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Jesus was a community organizer; Pilate was a governor
Posted by: McQ on Friday, September 05, 2008

You know it is funny to watch the ebb and flow of accusations in a political campaign.

For instance Obama's campaign is presently offended that Palin and Giuliani ridiculed Obama's job as a community organizer.

Of course for the Obama campaign, history began with Rudy Giuliani's speech, followed by that of Sarah Palin.

Somehow they've conveniently forgoten this little press release immediately following the Palin announcement:
"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies - that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same," said Bill Burton, Obama campaign spokesman.
In fact, all Palin and Giuliani did was react to the ridicule from Obama's campaign (and other Dems) of Palin's experience by highlighting Obama's lack of experience - beginning with a job no one seems to be able to define, to include Obama.

Today, someone named Julio Medina of New York took a swipe at defining it:
"We're talking about being in touch with the homeless, being in touch with the under-educated, being in touch with the unemployed," said Medina. "A community organizer is that presence for hope when hope doesn't exist."
And?

And just more hopey-changitude.

The popular meme to explain the difference between Obama and Palin which is now emerging on the left is "Jesus was a community organizer, Pilate was a governor".

You can have a lot of fun with that, can't you?

For instance, a mafia don is a community organizer and so was Lenin. And, of course, so was Godwin's favorite person. In fact, if you think about it, both al Qaeda and the Taliban are community organizers of sorts, aren't they?

What you're going to see in the coming weeks is the Dems dropping any mention of Palin's lack of experience, because each time they bring it up, the shrapnel heads in Obama's direction. Joe Biden was the first to realize this when he said she was qualified to be President. Think what you may of him, but he has the political instinct to know a loser of an issue when he sees one. I'm still not sure Obama or his campaign has yet figured that out, but they will.

Contrary to claims by those who think naming Palin took the experience question off the table, I think she helps backlight Obama's inexperience to the advantage of the Reps. And each time the Dems bring it up, the Reps counter with a comparison of the bottom of their ticket with top of the Dems. They then drive home the fact that unlike their VP choice, they're not talking about a "heartbeat away" when they talk about Obama.

The purpose of political campaigns is two-fold - to sell your candidate to the public and to create doubt about your opponent at the same time. Palin's inclusion on the Republican ticket provides just such an opportunity, and to date, the Republicans have been taking good advantage of it.
 
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And so once again, Obama sets himself up as the Messiah.
Gee, what a shock.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
For anyone to make even a faint, tangential association between Obama and Jesus is sheer lunacy on multiple levels. And can you imagine how the religophobic left would react if a Republican compared a GOP candidate to Jesus? Off the charts moonbattery times infinity.

 
Written By: Grimshaw
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Comon guys, how can you begin to compare the great Obama to a mere fisherman?
Contrary to claims by those who think naming Palin took the experience question off the table, I think she helps backlight Obama’s inexperience to the advantage of the Reps.


I’ve been saying this all along. She is almost perfect for this task: they have similar amounts of political experience, except her experience is executive experience with real accomplishments. His is legislative experience where they talk a lot and vote "yeah", "neh" or "present" on whatever crap they concocted.

Even Biden doesn’t have real foreign policy experience. Just lots of talking about policy. Palin doesn’t have much, but it involved real negotiations with foreign nations.

 
Written By: Don
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Jesus was a community organizer, Pilate was a governor.

Quite aside from the fact that referring to Jesus as "a community organizer" seems to be edging rather close to blasphemy and probably won’t play well among... well... devout Christians all across the country*, it leads to several rather obvious questions:

1. Do you consider, then, ANYBODY in government to be akin to Pilate?

2. If ’Jesus was a community organizer while Pilate was a governor’, why on earth would ANY person of faith want to be in government?

3. Wouldn’t you say that Obama is essentially running for Pilate’s job?

4. Are democrat governors like Sibelius or Easley or Paterson also akin to Pilate? What about Bill Clinton?

5. Are you trying to imply that Obama is like Jesus because they were both "community organizers"?

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(*) cf. Howard Dean’s remark that Jesus was a "great moral teacher".
 
Written By: docjim505
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Oh pleasepleaseplease let the Dem’s keep on with the Obama=Messiah bit. The pictures and talk are funny and creepy at the same time. They do more to make him look the fool than anything the Republicans can do or say about him.

