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Reid and the Dems have no plan for future energy needs
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, July 02, 2008

Investor's Business Daily brings us the latest from probably the worst Majority Leader the Senate has seen in a very long time:
The Dr. No of the drill-nothing Congress tried to deflect the issue of rising gas prices Monday by telling Fox Business News that there are costs we should worry about besides those stemming from Democratic inaction. Our guilt is supposed to replace our anger. "Coal makes us sick," Reid said, "oil makes us sick, it's global warming, it's ruining our country, it's ruining our world, we've got to stop using fossil fuel . . . ."
In this case, he's partially right - we all know that in a perfect world, we'd be using something else - an alternative. But this isn't a perfect world and our energy needs aren't going to stand still as we try to develop alternatives. So we have to deal with and use what is available now and exploit it.

The problem is, "Dr. No" isn't just against petroleum and coal, but he's also against the use of very clean nuclear energy.

Instead Reid is invested in using "vapor ware" and convinced that our problem is we haven't thrown enough money at it. And, of course, once we do, everything will by hunky dory.
Even if we tripled our current output from wind, solar and geothermal, they'd produce just 2.2% of our current energy needs.
But even if we had the technology and it could fulfill the need, Reid forgets about the movement he and others have supported over the years:
The irony here is that it's environmentalists and Democrats who often stand in the way of alternative energy. Reid needs to talk to Ted Kennedy and John Kerry about their opposition to a wind farm off Cape Cod because it might spoil their view.

A 500-megawatt, 20,000-acre wind farm scheduled for Valley County, Mont., was stopped by environmentalists who complained that 400-foot turbines would disturb a nearby wilderness area.

The Sunrise Powerlink solar-energy project in Southern California is being fought because of a 150-mile, $1.5 billion high-voltage line connecting desert-based solar panels with the urban customers of San Diego Gas & Electric.
Not only have nuclear power plants, drilling and petroleum refineries been stopped by the environmental movement, so-called clean energy projects have been stopped in their tracks as well - aided and abetted by the likes off Harry Reid. He has no solutions, only road-blocks. And the candidate he supports is no better:
Agreeing with Reid is his party's presidential nominee, Sen. Barack Obama. In a primary debate in Nevada, Obama pledged: "I will end the notion of Yucca Mountain because it has not been based on the sort of sound science that can assure the people of Nevada that they're going to be safe."
If you're concerned with the future of our energy supply, you need to consider the fact that the present Congressional leadership hasn't a clue nor a desire to do what is necessary to ensure our energy supply in the near future. Couple that with an Obama presidency and we're looking at a lack of foresight that will economically effect us for decades to come.

This is a critical aspect of the coming election and people need to really dig into the plans on each side and make this a major issue for the voter. They need to demand specifics which will ensure the energy supply, even if that means coal and petroleum short-term with nuclear coming on-line and then the integration of alternative sources as they become technologically available and viable.
 
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probably the worst Majority Leader the Senate has seen in a very long time

Remember that this is the guy who publicly declared that the US had lost the war in Iraq shortly after the surge started. A guy who is over-eager to declare defeat for his country does not inspire much confidence.
 
Written By: Aldo
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Not only have nuclear power plants, drilling and petroleum refineries been stopped by the environmental movement, so-called clean energy projects have been stopped in their tracks as well - aided and abetted by the likes off Harry Reid. He has no solutions, only road-blocks. And the candidate he supports is no better:
Which is EXACTLY why I’ve said repeatedly, that the worst thing you can give a Democrat is what they ask for. An actual solution to a problem removes the wedge that keeps them proped in their position of governmental power... else the solution they demand makes the situation that much worse. Either way...

 
Written By: Bithead
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Harry Reid found alive.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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I’m wondering what to call these guys, though I think "Luddite" needs to be in there somewhere. Neo-Luddite? Energy Luddite?
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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...demand specifics which will ensure the energy supply, even if that means coal and petroleum short-term with nuclear coming on-line and then the integration of alternative sources as they become technologically available and viable.
What else could it possibly mean? What alternative is there for ensuring the energy supply?

