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"Unity" is more than a town in New Hampshire
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, July 05, 2008

As Barack Obama is finding out, if polls are any indication:
One week after Sen. Hillary Clinton made a public show of unity with Sen. Barack Obama, a new survey suggests supporters of the New York senator are increasingly less likely to follow her lead.

A growing number of Clinton supporters polled say they may stay home in November instead of casting their ballot for Obama, an indication the party has yet to coalesce around the Illinois senator four weeks after the most prolonged and at times divisive primary race in modern American history came to a close.

According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Friday, the number of Clinton supporters who plan to defect to Republican Sen. John McCain's camp is down from one month ago, but — in what could be an ominous sign for Obama as he seeks to unify the party — the number of them who say they plan to vote for Obama is also down, and a growing number say they may not vote at all.
Reading through the comment sections on a number of lefty blog I ran across quite a few commenters who claim they'll not be voting for Obama for various reasons. Kos even put out a post saying he wasn't going to reward "bad behavior" (i.e., Obama's move to the right) with a donation. And the latest thing which has put them off is the seeming softening of his stance on late term abortions.

Whether or not those commenters actually hold to what they're saying remains to be seen, of course, but at the moment they don't seem to be quite as happy with their "new" politician as they once were.

Anyway, the latest numbers:
In a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey completed in early June before the New York senator ended her White House bid, 60 percent of Clinton backers polled said they planned on voting for Obama. In the latest poll, that number has dropped to 54 percent.

In early June, 22 percent of Clinton supporters polled said they would not vote at all if Obama were the party's nominee, now close to a third say they will stay home.

In another sign the wounds of the heated primary race have yet to heal, 43 percent of registered Democrats polled still say they would prefer Clinton to be the party's presidential nominee.

That number is significantly higher than it was in early June, when 35 percent of Democrats polled said they preferred Clinton to lead the party's presidential ticket.
You'd think that those numbers would begin to come down at this stage, instead of going up. It would seem the disappointment of a Clinton loss has been exacerbated by Obama's rather clumsy move toward the center. Clinton supporters reluctant to vote for Obama may be using that move to the right as further justification for not voting for Obama (as if Clinton wouldn't have tried the same maneuver).

While it is way too early to give this poll much credence, it is, still, a potential problem for an Obama candidacy. If a third of the Clinton supporters do indeed stay home and a decent number of them cross over and vote for McCain, it could spell real trouble for Obama. As he's finding out, unity doesn't become a reality just because you announce that to be the case in a town called Unity.
 
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Obama’s rather clumsy move toward the center
Especially when you have an inept former general go out and cause a needless stir that masks out your "big speech" on patriotism by attacking somebodies military service, claiming that it didn’t supply the kind of experience that Obama, himself, doesn’t have.

Maybe next Obama can have Dick Durbin attack McCain’s legislative accomplishments, so it can highlight Obama’s "painfully thin" portfolio of legislative accomplishments, both in Washington and Illinois.
 
Written By: Neo
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Wes Clark assumes his position "under the bus."
 
Written By: Neo
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Regardless of if they vote for him or not (and make no mistake, they will) when do the far left realize that they are "the rubes"?

Everytime they think they’ve won, the people they elect turn around and play them for the chumps (and piggy banks) they are.

Hence, the most vital issue of immediately ending Iraq has been ignored by their congress and now their Lightworker.

I think I know who’s next in line to go under the bus
 
Written By: shark
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Everytime they think they’ve won, the people they elect turn around and play them for the chumps (and piggy banks) they are.
Starting in 1988, you could say the exact same thing about the GOP base.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Clumsy or no, Obama’s lean to the right is a good move period, and shows that he isn’t beholden to the far left; if they don’t like it, I hope they don’t let the door hit their arse on the way out.

As for the disgruntled Clintonistas, boo hoo. I think that Obama will pick up enough Independants and soft Republicans to neutralize their departure. Believe me, considering all the loony raving by them I read on various forums, they won’t be missed.

Conservatives, I wouldn’t smack my chops at this latest poll, hoping that it bodes well for McCain, he still has a mighty hill to climb with his own flip-flops, misstatements, and tired old retreads of the failed Bush policies.

On the bright side, an Obama Presidency will allow you time to seize control of the Party from the neo-cons and religious zealots that have co-opted it, and return to your Party roots. Time for the Barry Goldwater style Conservatives to reappear I opine.
 
Written By: radical_moderate
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Billy-

Agree 100%

The difference though is that lots of us taken for Rubes by the GOP have decided to sit out until they change their act.

