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Red-Blooded Americans at the Republican Convention
Posted by: Bryan Pick on Sunday, August 31, 2008

Mike Allen and Jonathan Martin have an article at Politico about how Gustav is affecting the Republican National Convention. Obviously the schedule looks like it’s going to be affected, and it’s possible that some speakers may not be present, including President Bush (who has more important duties to attend to). But something caught my eye in the article:
Republican officials here are preparing for radical changes to every element of the convention. If the storm is as bad as feared, they will dramatically alter the tone of the speeches, cut way back on the partisan red meat, eliminate the glitzy entertainment and, if they can do so legally, use the gathering for a massive fundraising drive that may even feature a passing of buckets on the convention floor to benefit the Red Cross, according to a top GOP source.
The atmosphere at the GOP Convention should definitely be different than that of the Democrats’. John McCain and Sarah Palin are not rock stars or celebrities. They are not going to out-Obama Barack Obama, and they should not try. They must strike a deep contrast with the Democrats’ glamour and pomp, more appropriate to the Republican candidates’ demeanor and message. In short, they must be serious and they must be real.

If Americans see a bucket being passed for money, that’s all well and good — that kind of generous private giving is what many of us see every Sunday morning, and it’s what we see at the local supermarket in the wake of a disaster. One might question just how deep someone in a nice suit is digging when he puts cash in the bucket, but I don’t want to denigrate that kind of support and I hope they go through with it.

But if I may offer some advice to the “top GOP source,” I think I have a better idea.

For every reason I can imagine, the throng of Republicans of all stripes who have shown up to support their candidates should be encouraged to take one step further when the Red Cross arrives: they should take the opportunity to give blood. That’s right: one great, big blood drive aside the Convention, to benefit the victims of Gustav and (as far as the left-over blood is concerned) anyone else who can use it.

I wonder if our readers and our fellow bloggers would join me in supporting this idea. Anyone who has any contacts in the party or knows who to reach in the Red Cross, I’d like to assess the feasibility of this and I’d appreciate your input.
 
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Go for it. The McCain camp is calling it the Ticket for America, right? This would show, once again, that McCain walks the walk. (Not that I’m biased or anything, as I sit in my home north of Houston, keeping one eye on the hurricane and all. No worries—my flood insurance is paid up, and we’re pretty well stocked with water and whatnot.)
 
Written By: Ryan
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The atmosphere at the GOP Convention should definitely be different than that of the Democrats’. John McCain and Sarah Palin are not rock stars or celebrities.
B.S. McCain is celebrity. He has been on Leno how many times? In how many movies? And how many years has he been on the national stage? He is a celebrity. The definition of celebrity is a "famous person." Another definition is a widely recognized person who commands media attention. McCain and Obama are both celebrities. Of course.

When will you stop lying? What is your problem?

 
Written By: mkultra
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When will you stop lying? What is your problem?
Every post MK, you start sounding more and more like Chris Crocker.
 
Written By: tom scott
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I’m awaiting with baited breath for the Olbermann-wing of the Dems (which is to say, the mainstream) to slam the GOP for this...
 
Written By: shark
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In how many movies?
Well, how many? I searched for John McCain on IMDB and all I see an uncredited cameo in an episode of 24.

 
Written By: shark
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Every post MK, you start sounding more and more like Chris Crocker.
McCain is not a celebrity?

Explain.

You can’t, of course. You are like most wingnuts on this site.
 
Written By: mkultra
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McCain is not a celebrity?
He isn’t a mere celebrity. He’s merely runnning against one. Well, two if you count Nader.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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I’m sorry. That comment was ill-considered.

Nader is not a celebrity, mere or otherwise.

I was momentarily confused between celebrities and addle-pated old men, shuffling and muttering away in the attic.

Pardon.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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mk - McCain is a famous person, yes. He’s run for president before, and he’s appeared in at least one documentary that I know of since then — Fog of War, was it? But I’m an LA native and resident, and when I hear or use the word celebrity, I’m thinking what Linda Morgan’s talking about: merely famous. Glamorous. A face.

When will I stop lying? Shortly before I begin. It’s intriguing that, rather than thinking me mistaken and pointing out my error, you immediately jumped to calling me a liar. Have I given you any reason to believe that I am trying to deliberately mislead people? If you’re that confident that I’m a liar, it should be easy to provide evidence of such.
I look forward to you responding to me in good faith, so we can have a civil conversation. If you’re not interested, I don’t know why you stop by.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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I’m glad they are using a modest set. It highlights the contrast between the real thing (McCain) and the paper statesman that is Barack Obama.