As far as I can tell, Reid and company aren’t remotely concerned with ensuring the energy supply. On the contrary, they want the supply to falter and wane so dramatically that... I don’t even know. That we’ll suffer as much as they think we should for our energy sins? That dire, Democrat-legislated necessity will bring about the magical birth of some enviro-enhancing form of energy they might eventually be willing to permit us?

Who knows what they’re thinking? It seems to involve the notion that voters will go meekly to the polls this fall understanding that, however high the price at the pump and however imperiled our economic security, the oil in US government controlled lands must — like the congressionally enacted prohibitions against developing other energy sources — remain forever untouched.

Keep counting on that, Dems.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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I’m wondering what to call these guys, though I think "Luddite" needs to be in there somewhere. Neo-Luddite? Energy Luddite?
I find that "dunder-headed moron" works quite well...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Who knows what they’re thinking?
They’re thinking, we can appease the environmentalist bloc of our party so we can keep raising money from them, and vilify the Republicans while doing it. People wont notice they don’t have a solution after they’ve been elected because the MSM has always been in their back pocket.

And then it will be to late. I liked the McCain campaign answer, if global warming is such an urgent issue, then we need to build nuke plants as fast as possible, and deal with the waste later. The Obama team answer to nuke waste, well, the "answer" lies somewhere between one waste site in Yucca Mtn, and the 107(or so) sites we have now.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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I don’t know...I mean, they promised quite a bit in 2006 and where are those promises today? No one seems particularly upset except a vocal minority of their constituency that they have delivered on almost nothing.

We’re still in Iraq, etc and I’m still waiting for ’smarter, better’ to take shape.

Reid has history to fall back on as evidence their BS has worked to current date.
 
Written By: looker
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I agree with Looker. They can get away with it because we’re letting them.

Everyone will be so in rapture over Pres. Lightworker, minor details like $6 gas will be overlooked.

There’s always a boogeyman to blame for it (Republicans, Big Oil, Evil Speculators, Karl Rove, Global Warming Denialists, etc etc)
 
Written By: shark
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Higgins: It’s simple economics. Today it’s oil, right? In ten or fifteen years, food. Plutonium. Maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?
Joe Turner: Ask them?
Higgins: Not now - then! Ask ’em when they’re running out. Ask ’em when there’s no heat in their homes and they’re cold. Ask ’em when their engines stop. Ask ’em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won’t want us to ask ’em. They’ll just want us to get it for ’em!
Pass out the pitch-forks and torches.

Wait a minute .. we need somebody with experience. Hmmm .. does anybody have William Ayers phone number ? LOL
 
Written By: Neo
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Reid and the Dems have no plan for future energy needs
Without even reading your post, I can say that the above headline makes me feel more optimistic about the future than anything else I’ve read today. The absolute worst thing for our country would be for our Democratic Congress to have an energy plan they intended to implement.
 
Written By: Arcs
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They’re thinking, we can appease the environmentalist bloc of our party so we can keep raising money from them, and vilify the Republicans while doing it. People wont notice they don’t have a solution after they’ve been elected because the MSM has always been in their back pocket.
I’d say you’re right about who they’re playing to and why, but they vastly overestimate the number of US voters who’ll put environmental concerns over economic fears. What people will notice way ahead of the election — what they’re getting really unnerved about right now — are the looming threats to and diminishing supplies of jack in their own back pockets.
Everyone will be so in rapture over Pres. Lightworker, minor details like $6 gas will be overlooked.
Not on this planet I’m stuck on. The irritation and incredulity in the voices of people complaining about $4-a-gallon gas has already been supplanted by outrage in anticipation of $5 gas. Long before it hits $6, Congress, Obama and all concerned will get the message loud and clear that the price of a tank of gas isn’t a minor detail.
There’s always a boogeyman to blame for it (Republicans, Big Oil, Evil Speculators, Karl Rove, Global Warming Denialists, etc etc)
But those aren’t the people saying it’s here underground and, really, all around but we won’t let you have it. The commonsense wisdom of producing more of what’s in short supply to alleviate high prices is too straightforward and compelling for the electorate to overlook and, ultimately, for the Democrats to overrule.
The absolute worst thing for our country would be for our Democratic Congress to have an energy plan they intended to implement.
That’s right. All they need to do — all they should do — is get out of the way.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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Let’s make one thing very clear from the start, I think that near everyone would like to believe that the "energy fairy" will come and give us a new alternative energy system that is clean and abundant. But history tells us that ain’t gonna happen.

