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Underestimating your opponent (updated)
Posted by: McQ on Sunday, August 17, 2008

Or believing your own spin. It appears that the Obama campaign is absolutely sure that John McCain - who most folks seem to feel pretty much wiped the floor with Barack Obama at last night's Saddleback event - must have cheated in order to do so.

Andrea Mitchell dutifully carries the tale:
MR. GREGORY: Andrea Mitchell, that's a pretty clear contrast.

MS. ANDREA MITCHELL: Oh, absolutely. And, you know, there was the crisp, immediate, forceful response by John McCain, clearly in a comfort zone because he was with his base. And Barack Obama, taking a risk in going there but seeing an opportunity. And a much more nuanced approach. The Obama people must feel that he didn't do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because that — what they're putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.

MR. GREGORY: Right.

MS. MITCHELL: He seemed so well prepared.
First, you have to love the reemergence of "nuance". Barack Obama was too nuanced for you rubes to understand.

Secondly, McCain was just too crisp and "on". Everyone knows McCain is the second coming of George Bush when it comes to public speaking. And since he did well, one must conclude he cheated.

Yup, those "new politics" and "rising above the negative" are sure evident within Barry O's campaign, aren't they?

UPDATE: And now it seems that McCain wasn't in "the cone of silence" during the Obama interview. However the McCain campaign claims he didn't hear the interview:
Senator John McCain was not in a “cone of silence” on Saturday night while his rival, Senator Barack Obama, was being interviewed at the Saddleback Church in California.

Members of the McCain campaign staff, who flew here Sunday from California, said Mr. McCain was in his motorcade on the way to the church as Mr. Obama was being interviewed by the Rev. Rick Warren, the author of the best-selling book “The Purpose Driven Life.”

The matter is of interest because Mr. McCain, who followed Mr. Obama’s hourlong appearance in the forum, was asked virtually the same questions as Mr. Obama. Mr. McCain’s performance was well received, raising speculation among some viewers, especially supporters of Mr. Obama, that he was not as isolated during the Obama interview as Mr. Warren implied.

Nicolle Wallace, a spokeswoman for Mr. McCain, said on Sunday night that Mr. McCain had not heard the broadcast of the event while in his motorcade and heard none of the questions.

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.
I'm not sure why the Obama campaign would want an event in which their candidate didn't do as well as McCain but happened on a Saturday night with the Olympics on (making it something to be quickly forgotten if left alone) dragged into the Monday news cycle. But here it is.

UPDATE II: From CNN:
The pastor spoke to each candidate this week, giving the general themes. Warren decided to tell them each the first two questions in advance, about the three wisest people you know, and the biggest moral failings.
(HT: capt. joe)
 
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I hate nuance. I have never understood what the big deal is about it. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Anything "nuanced" leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation. If that is what you want, fine. It is not what I want.

Rick
 
Written By: Rick Caird
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Get him away from the teleprompter and Sen Lightworker makes W look eloquent.

There’s yer nuance.
 
Written By: shark
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Get him away from the teleprompter and Sen Lightworker makes W look eloquent.
you mean he is a phony lightweight?? Oh the inhumanity!!! How could that be...
 
Written By: capt joe
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You are aware that Rick Warren admitted on CNN today that John McCain was NOT in his "cone of silence." This isn’t just Obama whining. Nor is it Andrea Mitchell spreading rumors.

John McCain was apparently stuck in traffic and missed the first 30 minutes of Obama’s time. Since the debate was broadcast live on the radio in Southern California, it’s pretty obvious that McCain listened to Obama’s portion on the radio or, at the very least, had his advisers funnel him information.

I’m sure a correction post will be coming tomorrow.
 
Written By: Elrod
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What I don’t understand is how could they "flip the coin" if McCain was not there when it all started. I mean, if they indeed flipped the coin, there was a 50% chance that McCain would be late to this event. Is it not extremely arrogant to be half an hour late for your debate?
 
Written By: Nikolay
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"It’s pretty obvious" = fact?