I especially like the ones with the halo effect...
 
Written By: Warrior Needs Food Badly
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Don Corleone was a “community organizer” .. Elliot "Client #9" Spitzer was a governor
 
Written By: Neo
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There is a lot to work with in the Obama, Jesus, community organizer, and Governor theme.

Exegesis of the New Testament Koine Greek, however, does require a couple of inconsequential alterations to interpretation.

The Sanhedrin prove to be the Jewish community organizers that bore their grievances before a Governor who had been appointed because he was a suck-up to the tyrannical Roman overseers. To obtain the release of Barabbas, another community organizer convicted of treason and murder, they protested with boisterous chants of ’Jesus preached the Kingdom, and some people believed ’im.’ ’If you don’t kill him, your hopes with Caesar become dim.’ Pilate acquiesced and crucified the innocent.

That still works in Kos Obama’s favor, doesn’t it?
 
Written By: Steve Burri
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Man, Kos is keeping busy with his Townhall commissars, isn’t he?
 
Written By: HOG
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Treacher lays it all out:
Just to be clear, I am directly accusing Markos Moulitsas of astroturfing for the Obama campaign

As discussed here. And if you don’t know what astroturfing is, it’s defined here.

I figure it goes something like this:

* Kos posts the initial meme — in this case, "Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor" — attributing it to "a reader."

* The astroturfing team blasts that meme across dozens (hundreds?) of blogs, like so, in an attempt to make it look like a spontaneous response to Kos’s post.

* Morons fall for it.

Or at least that’s how I’d do it if I were an underhanded sociopath who looked like something that wriggled out of Peter Lorre’s ass. (No offense, Mr. Moulitsas.)

In this post-Palin world, that’s the way this stuff is done. The accusation is made, and then it’s confirmed or refuted. The onus is on him to prove me wrong. This is called, in his words, "citizen journalism."

Now I’m just going to sit back and see how it shakes out.
 
Written By: HOG
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I beleive the proper rejoined is: No you started it, infinity! Plus one.
 
Written By: Retief
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oops. rejoinder
 
Written By: Retief
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That still works in Kos Obama’s favor, doesn’t it?
Sure, it’s not a problem because see, Jesus, like Obama, was a Democrat.
Well, he WOULD have voted Democrat if he’d had the chance, and that’s the same as being a Democrat.

And since he was a Democrat, he was a good community organizer.

This is exactly the same as Hillary Clinton is a woman, and a mother, and can have a political career and be a good President, because she is a Democrat.

Sarah Palin is a women, and a mother, who should NOT have a political career, should not be VP and it’s because not only is she not a Democrat, she’s a Republican!

By their very nature Republicans cannot be good at a wide spectrum of things, and their un-goodness actually exists to such an extent that they have this dark power to prevert that particular thing in all ways.

So, we have examples of community organizers who CLEARLY would have been Republicans if they’d had the chance, like, Lenin or members of the Mafia, or members of the Taliban, or members of Al Queda.

Now, conversely, in the example, Jesus verse Pilate, the position we’re discussing, ’governor’ is considered to be bad, because, it’s Pilate, who’s a Republican (same rule applies, he’d have voted Republican if he’d had the chance you see).

However, a Democrat has the power to take a ’bad thing’ and turn it into a ’good thing’ if THEY stand in that office. So, Jimmy Carter was a ’good’ governor and would never be construed to be ’bad’. Governor Kathleen Babino-Blanco was a ’good’ governor in Louisiana who had to work against a ’bad’ President.

You may observe, as you read or write, you will find it easier to replace the words ’good’ with Democrat, and ’bad’ with Republican. This tends to shorten the sentences and makes your points more clear for the audience.

For example, Hitler was our enemy in world War Two and he was Republican.
Stalin, was our ally, and for the duration of the war he was Democrat. He was very much like Ronald Reagan.
However when the war ended he lost his way and he became Republican, again, very much like Ronald Reagan.

Another example, Joe Lieberman was once a Democrat, but he’s beginning to lose his way and is tending to show signs of becoming Republican.

Just remember the formula, anything that is ’good’ means Democrat, anything that is ’bad’ means Republican.
All pretty elementary actually.
 