It took decades to put together the current system of automobiles, oil refineries, and gas stations that power them. If there was a breakthrough tomorrow, it would most likely with the best of efforts take 15 to 20 years to replace the current system.

Of course, this leaves out the problems of the switch over, the requirement that each and every American trade-in or convert their current automobile, and, do forget this one, it won’t be so clean as to satisfy the environmental community no matter (this leaves out the lawyers who will be suing everybody in the new venture, not to mention those "evil" automobile companies that pedaled the current vehicles and the "evil" oil companies that didn’t think the alternate sooner).

Remember, unlike the Manhattan Project, we aren’t building a handful, or even thousands, of bombs. We’re talking about 10’s of millions of automobiles, and that’s just in the United States.

An optimist guess of switching to an alternative system, based on reality, is 30 years.

Frankly, I expect Social Security will have better chance of satisfaction, and we all know that it will be broken before we get there.
 
Written By: Neo
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Republicans, Big Oil, Evil Speculators, Karl Rove, Global Warming Denialists, etc etc
Linda, sad to say, Shark’s list of the Economists of EVIL! will be the talking points of the day.
I have many liberal friends who are so divorced from any economic reality they ever knew in order to blame big oil for the lack of supply, and ONLY big oil, because they do, sort of, understand that if there’s a scarcity people can demand more money for their product. That’s as far as they need to see, and as far as the DO see, because after all George Bush is making a bundle off this gas crisis, and if, by chance he’s not, his buddies are! Democratic Congress you ask? Doesn’t exist, not a problem, isn’t a factor, needs more power in fact. Emperor Bush is the culprit and his big oil cronies are the ONLY culprits behind all this.

They will then trot out stories of the mythic 100 MPG carburetor, viable, cheap, wonderful fuel cells, electric cars, solar power and wind power, all of which, trust me, have been suppressed by the car manufacturers and BIG OIL (Dick Cheney and other friends of Bush) so the fat cats (all Republicans) can make more money. If only someone could wrest control of the country from Emperor Bush. Election of 2006? What? can’t have really happened, and can’t be a factor, after all LOOK at the way the country is going these days!

 
Written By: looker
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Uh, the Dems ran in 2006 on "elect us to a majority in the House, and you will see gas prices go down." Then: $2.60 a gallon. Now, after two years of the Dem majority: $4.10 a gallon.

Of course, if this was a Republican majority, the MSM would be reminding you not only of their 2006 promise but of their inaction to do anything then or now. But because the media wants to make sure there is Speaker Nancy Pelosi next year along with President Barack Obama, they will just continue to blame George W. Bush as if the Dems control nothing.
 
Written By: James Marsden
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If Harry Reid were a Roman, he would complain of possible water damage if attempts were made to stop Rome from burning.
 
Written By: Neo
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Reid and company aren’t remotely concerned with ensuring the energy supply. On the contrary, they want the supply to falter and wane so dramatically that... I don’t even know
Buzz: How are you fixed for fuel? Are you still using fossil fuels, or have you discovered crystallic fusion?
Woody: Well, we have double-A’s.
 
Written By: CR
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I recommend that you go look at the Obama energy & environmental plan, then ask yourself how his plan will ever reduce prices, especially in the short term.

Most expert agree tell you if we divert all corn production to bio-fuels that it will never generate more than 30% of the US automobile requirements. Beyond that the plan is conservation and "magic" alternative energy sources still yet to be discovered, but there is no plan to reduce your "pain at the pump".
 
