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Moonbats, Rove, South Ossetia and Iran
Posted by: McQ on Monday, August 11, 2008

For some, everything is a conspiracy to keep Democrats out of office (Because, you know, it couldn't be about the message. That wouldn't be enough to keep them out.).

And if they have to twist a bit to make it fit, well, they don't mind. Today from Blake Fleetwood, a HuffPo post entitled "What a Convenient Little War for the Republicans".

Yes, somehow the all powerful Republicans, who stand a good chance of being shut out of both the legislative and executive brances of government this fall, have managed to get Pooty-poot to act in their behalf.
What is most interesting is that McCain's chief foreign policy aide, Randy Scheunemann,has been advising/lobbying for pro-western Georgia for the last four years.

Can't you just imagine what happened?

Randy lets it be known to the Georgian President that this would be a good time for Georgian troops to invade South Ossetia, which had been an autonomous territory for more than a decade. The Georgians didn't take much persuading, as they had been wanting to crack down with their troops for a long time.

And with American — Republican — support, what a better time to act?

Meanwhile Bush is conveniently meeting with Putin at the Olympics in Beijing and lets it be known that if Georgia attacks Ossetia, the US will not "mind" — Wink Wink — an aggressive response from Russia.

Oh, we will talk tough, but we are not going to do anything..... And this mini crisis will be good for the Republicans in the 08 Presidential Election.

Classic Machiavellian maneuvers as adapted by Cheney and Rove.
What are they going to do when Rove/Cheney are gone?

I'm coming to believe there may be some validity in what Martin McPhillips said earlier in a comment on this post.
I see this as payin’ it forward — in other words the price demanded by Putin from the U.S. — for an Israeli hit on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

The Russians will get off with a slap on the wrist for this and they will in turn "round up the usual suspects" when the Israelis act.

At the end of the day the Russians will have carved some steaks off of Georgia and the Iranians will have some nuclear facilities made into landfills (via Israel’s use of advanced U.S. bunker-busters).
That would be the realpolitik view (and solution) to this. In that case it would end up being a convenient little war for the Bush administration, but not for the reasons Fleetwood tries to fabricate (i.e. the politics). Instead, should Obama win, you can expect an Israeli strike against Iran to happen between November of '08 and the first half of January '09. Depending on how the Georgia/Russia dustup ends, and what, if any action we take, the trade will be a mostly silent Russia if Israel strikes Iran.

Now that would be Machiavellian.

(HT: markm)
 
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Oh, we will talk tough, but we are not going to do anything..... And this mini crisis will be good for the Republicans in the 08 Presidential Election
It will be GOOD? How will it be good? By demonstrating we can’t do anything about an ally being overrun the Republicans will come out looking good?
What kinds of drugs are these people on anyway? That’s some seriously good hallucinogenic stuff they have.
I guess it will be good for the Republicans because boxhead claims it will be good for the Republicans. No proof or further thought is necessary.

Maybe Bush/Cheney can get Putin to overrun South Moonbatia when he’s done in Georgia.
 
Written By: looker
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Now that would be Machiavellian.
And it would utterly escape the far-lefties even if you explained it slowly using simple charts and pretty pictures...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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So this is American politics "as usual"? Or perhaps it is the infamous October Surprise (albeit 2 months early)? Give me a friggin’ break...open your eyes Fleetwood you a$$hat! How small your world must be? This is not about party politics or paying it forward; it is payback for Kosovo’s independence.

The Russians are not stupid and (apparently) they have now rejuvenated their military machine. It goes something like this: Putin is thinking "Now how can I 1) get back at the US & Europe for dissing us on Kosovo?, 2) Show the entire world we are no longer a military invalid?, and 3) Put some real pressure on the US/Iranians (at the same time no less) and give Russia an edge in negotiations of future world affairs? Hmmmmm...I think this Georgia thingy might work."

Jeeezzz...get a clue. Or at least check your damn unadulterated hatred of GWB and the US at the door before you start spouting off about geo-politics. Hell I will settle for you even reading a STRATFOR summary once in a while! Until then, STFU and sit down.



 
Written By: Unscripted Thoughts
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I don’t know about this theorized quid pro quo.....if Russia actually makes to reabsorb Georgia after all.

Bush sounds pi$$ed at them.

*SIGH* In a just world, this clown Putin would be snuffed out like the cretin he is
 
Written By: shark
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What is truly frightening is that the same nutbags and loony fruits who make this stuff up to explain their own psychoses are the same nutbags and loony fruits who are advising Obama on foreign policy. Which is why he said, today, that he would have the UN Security Council "meet and pass a resolution on Russia," wholly forgetting that Russia is on the USSC and has a VETO over any resolution.