Written By: looker
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Don Corleone was a “community organizer” .. Elliot "Client #9" Spitzer was a governor
Can anyone explain to me the difference between the role Obama claims he played in his ‘community organizer’ days, and the role of “community organizer” Al Sharpton, and “community organizer” Jesse Jackson?
 
Written By: Bithead
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Bit, it’s really a fundamental discussion about good and bad, or if you prefer, and I know we all should, good and EVIL.

Otherwise known as Democrat and Republican.
 
Written By: looker
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So, Bill Clinton was a Governor prior to being President. You loved him, right?

Jimmy Carter was a Governor prior to being President. You loved him to death, right?

George W. Bush, well I have an idea that some of you still like him, but whatever..........

Bob Dole was not a Governor, so I sure hope none of you voted for him. Especially when he ran against someone who had not only been a Governor, but was the actual President of the United States, with experience as Commander in Chief and everything.

The fact is that there is no "experience model" that predicts whether or not someone will be a good president. It’s a crummy argument on both sides.
 
Written By: Whammer
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The fact is that there is no "experience model" that predicts whether or not someone will be a good president.
No one it is claiming that it is the be all and end all of qualification for president. But it is a major indicator of how effective they’ll be, wouldn’t you think?

Then you look at character, judgment, leadership, accountability, etc.

The problem is it’s very hard to look at those sorts of things if the person you’re assessing has no experience.
 
Written By: McQ
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So, Bill Clinton was a Governor prior to being President. You loved him, right?
In ’92, Clinton in fact had the right experience for the job. I voted for some Libertarian, who was probably lacking in appropriate experience.

I never liked Clinton, but I’d never argue that he lacked for experience.
Jimmy Carter was a Governor prior to being President. You loved him to death, right?
I actually hate Carter. But in ’76, as I recall (I turned 14 that year), he was pushed as a moderate Democrat with real executive experience, and it isn’t hard to understand why swing voters put him in office (and why they put him out in ’80).
George W. Bush, well I have an idea that some of you still like him, but whatever..........
I actually do like Bush. And he also had solid experience, which is part of the reason he was elected. Kerry had no executive experience, and Edwards almost no experience at all.
Bob Dole was not a Governor, so I sure hope none of you voted for him. Especially when he ran against someone who had not only been a Governor, but was the actual President of the United States, with experience as Commander in Chief and everything.
I like Bob (he wrote the firearms owners protection act that Reagan signed), but voted Libertarian that time around. Bob simply lacked the experience required, as well as other shortcomings. He was a poor choice.
The fact is that there is no "experience model" that predicts whether or not someone will be a good president. It’s a crummy argument on both sides.
Not at all. It’s a part of the equation. The American people take it seriously enough to mostly elect either governors or VP, and skip the Senate types.

You opinion suggest that in fact, you are effectively dumber than the average American voter.
 
Written By: Don
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Actually, Don, McQ was spot on. There have been inexperienced, good presidents (Lincoln, Truman); inexperienced, bad presidents (Harding, Pierce); experienced, good presidents (Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt); and experienced, bad presidents (Buchanan, Carter). Or wait, a quick search on google and, yes, here you go. In fact, it turns out that experience is not a predictor of greatness as a president. That suggests that it is character and/or judgement that is the primary determinant of success. And actually, taking a look at those rankings again, both of those tend to correlate highly with ranking.

 
Written By: Jeff Medcalf
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Jesus was a "community organizer" to about the same degree George S. Patton was a tour guide leading some guys (AKA, the Third Army) on a field trip across Europe.
 
Written By: Strick
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"We’re talking about being in touch with the homeless...."

Sounds mighty like a social worker to me, except that social workers need some sort of training or education, I think.

"Jesus was a community organizer"

Actually I think he was more of a motivational speaker, and then there is that deity thing.
 
Written By: timactual
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Jeff,

I don’t quite agree. In the case of Buchanan you are taling legilative experience, which frankly doesn’t much count.

Experience is one part of the equation. Character and personality is a second part, ideology/platform a third.

 
Written By: Don
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... He [Obama] told Kellman that he feared community organizing would never allow him "to make major changes in poverty or discrimination." To do that, he said, "you either had to be an elected official or be influential with elected officials." In other words, Obama believed that his chosen profession was getting him nowhere, or at least not far enough. Personally, he might end up like his father; politically, he would fail to improve the lot of those he was trying to help.

