Still really in lurking mode, but I have to say this is one post where I think your analysis is pretty good. I think the better comparison is to Serbia/Kosovo than Iraq though. My take: http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/american-hypocrisy/ |
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Scott Erb
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In the abstract sense of Russian power, it was good to see the Russian military in action. Probably a little embarrassed by the tiny scope of the mission, this could still be a mild steroidal confidence booster on the scale of a Grenada.
I wasn’t surprised to hear that the Russian population is now down to 140,000, making it less populous than Nigeria and just a tad larger than the island civilization of Japan (and but twice the population of the isolation state of Iran).
And the Georgians might have learned a lesson about bear baiting that will help them survive in the future.
Still, Russia, despite the noise about its resurgence in the form of a mob state and a "strategic partner" with this or that power conglomerate, is a civilization that’s near the end of its lifespan. And the staggering spent bear is surrounded by wolves.
With its nuclear arsenal it remains the corpse in armor it became as the Soviet Union, with one last romantic flicker about its own greatness to keep it going.
"Not with a bang, but a whimper." |
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Martin McPhillips
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Typo: that should be 140,000,000 for the Russian population. |
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Martin McPhillips
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Just out of curiosity Bruce, what if Putin also seeks "regime change" in The Ukraine or the Baltics? Do you think we should respond militarily to help them if the worst happens? |
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John
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Great.....another people (Georgians) who will now hate us and spit on the ground at the mere mention of our name... |
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Was support for aggressive conflicts part of our alliance with them? Somehow i dont think it was, they messed with the Russians first and got that they deserved if my facts are straight. |
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It’s pretty clear that Putin wants to regain the territory lost in the last 17 years. As Martin writes above, will Russia stop with Georgia or will they move on to other newly independent countries like the Ukraine and the Baltics? Sure, they’ve made some cold, hard calculations about where and when to begin reclaiming their land, and it’s time for the US to ’man up’. If our word, and our principles are to mean ANYTHING to the rest of the world, we had better demonstrate our willingness to defend/support those principles. A close examination of the globe reveals that Iraq is but an intermediate sortie away, and we have plenty of available air assets that can provide some support. If the US starts backing down on crises that remove democratic regimes, well then every tinpot (read Chavez) that wants to grab land is going to be encouraged. Saying that ’it’s just not worth it’ sounds like moral equivalence taking hold in the conservative playbook......and that ain’t good at all. |
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Agricola
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Was support for aggressive conflicts part of our alliance with them? Somehow i dont think it was, they messed with the Russians first and got that they deserved if my facts are straight. I don’t think you have your facts straight then. Just looking at the facts from this year, it’s clear that the Russians have been baiting Georgia. |
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Keith_Indy
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it’s clear that the Russians have been baiting Georgia Yes, but the whole Georgian move toward the West had overtones of bear-baiting.
And the Russians take exception to being mocked by their former wards as their civilization lies on its death bed.
The Georgian president, who is by all appearances a good and courageous guy, perhaps got a little too deep into his own press clippings.
Also, one could not say that Russia has no strategic interest in Georgia. |
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Martin McPhillips
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I don’t think you have your facts straight then. Just looking at the facts from this year, it’s clear that the Russians have been baiting Georgia. yeah its very possible they are not straight, i guess im fuzzy on what exactly SO is, was it a breakaway from Georgia or Russia? |
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josh b
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was it a breakaway from Georgia or Russia? That might depend on whether you’re looking at it from a Georgian or Russian perspective.
I think (I’m guessing) that the problem is the result of the old Soviet policy of resettling non-Russian republics with ethnic Russians. Again guessing, that region (Ossetia) of what is generally thought of by Georgians as part of Georgia was a region heavily re-settled with ethnic Russians. Hence the irritant to Georgians and the interest to Russia, if my guess is correct. |
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Martin McPhillips
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That may all be true Martin, but it seems clear that the Russians have been trying to manufacture this event for some time. If manufacture is to strong, then nudging events towards this.
SO is an autonomous republic of the Republic of Georgia. |
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Keith_Indy
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So Sakozy said back to the original positions in Moscow.
The one thing that shouldn’t be missed in all this is that there have been reports that the Russians hadn’t amassed a force along the border, but merely rolled out from their standard positions down the dusty roads to Georgia. |
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it seems clear that the Russians have been trying to manufacture this event for some time. I don’t disagree with that.
I wasn’t trying to shift blame to the Georgians. The Sicilian mafia would have a hard time dealing with the Russians, from the point of view of reasonableness.
I’m just saying that the Georgians need not have forgotten one elemental rule: Don’t poke your stick into the hornets nest. |
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Martin McPhillips
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The Times came clean on having referred to Senator McCain as a Vietnam-era "fighter pilot" when in fact he was shot down while at the controls of an A-4 Skyhawk - technically an attack aircraft rather than a fighter. They also corrected the list of credits for the April 28, 1960 theater review of ’West Side Story’ |
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On the bright side, all of the Europeans who assume America will come to their aid and thus skimp on their own defenses may now pay more attention. Russia may prefer to be feared than loved, but that has some silver linings for us, too. |
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Just out of curiosity Bruce, what if Putin also seeks "regime change" in The Ukraine or the Baltics? Do you think we should respond militarily to help them if the worst happens? Well that’s the idea we’ve sold them on, although their going to be much less likely to buy into it now, given the situation with Georgia.
But Georgia is in one of those unique geographical places where support is almost impossible to render quickly.
The Ukraine isn’t. Additionally, the Ukraine is a much larger country than Georgia. I’m not sure what the status of their military is but it would have to be a larger military than Georgia.
If I were the US, I’d certainly be offering training and equipment to the Ukraine (and the Baltic states).
To me, what you do to ensure the Russians get the message that Georgia was an exception is to go to work in the other areas shoring up their defenses and training their military. Russia may complain, but really hasn’t a leg to stand on given its actions in Georgia. |
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McQ
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