You won’t see that on the hard left now or ever, whatever the polls today say.
 
Written By: shark
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Clumsy or no, Obama’s lean to the right is a good move period, and shows that he isn’t beholden to the far left; if they don’t like it, I hope they don’t let the door hit their arse on the way out.
Does it? Or does it mean he’ll do and say whatever it takes to be elected (being a "new" politician and all).

That’s the argument out there right now. And that argument does the man with the very thin resume no good in real terms.
 
Written By: McQ
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I guess I am one of those voters who will not support Obama.
I simply cannot support someone with his inexperience and constant changing of policies.
Who is he?

I don’t know - does anybody?
 
Written By: SWEETIE
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Obama’s lean to the right is a politcally expedient move, not necessarily a good one.

Predictable. You bet. As is his shallow lip-service to unity.

But neither Obama nor his handlers, bundlers, bumblers or devotees elsewhere could foresee the depth and width of the chasm they’ve created in the ranks of Dems, liberals and leftists.

It will not be bridged successfully, in time to help Obama, even if that help would matter.

The longer and deeper the divide continues, the more the rest of us get a good look at what we’ve always seen: The emperor-in-waiting really has not clothes and his words mean nothing.

And he is woefully unqualified to be president.
 
Written By: CKA in Red State USA
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"Does it? Or does it mean he’ll do and say whatever it takes to be elected (being a "new" politician and all)."
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Clearly Obama is in it to win it. I would also say that McCain’s many flip-flops suggest that he too will say or do anything to win the Presidency. Such is the nature of the beast.

It pains me to say so, since I wanted to vote McCain in 2000. I disliked Gore and detested Lieberman. At any rate, I think that McCain was the right man for the job in 2000, but not now. Why? His age does concern me, but beyond that he has refuted every idea that made him a maverick in 2000. I also want more balance on the Court than McCain promises, LOL. Clearly most of you want to see the Court be 100% Conservative, but, as my name suggests, I want a little diversity of Opinion, and though I have no personal stake in Roe, I don’t want to see it overturned. Now that the gun issue is settled, I don’t think that Obama appointing another Souter or Ginsberg to the court as he promises will be such a big issue to moderates and Independants.
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"But neither Obama nor his handlers, bundlers, bumblers or devotees elsewhere could foresee the depth and width of the chasm they’ve created in the ranks of Dems, liberals and leftists."

Wishful thinking I believe. Exactly why would any rational person vote back in the Party that has screwed up so royally? What happened to your Party anyway? Where did the Reagan shrewdness and restraint disappear to? Bush 41, was a careful politican, although uninspiring. I think that Conservatives need time to reclaim their original Mandate: small Government, less interference in personal Liberties, etc., and stop this "coercive Democracy" crap. How can you pursue Free-Market Capitalism when the current Administration has reduced the once Almighty Dollar into play money?

How will McCain fix that and reclaim America’s Moral Authority in the World, if anyone can tell me WHY I should vote McCain over Obama I’d be interested in hearing it (look, I’m no kid, and have read through Obama’s economic plans extensively),nor am I a far lefty, so I’m not tooting my support for him outta my arse.

Frankly, Obama and McCain are not that different on many issues, Immigration Reform, revamping energy Policy (although I think Obama does need to look at Drilling, and he has already said that he wants a second look at Nuclear Power, much to the left’s outrage.)

Given Obama’s slight National resume, I think that the election might just be decided in part on who Obama picks as VEEP, I think that his pick will give us a better idea of how moderate his administration might be.

 
Written By: radical_moderate
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I’m planning to vote for BO, but my motivation for doing so is evaporating quickly. The bottom line was always the likely Supreme Court appointments in the next term. Now that BO has limited his support for a woman’s right to choose to give birth, expressed support for universal gun ownership, and supported the expansion of the death penalty for people who haven’t killed anyone, one wonders just how much of an improvement he would be over McCain....not that I would ever vote for McCain. Although I’m planning to vote for BO, I also reserve my right to change my mind, just as he does on a daily basis. To echo an earlier post, "Who is Barack Obama." He becomes more of a mystery very day.
 
Written By: Yellow Dog
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McCain won’t be able to put his judges in. The Democrats will control the Senate.

McCain will keep the Democrats from running amok, and he’s a much better, more principled candidate than Obama.

So Democrats, if you don’t like Obama, don’t stay home. Don’t Be a Good Democrat—instead, vote for McCain.
 