And so, Obama told Kellman, he had decided to leave community organizing and go to law school. Kellman, who was already thinking of leaving organizing himself, found no reason to argue with him. "Organizing," Kellman tells me, as we sit in a Chicago restaurant down the street from the Catholic church where he now works as a lay minister, "is always a lost cause." Obama, circa late 1987, might or might not have put it quite that strongly. But he had clearly developed serious doubts about the career he was pursuing.
 
Written By: Neo
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But he had clearly developed serious doubts about the career he was pursuing.
Most of us don’t need to get involved to have such doubts.

One thing that the left never seems to grasp: the major value is really provided by free markets . Even the best charity and humanitarian work takes a back seat to those who work to turn a profit.

And community organizers who are really just leftist agitators are a form of charity that provides a negative value.
 
Written By: Don
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Jesus was a community organizer, Pilate was a governor. The irony of this phrase is that in her mocking of community organizers the Christian social conservative Governor Palin was in essence mocking perhaps the greatest communtiy organizer in history. The reference to Jesus is invoked because of the Governor’s faith and not because of some connection to the Democratic candidate. As the greatest communtiy organizer had said to Pilate, "bear witness unto the truth". Maybe, like Governor Palin, you just don’t get it. Perhaps, it is too nuanced.
 
Written By: Mike
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And Mike, perhaps you’re so "nuanced" you don’t get it.

"King of Kings" outranks mere "Governor" every day of the week. There’s your disconnect. Those of you who hold in contempt those who "bitterly cling to religion" forget that we don’t regard him as a mere man.

Once again, you ’tards are so clever you outsmart yourselves.
 
Written By: The Gonzman
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Where is the passion without being a man. Jesus’sacrifice for the human race can only be fully consumated by experiencing what we experience and will experience. His death on the cross completes that experience. The only true way to redeem the sins of man was live and die as a man. As Jesus said, "that which is born of the flesh is flesh." What greater community has been organized than the one Jesus founded as a man while on Earth?
 
Written By: Mike
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And which "Community" was that?

Salvation is personal, sir. Not collective. "In the world, but not of it." He didn’t preach a theocracy state. He didn’t urge his followers to render to Caesar, then turn to them. Take care of each other. On a personal - not political - level

Show me, please, by chapter and verse, where Jesus urged his followers to turn to the institutions of man for anything.
 
Written By: The Gonzman
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The community of the word! What does that community have to do with institutions, states or politics? Those are your words, not mine. The community Jesus founded is a fellowship. Our salvation in some measure depends upon our practice of fellowship with others. In this sense our salvation is not personal.

I believe that when responding to others you should not put a quote into your response with no acknowledgement as to who said it. In your first reponse your quote leads the reader to believe that I said it. Which is clearly, not true.
 
Written By: Mike
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Mike;

There’s a rather thick line, drawn between charity and government. Confiscation, is not charity, and it is certainly not the act of an individual. Charity is the realm of God, and the individual….not of government…. Whereas when Democrats speak of a “charitable society” and “our responsibility to reach out and help others” they’re talking about GOVERNMENT taking that role.

We are, I think under a scripturally ordained responsibility to help our fellow man..… we as individuals….not the government.

What did you think Christ was talking about when he said "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s….. and unto God that which is God’s"?

He’s drawing a thick bright line between government and the individual and their respective responsibilities.



 
Written By: Bithead
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The only true way to redeem the sins of man was live and die as a man.
You have no idea what you’re spouting off about. Think back to what God asked of Abraham to find out why Jesus died for our sins.
There’s a rather thick line, drawn between charity and government. Confiscation, is not charity, and it is certainly not the act of an individual. Charity is the realm of God, and the individual….not of government…. Whereas when Democrats speak of a “charitable society” and “our responsibility to reach out and help others” they’re talking about GOVERNMENT taking that role.
Shorter Bithead: God gave us free will; It’s not government’s job to see we use it as He saw best.

That’s a sentiment with which I completely agree. There is no such thing as charity performed under coercion.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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The community of the word!
No sir. The Kingdom of God.
 