Written By: Neo
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Obama energy plan is based on a flow chart diagram I was very fond of during the 80’s....

Process flow ran through various labled squares, rectangles and decision diamonds before entering a cloudish looking collection of bubbles which was labeled

"Miracle occurs here".



That’s the plan.
 
Written By: looker
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ask yourself how his plan will ever reduce prices, especially in the short term.
The obvious answer is it will raise prices further both short term and long term. The much sought after alternatives barely exist now and will likely not be ready for prime time use even decades after BHO would leave office. Meanwhile, fossil fuel use is discouraged by punitive taxation and fines as well as by exhaustion of current resources without adequate replacement.

The BHO energy policy you link to can be charitably described as "All you proles can freeze to death in the dark."
 
Written By: CR
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I’m wondering what to call these guys, though I think "Luddite" needs to be in there somewhere. Neo-Luddite? Energy Luddite?
Calling them Luddites would be giving them too much credit. There is no logic behind their position on this issue other than they believe it will give them more power. Bithead is right. Democrats want us to have energy problems so that they can use it as an issue to get more votes and to gain support for more government regulation.

Democrats haven’t thought their position through in regard to creating policies that would actually provide a stable and affordable supply of energy to the American people. They are thinking exclusively about their short term prospects for gaining power. They aren’t serious people and it is absolutely pathetic that they are in power in our country. The American people deserve $5.00 per gallon gasoline however, because they voted for these idiots.
 
Written By: jt007
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Anyone have a link to the 2006 Democrat’s promise to make gas prices go down? I’d really love to show that to some people.
 
Written By: Harun
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Anyone with the stones to reference "Toy Story" in one of these threads is all right by me....

Well done, sir/maam...
 
Written By: rob
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All they need to do — all they should do — is get out of the way.
Amen, Linda.

It’s funny how effective getting out of the way is.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
"stories of the mythic 100 MPG carburetor"

Ah, memories. I remember seeing ads for those in the pulp SF magazines, along with the ads for that certain religion (or is it ’faith tradition’?) now espoused by a few Hollywood types.
 
Written By: timactual
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Right above the "sea monkeys" offers!
 
Written By: looker
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looker:
Republicans, Big Oil, Evil Speculators, Karl Rove, Global Warming Denialists, etc etc
Linda, sad to say, Shark’s list of the Economists of EVIL! will be the talking points of the day.
I have many liberal friends who are so divorced from any economic reality…
That Oilman in the White House tune, especially, has been a fixture at the top of the charts these past several years, even claiming fans who’d be insulted if you called them liberal. I hear it a lot, too, and I don’t suppose it will fade away going into November.

But given notable pain at the pump – and the undeniable ways that both those oil prices and one’s first defenses against them rattle the daylights out of the economy – won’t the demand to Drill! finally drown out the grumbling and command the attention of the only folks who can stand aside and Make It So? Maybe not. Maybe in aggregate, American voters really do trust Reid and Pelosi – or God and the Saudis – to be wise enough and strong enough and benevolent enough to make everything okay.

Or maybe we do have enough double-As to get by.

Martin:
It’s funny how effective getting out of the way is.
You make it sound like it’s happened before and on Capitol Hill no less. Must have been before Democrats were invented and Republicans got jealous of them.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
URL: http://
Large amounts of oil and natural gas lay beneath our land and off our shores, untouched because the present administration Congress seems to believe the American people would rather see more regulation, taxes and controls than more energy.
Passage form the 1980 acceptance speech by Ronald Reagan, with my present day amendment.
 
Written By: Neo
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You make it sound like it’s happened before and on Capitol Hill no less.
Well, right after Al Gore invented it, the Congress pretty much stayed out of the way of the internet and it pretty much went planet and took over.

Although Andrew Cuomo (the A.G. of New York State) just made a big move to shut down poor old Usenet. But that can’t be blamed on Congress.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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