McCain doesn’t need theatrics or distractions. He doesn’t need to impress anybody by stagecraft or fancy speeches. He’s spent a lifetime fighting for his country, five years in a prison camp, decades as a maverick in Congress holding the banner of reform.

His life story will contrast sharply with that of the man who came out of the Chicago machine, the South Side politician who eats with Bill Ayers and probably other terrorists we don’t even know about, who attends church where the preacher says "God damn America!" and everybody jumps to their feet in wild adulation.

Obama promises "change" but what kind of change? Change for the worse. With the selection of Sarah Palin, McCain has once and for all solidified his claim on the mantle of Reform. For Obama the game is over, and his dream will fade.

If he’s lucky his State will not judge him so harshly for how he’s treated them during his time as a US senator. Elected to represent the people of Illinois, he instead thought it was more important to write another volume of autobiography and run for president.

In two years the people of Illinois will have their say and perhaps it will be "Change."
 
Written By: peoria
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Every post MK, you start sounding more and more like Chris Crocker.

McCain is not a celebrity?
This was my original quote of MK.
When will you stop lying? What is your problem?
That sentence had nothing to do with McCain’s supposed celebrity. I was commenting on your whine and how it sounded like Chris Crocker. This time I’ll link Chris Crocker and you see if "When will you stop lying? What is your problem?" sounds like this.
 
Written By: tom scott
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I’m telling you, MK will not survive this election cycle. he/she/it is going to spontaneously combust one of these days.
 
Written By: meagain
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mk - McCain is a famous person, yes. He’s run for president before, and he’s appeared in at least one documentary that I know of since then — Fog of War, was it? But I’m an LA native and resident, and when I hear or use the word celebrity, I’m thinking what Linda Morgan’s talking about: merely famous. Glamorous. A face.

When will I stop lying? Shortly before I begin. It’s intriguing that, rather than thinking me mistaken and pointing out my error, you immediately jumped to calling me a liar. Have I given you any reason to believe that I am trying to deliberately mislead people? If you’re that confident that I’m a liar, it should be easy to provide evidence of such.
I look forward to you responding to me in good faith, so we can have a civil conversation. If you’re not interested, I don’t know why you stop by.
Good faith? Who are you kidding?

I stop by here to do my little part in the war against the BS that emanates from the right wing. I don’t think you were mistaken or made an error. The notion that Obama is a celebrity and that McCain is not is not some kind of mistake or error. It is pure right-wing propaganda that is designed to mislead and misinform. Indeed, it is intended precisely to do that very thing.

Any suggestion that you made some kind of mistake is belied by the fact that this notion has been making the rounds in wingnut circles for months.

McCain has been on Leno 13 times. He appeared in Wedding Crashers - a mainstream movie that grossed over $200 million. He is as well known to Americans as Obama is, and even more so.

And you know that. You know that you know that. And that’s what makes you a liar.

Why don’t you do this: Explain why McCain is less well known than Obama. Explain why he is less of a celebrity.

I’ll bet you 5 bucks you can’t do it. Why? Because McCain is not less known than Obama. He is not less of a celebrity.

So yes, you are a liar. Sorry.

 
Written By: mkultra
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MK is starting to make Keith Olbermann look normal. MK, how about a good definition of ’lying’ that is applicable across the board. That is, one that doesn’t require a lie to be anything you disagree with or don’t like?

Or, alternatively, look up celebrity in a good dictionary and tell us why your definition is better and/or should be preferred.

I don’t care how many bit parts or ’appearances’ one gets in a $200 million dollar movie, that doesn’t make one, in and of itself, a celebrity.

And, Bryan, basically this form of attack has always been common from those of the fringes of both the Right and the Left. Each side believes that there is no principled disagreement with their positions. The Left, however, takes it further (and has since Stalinism instituted ’political correctness’) and disputes not only your disagreement but the very (commonly accepted) meaning of the words you use. There is no evidence, or facts, or definitions or anything else that you can use to shield yourself from these loons, nor is there any way to ’win’ an argument against them, because they will brook no deviation from their Truth.

I’d rather debate religion with a Seventh Day Adventist than waste my time on the likes of MK, since her/his only goal in life is to excoriate anyone who doesn’t accept her/his particular insane view of reality as Truth.
 