If that’s the standard I’m gonna have a LOT of fun with you pal
 
Written By: shark
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Of course McQ knows that McCain wasn’t listening to the questions ahead of time.

How does he know this? He just does.

And you rubes just don’t understand - McQ knows all!
 
Written By: mkultra
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And not that it matters to McQ - these are facts, after all - but when asked about whether he was in the cone of silence, McCain didn’t bother to mention that he had been in traffic. He said he was trying to "listen through the wall."

Now, if Obama did that, McQ would accuse Obama of being a Black Panther hell-bent on the destruction of America, and not fit for command.

Funny that.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Oh - and not that it matters - but McCain made a promise to be in a "cone of silence" - a promise that he broke.

Again, if Obama had done the same thing, McQ would be going apesh*t about integrity, blah, blah, blah.


 
Written By: mkultra
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It amuses me when the leftards go apoplectic about Fox news, but never a word about the incredible bias of MSNBC.
 
Written By: kyleN
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Yeah, it couldn’t be that McCain is always prepared to answer questions relevant to being the President.

But I guess if Warren trusts both men, that should be good enough for everyone, eh...
Warren told CNN Sunday evening, “we flat out asked him” if he heard any of the questions. The McCain campaign “confirmed that McCain did not hear or see any of the broadcast” in the motorcade or after he arrived, Ross said.

When asked if McCain overheard anything, Charlie Black, a McCain adviser who was with him at the time, told CNN: "We were in motorcade until 5:30 p.m. ET; then a holding room in another building with no TV."

Warren said, “I trust the integrity of both” candidates, and said he “knew they would abide by the rules.” He joked McCain may not have been in the cone of silence, but “he was in the cone of a Secret Service motorcade”.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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Now, if Obama did that, McQ would accuse Obama of being a Black Panther hell-bent on the destruction of America, and not fit for command.
Can someone please go and fill mk’s prescription for anti psychotics at CVS? It’s gone and made a mess all over the comments page.

and
McQ knows all!
Off course he does, he is using special area 51 technologies to beam instructions into your mind! Better get that tinfoil on tight.

God man, do you see what you sound like!? You come off completely unhinged.

 
Written By: capt joe
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I’m sure a correction post will be coming tomorrow.
You mean that McCain is faster on his feet than Obama? But we have all figured that out by now so no correction is necessary
 
Written By: capt joe
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Hey McQ, check out this article from CNN about what Obama and McCain were briefed about before hand.

Ross says the whole event only came about because of the relationship Warren has with both men. He said they all agreed to assure a “level field, “McCain would not hear the questions or Senator Obama’s answers.” The pastor spoke to each candidate this week, giving the general themes. Warren decided to tell them each the first two questions in advance, about the three wisest people you know, and the biggest moral failings.
So they were answering questions that they had time to prepare in advance. So much for that.
 
Written By: capt joe
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CaptJoe - shhhhhhh, you’ll upset the children and one of them is off his meds.
 
Written By: looker
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At least we know what his foreign policy approach will be.

Baaah, Mommy (the UN), that bad russian kid (Putin) cheated!, Waaaah!

I don’t know, maybe it will work.
 
Written By: capt joe
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I don’t know...he may claim that deciding certain things is above his paygrade.

 
Written By: looker
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Per this, Obama actually knew more questuions ahead of time than McCain.
In addition, according to Ross, Obama knew a third specific question that Warren would ask — the one about a "president’s emergency plan for adoption (Orphans)." "[Warren] felt that since that was basically asking for a commitment, he felt that it was fair to tell them in advance that he was going to ask them that," Ross told me. So Warren told Obama, and planned to tell McCain when McCain arrived at Saddleback, but wasn’t able to because of other distractions. So according to what Ross told me, Obama actually knew one more question in advance than did McCain.
 
Written By: Crusader
URL: http://www.coalitionoftheswilling.net
So according to what Ross told me, Obama actually knew one more question in advance than did McCain.
MK?

MK?

MK?

{crickets}
 
Written By: meagain
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