Written By: Cal
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I can’t wait to NOT vote for Obama! How can anyone trust a man who spent 20+ years mentored by an anti-American racist and whose long-time friends and associates include a convicted criminal and a domestic terrorist.
 
Written By: dwilson
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Amazing, Obama and his supporters can’t fathom why every loyal democrat won’t instantly see the light and come over to Obama’s side. Could it be that the invective on all sides of this campaign (including the Republican contest) has changed as a result of the media’s coverage of gotcha politics and the modern miracle of the internet.

The nature and volume of slurs and insults that opponents hurl at each other in public and in blogs like this are creating harder lines for people to cross. I am sure I will never enter into a political discussion with another black person without wondering if he/she is the one who suggested in one of these harmless blogs that I should be killed. Nor will I ever feel the same way about a dear friend who constantly suggests that anyone who ever cast a vote in opposition to her point of view is simply a "mouth breathing, knuckle dragger." Or another friend (ex) who suggested that the country would be better off if a particular political figure were simply assassinated.

Or worst of all, how can Obama’s supporters reasonably believe that people who actually devoted their lives to the proposition that "all men are created equal" will forget the repeated charges of racism every time they questioned anything Obama did? Sure, disagreements will pass. But will disrespect?

At what point do the anonymous slurs and insults of the new e-age become insurmountable barriers to unity? Perhaps we are there.
 
Written By: mrdon
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"McCain won’t be able to put his judges in. The Democrats will control the Senate"
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And the Democrats controlled the Senate when Scalia and Thomas were passed through...and you were saying?

"So Democrats, if you don’t like Obama, don’t stay home. Don’t Be a Good Democrat—instead, vote for McCain."
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Again I ask, WHY should I vote for McCain when I think that the direction the Country is headed in is disasterous. Are you a proponent of McCain for purely ideological reasons? (He is a Republican) or do you really think that he has given clear cut reasons why his economic, and International Policies are different from, and better, than George Bush’s? I just don’t see it myself.
 
Written By: radical_moderate
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McCain’s many flip-flops
Is it a flip-flop when the change took place over a position for years ago?
I think that the direction the Country is headed in is disasterous
Trust me, Obama would be many order of magnitude worse.
Are you a proponent of McCain for purely ideological reasons?
I think it’s safe to say that no one here will be voting for McCain merely because he’s a Republican...

Ignoring the fact that McCain is about as democrat as a republican can get, it still holds that McCain is less bas than Obama.

And as much as it disgusts me, that’s good enough this year. It has to be, because it is all we get.

I’m stocking up on booze to get ripped before voting, so I won’t feel the shame.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Mr. Obama’s move toward the center historically should get him more votes, but I wonder if that will mean that the Left will react with considerably less money heading his way and the independents will react negatively to his flip on public financing. With his pulling out of public financing seemly a political negative, he may find that his move to the center may cause a financial negative as well.
 
Written By: AMR
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when do the far left realize that they are "the rubes"?
I don’t think the left will be the only folks made "the rubes" by Obama.
 
Written By: Neo
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"Trust me, Obama would be many order of magnitude worse."
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How so precisely? As I’ve said, I have taken a careful look at Obama’s economic and social proposals and find nothing extreme in either. As a matter of fact, some Conservatives have endorsed Obama including Susan Eisenhower (granddaughter of Ike), Lincoln Chaffee, and even Chuck Hagel’s wife has contributed to his Campaign. If Obama were as "scary" as you imply, do you really think that these people would stand behind him?

To be honest, with the economy in shambles, I don’t think that a President Obama will do many tax hikes.

Both McCain and Obama are moving toward the Center. Yet McCain’s proposal for more tax cuts, etc. will put this Country into another $400,000 Billion Dollar hole. I also don’t see how pursuing more Free-Trade agreements will help unless the Trade deficit problem is seriously addressed.

Whoever is President he will inherit problems that won’t be fixed in his first term, that much is certain.

Kevin Phillips (Republican) who writes about the crisis of American Capitalism in his latest book, "Bad Money," predicts a weak McCain Presidency (if he is elected) with a Democratic majority in Congress. If that happens, little will get done; oh I think that McCain might get something done about the Global Warming issue, but Iraq will stay quagmired, and who knows what will happen with Iran. America will certainly remain the willing Host for a "blood sucking" Israel, no matter who wins, alas.

I think that it is easy for Conservatives to claim that Obama will be a marxist, or that the sky will fall if he is elected, etc. when they haven’t been on his website or studied his proposals seriously.

I also wonder what impact Obama’s VP pick will have on the campaign? I am still hoping for Webb or Hagel.
 
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