But Mr. Barack "57 states" Obama doesn’t know that - because he is a moron, and so are those around him.

And this wants to be President. I shake my head in disbelief.
 
Written By: James Marsden
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Typical Q and O post - cite some off-the-wall type as representative of all persons who disagree with the Bush/McCain approach to foreign policy rather than deal with the complete f*ck-ups on the right wing/neocon side who run the show and who screwed the pooch on the Russia/Georgia issue.

Face it - the Russia/Georgia conflict has made blatant the ineptitide of the right wing on foreign policy in a way that even Iraq couldn’t. You wingnuts encouraged Georgia to take on Russia, and you were too stupid to get it that Putin was playing hard ball. Your boy Bush looked into Putin’s soul and has been played by him for the last 7 years.

So the Cheney’s and the Kristol’s and the Kagan’s stamp their feet and say something must be done. Like what? Invade Russia?

Your boy Bush was playing grab-ass in China while Putin was schooling him. And McCain is more of the same.

Bush led Georgia to believe he would back them up - because he knew Putin’s soul. But then Putin called his bluff. And now what?

Jesus - Obama could be drooling from the mouth and still do a better job than the neocon clowns Q and O fawns over.
 
Written By: mkultra
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"Like what? Invade Russia?"
Do what Truman should have done.

"You have three days to start moving your people back across the border or I’ll start shooting their rotten asses off."

Putin would run like a rat if he had the least suspicion that he was facing someone who would actually do it.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Do what Truman should have done.

"You have three days to start moving your people back across the border or I’ll start shooting their rotten asses off."

Putin would run like a rat if he had the least suspicion that he was facing someone who would actually do it.
Perfect. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

On to Iran.
 
Written By: mkultra
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And this mini crisis will be good for the Republicans in the 08 Presidential Election
I call this projection. It’s the thinking of the Democratic leadership and associated pundits who were happy to see the US fail in Iraq, and even put their backs into making that happen, no matter what the cost to the US, Iraq or the world.

Because that major crisis would be good for the Democrats in the 08 Presidential Election. It came very close to working.
 
Written By: huxley
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The other problem with this HuffPo conspiracy thinking is that, given Obama’s diplomacy-is-the-solution-to-everything approach (except for his contrarian claim that the US should invade Pakistan), any international crisis will make Obama look weak and foolish.

The idea that the whole world should hold still and sing kumbaya, lest they be seen to conspire against Obama’s election, is as silly as the idea that the whole world is going to hold still and sing kumbaya after Obama is elected.
 
Written By: huxley
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MK is so formulaic that you can’t parody him/her/whatever effectively. I mean, how can you top what he just said. I think even Iowahawk would be hard pressed to do it.

So Huff Po is some off the wall type?? Ok, that is moving the goal posts pretty far.
 
Written By: capt joe
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MK is so formulaic that you can’t parody
It’s an agglutination of leftover KGB memes just slightly transfigured for today’s news by the International Action Center et al.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
Now for some fun — a technodance anthem celebrating Putin: Takogo Kak Putin (You Must Be Like Putin).

It’s gotta good beat; you could dance to it. Quite catchy.
 
Written By: huxley
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And here we have the dubbed English version:

He Must Be Like Putin

My boyfriend is dumb
He smokes and he’s drunk
My boyfriend is dumb
but even more exhausting

I told him get out
I need a new boy
I told him I know
He must be like Putin

He must be like Putin that’s to begin
He must be like Putin then I give in
He must be like Putin - needs just one way
He must be like Putin - he won’t run away

 
Written By: huxley
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GG: Who’s Jesus to you?

(He laughs nervously)

OBAMA: Right. Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.

And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.
Well this pretty much reinforces my view of Obama.
 
Written By: Neo
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Typical Q and O post - cite some off-the-wall type as representative of all persons who disagree with the Bush/McCain approach
Like we do with you, for example?

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Well this pretty much reinforces my view of Obama.
I read the interview through.

Names Wright, Pfleger, and Meeks as the people who look out for him, when asked who looks out for him (one assumes "spiritually"). (And he’s talking to a Chicago reporter who knows precisely who he’s talking about.)
GG:
What is sin?

OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
The definition of sin is that it is an offense against God.

I read the interview as a con job. He knows what the church he belongs to teaches, but his loosey-goosey take on Christianity suggests Unitarianism, not "God is black, and white Christianity is inspired by the devil." So he knew back then that he needed to hide Wright and Cone’s "theology."

If he believed what he says in the interview he believes he couldn’t belong to Trinity.

And he really thinks highly of Pfleger, who is a Catholic priest along the lines of Father Coughlin, only worse.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com

 
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