would have stayed in America to see that it was ended.
 
Written By: jows
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looker - ?Slavery?
Not sure I follow there - the penalty for desertion should be jail time, so make it a formal policy so that people thinking they’ll just run across the border recognize that the risk is a given number of years in prison - ideally make it a trial in absentia and it’s fair across all segments of the population. Not sure where your claim of slavery comes from.
From the post....
This goes against Canada’s tradition of welcoming Americans who disagree with policies like slavery and the Vietnam War," said Lee Zaslofsky, a War Resisters Support Campaign coordinator.
I’m not the one making it, I’m questioning the parallel this clown thought it would be appropriate to make. It’s typical of lefty heart following people to find the tiniest, and stupidest, parallels to try and make their point stronger, as if a run-away slave merely ’disagrees’ with the policy of slavery. Or perhaps this clown thinks free whites ’escaped’ to Canada prior to and during the Civil War because of a policy of slavery in the southern US states.

Jows makes the point, if you weren’t a slave, and you were against slavery, you didn’t run and hide in Canada because the US had institutionalized slavery since chances are you’d have been literally born into that situation, and until 1861, forced to suffer through it by being largely unaffected.
 
Written By: looker
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This problem stems from Carter letting the deserters and draft dodgers come back unpunished after Vietnam. Had they been forced to stay in Canada, or come back and face punishment for their crimes, you wouldn’t be seeing this absurd farce now.

 
Written By: MarkD
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Death is a traditional penalty for desertion in the face of the enemy, James.

It’s rather overkill for desertion from the US, not in face of the enemy, and I bet for most of these people, not even in the combat arms.

(It might be less objectionable as a preventative measure if there was a rash of desertion plaguing the military because deserters weren’t being punished harshly enough.

I don’t think there’s the slightest indication that such a condition exists today, or anything remotely resembling it - and I think if we ever got that badly off, mass-execution of deserters wouldn’t suffice to save the Republic anyway.)
 
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