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Obama Supports the Surge
Posted by: Dale Franks on Thursday, September 04, 2008

Barack Obama, speaking with Bill O'Reilly on FOXNews, admits the surge in Iraq is working.
The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined, Barack Obama conceded Thursday in his first-ever interview on FOX News’ "The O'Reilly Factor."

As recently as July, the Democratic presidential candidate declined to rate the surge a success, but said it had helped reduce violence in the country. On Thursday, Obama acknowledged the 2007 increase in U.S. troops has benefited the Iraqi people.

"I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated," Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge. "I've already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."
According to Sen. Obama, nobody anticipated that the surge would work. Not General Petraeus who crafted the strategy. No John McCain who urged it be adopted. Not President Bush, who gave the orders for the surge to be implemented. Apparently, it was implemented with no real expectation—or even hope—of success. They implemented it for reasons that, even now, defy any rational explanation.

So, clearly, no one should be able to take credit for it. And, of course, by logical extension, opposition to the surge wasn't wrong.

The success of the surge was purely an unforeseeable historical accident, for which no one can take blame or credit, no matter which position they took on it. So, it's really pointless to talk about it, and get into the tedious details of who said what about the surge at some point in the past. It's just not helpful to relive that history.

That's a...novel interpretation.
 
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Dear Team McCain:

Please incorporate that quote into McCain’s speech tonight, so that Obama may be finished off once and for all
 
Written By: shark
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I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."
Because, if I’m not mistaken, their wildest dreams were of... (cue Joe!) "quagmire! death! failure!" Or something like that...
 
Written By: meagain
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Actually, the wildest dreams were of impeaching Bush for "war crimes" and throwing Rove in jail for anything.

 
Written By: shark
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Just saw the Cindy McCain video. For Pete’s sake ... she’s more qualified to be president that Obama.
 
Written By: Ronnie Gipper
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The surge wasn’t more successful than anyone could imagine, but it was more successful than he imagined. Maybe we should elect a President who’s got a better imagination?


The surge working...just another one of those failed policies.
 
Written By: Steverino
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Just saw the Cindy McCain video. For Pete’s sake ... she’s more qualified to be president that Obama.


Yeah, first pill-popping President!
 
Written By: Rich
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No, Rich, that would have been JFK.
 
Written By: Steverino
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"That’s a...novel interpretation."

And stupid. Don’t forget stupid.

The surge worked. ’Nuff said.
 
Written By: SpideyTerry
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It’s just not helpful to relive that history.
And it does nothing to put fresh fruit on Michelle Obama’s table...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Written By: Ott Scerb
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... but ... but didn’t we lose Basra ?

Now Obama says it’s OK, so I guess not.
 
Written By: Neo
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He repeated his campaign’s foreign policy position that Afghanistan must become the “central front” in the War on Terror.
Frankly, Afghanistan offers a real opportunity for a President Obama to fully realize the pain of a quagmire. Iraq was a "neutral court" of sorts, while Afghanistan is playing on the Taliban/al Qaeda’s "home court" .. they have a much better advantage.

Frankly, I believe this is why Bush wanted to go into Iraq.
 
Written By: Neo
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Professor, are you okay? Why didn’t you show up for class today?
 
Written By: Student of Ott Scerb
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The Annointed One’s claim that "the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated" [emphasis mine] reminds me of SanFran Nan’s claim that nobody in the Catholic Church knows when life begins: both are claiming that everybody else is as wrong as they are to cover for the fact that they are... well... wrong.

The Annointed One, after admitting that the Surge "succeeded beyond our wildest dreams", went on to claim, paradoxically, that it DIDN’T work:
However, he added, the country has not had enough “political reconciliation” and Iraqis still have not taken responsibility for their country.
As I understand it, the surge was intended to give the Iraqis time and "breathing room" to achieve political reconciliation and develop their power enough to take responsibility for their country. Now, isn’t it contradictory to claim on the one hand that the surge "succeeded beyond our wildest dreams" yet hasn’t met any of its goals?

The Annointed One also said:
We have gone through five years of mismanagement of this war that I thought was disastrous, and the president wanted to double down and continue an open-ended policy (that did not put pressure on the Iraqi government).
If the surge "succeeded beyond our wildest dreams", how can he claim that the war has been mismanaged? And why would he criticize the policy of "doubling down" - i.e. instituting the surge - when it has succeeded? I’d also like to know what "pressure" we ought to put on the Iraqi government. I realize he may have missed the news that Anbar Province was handed over to the Iraqis while he was at the gym, but the fact of the matter is that the Iraqis are and have been taking responsibility for their own country. In fact, they’ve started talking openly about when we can and should get our troops out of Iraq. They seem to feel pretty confident about their own abilities now. What should we do? Pressure them to demand that we leave faster?

The Annointed One is in a corner and there’s no way out. It’s a matter of dogma among his loopy followers that the war has been a disastrous, mismanaged failure, and that our only option is to get out of Iraq ASAP. The whole slander that the Iraqis aren’t "standing up" and aren’t "taking responsibility" is just a contrived excuse to retreat and leave them to their fate (as the last generation of democrats did the South Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians). He can’t admit that the surge worked, that Iraqis ARE taking responsibility, and that the war is going well, because THAT would be akin to saying that the eeeevil and stupid George Bush actually did something right. His base won’t stand for it. So, like medieval churchmen who persisted in claiming that that the sun went ’round the earth even when shown overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Obama has to continue the fiction that the war has gone badly and that he’s GOT to get us out NOW.

If the situtation in Iraq continues to improve, he’ll soon be reduced to covering his ears and singing "Mary Had a Little Lamb" at the top of his voice to avoid having to acknowledge the truth.

As a final note, it would be interesting if somebody would ask GEN Petraeus if HE thought the surge would succeed.
 
Written By: docjim505
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As a final note, it would be interesting if somebody would ask GEN Petraeus if HE thought the surge would succeed.
Well course he didn’t! He’s a military guy! He has no executive experience!

These military men don’t really have plans you know, it’s all random shoving men and equipment around and sort of hoping when you shove your stuff around the other guy won’t be as good in shoving his stuff around, and your shoved around stuff will manage to do something that everyone sort of agrees looks like a victory kind of thingie. And when it does, well, sometimes it’s beyond your wildest dreams!
Obama, understanding HOPE as well as he does, understands that there is a significant amount of HOPE involved.

For example, Eisenhower, on the evening of June 6th, 1944 in a meeting the Field Marshall Montgomery said -
"Gosh, I hope all that stuff we’ve randomly shoved ashore in France does something really swell don’t you Monty?"

While at the same time in Germany Hitler was ranting at Rommel because his random shoving of Panzer divisions didn’t seem to be having any positive effect with regard to chasing all the stuff the Allies shoved ashore back into the ocean. And he HOPED that the next thing Rommel randomly did might have a better effect on stuff. And he had to contend with the fact the the Russians were getting increasingly better at randomly doing things that seemed to work really well, whereas that had pretty much been the sole domain of the Germans up until 1942. I mean, that randomly doing stuff that really lead to thingies that looked a lot like success.

The only sort of planning on things to work is done by Obama’s campaign, which, I might add, he has gained vast executive experience managing.

Get real though, all this other stuff, this planning and reacting to your opponents obviously random moves is really just pure luck!
 
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