Written By: jorgxmckie
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No kidding, jorg. Yikes. But I don’t think I can help myself.
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mkultra - I already told you what I think when I hear or say "celebrity." It’s not uncommon to use the word the way I did. Go ahead and throw Merriam-Webster at me all you want; when I hear the word "celebrity" I don’t think about long-time Senators. I think about glamor and glitz. I think about Paris Hilton and Brad Pitt and Bono and tabloids. And that’s the way I used the word in my post, right there alongside "rock star".

I’m being as straightforward about that as anyone could be. And nobody here but you seems to have taken my words any way other than as they were intended. I didn’t deceive them, and I didn’t intend to, and the only person here who isn’t aware of that fact is you.

So your premise is wrong, because I didn’t say McCain wasn’t a widely recognized person. That would be stupid. And it wouldn’t fool anyone.

As an aside, I didn’t remember McCain being in Wedding Crashers (I’ll take your word for it), and I certainly haven’t counted the times he’s appeared on Leno.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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Obama is almost a meta-celebrity, as he has actual celebrities go weak at the knees for him, i.e. Clooney, Scarlett, etc.
 
Written By: Harun
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Every post MK, you start sounding more and more like Chris Crocker.


And all this time I thought he sounded like Pee Wee Herman.
 
Written By: kyleN
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Bryan, mk is a lawyer, and believes it is perfectly acceptable to seize on some minor technical point and claim victory. He is not and never has been interested in a discussion based on wider concepts.

You can see that kind of rhetorical manipulation on display in this thread, in which mk attempts to manipulate the definition of "racism" to suit his own pet ideology, and is completely resistant to anyone pointing out the problems of his pet definition.

So trying to get to the core idea that Obama’s degree or type of celebrityhood is different John McCain’s is doomed to failure with mk. If it suits his ideological position to posit that all types of celebrity are effectively equal, then that’s what he will do, and then think he’s scored some kind of great victory over the "wingnuts".
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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If a bit part in Wedding crashers = celebrity, then I must be a MEGA celebrity because one time at the ballpark, I got interviewed and it was on the jumbotron and TENS OF THOUSANDS of people watched me!

WORSHIP ME MK
 
Written By: shark
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may even feature a passing of buckets on the convention floor to benefit the Red Cross

I know people are all enthusiastic and hard core at these conventions, but I don’t think the Red Cross will accept blood donated in buckets.
 
Written By: Ben
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I already told you what I think when I hear or say "celebrity." It’s not uncommon to use the word the way I did. Go ahead and throw Merriam-Webster at me all you want; when I hear the word "celebrity"
Now I get it - words don’t mean what they mean, they mean what you want them to mean.

So now you are accusing me of using the dictionary as a weapon?

How freaking typical.

You are wingnuttia personified.

And the funny part is that when someone tries to argue on this site that words should be given their common, objective, dictionary meaning, I hear this:
Bryan, mk is a lawyer, and believes it is perfectly acceptable to seize on some minor technical point and claim victory. He is not and never has been interested in a discussion based on wider concepts.
You see, words have no meaning on this site. It is all about "wider concepts."

Tell you what, Bryan. Why don’t you tell me which dictionary is accepatable.

You are a classic wingnut, Bryan. You won’t even agree on the meaning of words.
 
Written By: mkultra
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mkultra -

You’ve illustrated Billy Hollis’s point finely. I don’t care which dictionary you use — any one will do, and none can be used effectively as a weapon, which is why I invited you to use (for example) Merriam-Webster all you want. I know the dictionary definition of "celebrity." Everyone (except you?) understood exactly what I was trying to say. There’s no indication anywhere that anyone but you took my words to mean anything other than what I intended, and I twice offered you my good-faith clarification. And yet you haven’t responded to that, and since you also can’t bring yourself to answer to my central argument, I’ve stopped caring whether you agree with me. If you’re intending this as a little war against the Right, I’m perfectly content to let you keep posting here, because you only make your side look ridiculous. If the best you have is that my in-context use of "celebrity" is technically incorrect, you’re fresh out of substantial arguments.

In my post and in these comments, I have made no effort to hide my meaning. I have no fear that any reasonable person will consider me dishonest for what I have written here. So post away, mk.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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It is all about "wider concepts."
When you mention wider concepts he thinks of his wife’s or boyfriends ass.
 
Written By: capt joe
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