Written By: The Gonzman
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All who have responded to my comments are off base in some regards. Perhaps, I am too nuanced. I have said nothing of government,institutions, states, coercion or Democratic policies. You are adding to your responses assumptions that you have made about my responses. These assumptions reflect upon your beliefs only and have nothing to do with my comments. I believe the phrase community organizer reveals this point. In its original context it refers to Jesus and his work as a community organizer. Therefore, in its original context the irony becomes evident because the manner in which it was said and who said it. In regards to my original comment the point you should be taking with me is the meaning of the phrase community organizer. That phrase, when used in the context of Jesus’ intentions on Earth had absolutely nothing to do with government or politics. It is you who have introduced this aspect into the conversation. It is you wno have linked Jesus’ views with political views, not I.
 
Written By: Mike
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Your completely missing the point. A community organizer is a single person who steps up and helps people for the sake of helping them. And Christ fits that bill, it cannot be denied.

The Taliban is a group of people who want to make others convert to their ideologies, and use power, like government control to push their beliefs. they dont help anybody.

Dons are businessmen, community organisers struggle with their bills. That is an insulting comparison.

Obama accepts all of America, and envisions, and will deliver, a better America for everybody, not just the people who will vote for him.

The Republicans only care about the parts of America that vote Republican. They align themselves with extremists who want to see that baseless theology and Science be taught in the same book all over the country, contributing to the poor performance of our children compared to the children of China and Europe. Community organizers advocate for children who were left behind by No Child Left Behind and encourage them to go to achieve and attend University.

Community organizers think out of the box, and work all day to achieve their goals. They are shining examples of Americans, and can be found in Churches , big cities, and small towns all through America.

Does this woman seem to care about ALL of America? Maybe if it was a fascist regime.

I find Obama’s record as a Community organizer to be much more palatable to the white house than Palin’s records.
 
Written By: Ronnie
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Your completely missing the point. A community organizer is a single person who steps up and helps people for the sake of helping them. And Christ fits that bill, it cannot be denied.

The Taliban is a group of people who want to make others convert to their ideologies, and use power, like government control to push their beliefs. they dont help anybody.
Given your first definition, Ronnie, a "community organizer" is a plain, old vanilla activist.

Just like the ones who "stepped up" and helped white people try to keep black people out of their neighborhood.

Yours is the romantic telling of the story. Mullah Omar of the Taliban began his movement precisely the way you describe community organizing in your definition. It happened in one village in Afghanistan where he agitated the people into rising against their "oppressors".

With that success, he obviously felt he had the experience and support to go national as well. And he did.

The rest, as they say, is one bloody bit of history, isn’t it?

Of course I’m not claiming that is what will happen if Obama is elected. I simply offer it as the "reality based" version of your fantasy.
 
Written By: McQ
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Ronnie - Obama accepts all of America, and envisions, and will deliver, a better America for everybody, not just the people who will vote for him.

Really? Even fascists like Sarah Palin and all us other fascists in America who plan to vote for her? Just how will he make America better for all us fascists? Oh, here’s a suggestion! The Annointed One can use his awesome organizing powers to get his followers to come together and accept that not everybody they oppose is a fascist.

Incidentally, how do you juxtapose your claim that The Annointed One WILL deliver "a better America for everybody" with his own admission that he is limited in his plans by the fact that he may not always have the votes in Congress that he needs?* I realize that many of The Annointed One’s supporters really think of him as a superman, but there is those little things called "Congress" and "seperation of powers" that might get in his way.

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(*) http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=9247
 
Written By: docjim505
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Mike - Jesus was a community organizer, Pilate was a governor. The irony of this phrase is that in her mocking of community organizers the Christian social conservative Governor Palin was in essence mocking perhaps the greatest communtiy organizer in history. The reference to Jesus is invoked because of the Governor’s faith and not because of some connection to the Democratic candidate. As the greatest communtiy organizer had said to Pilate, "bear witness unto the truth". Maybe, like Governor Palin, you just don’t get it. Perhaps, it is too nuanced.

I see. Let me see if I can follow the syllogism:

1. Sarah Palin mocks The Annointed One’s claims about his sterling record as a community organizer, a term which has a rather a nebulous definition.

2. The left floats the meme that Jesus was a community organizer while Pilate was a governor. They immediately face criticism from, among others, people who feel rather offended to hear their Lord and Savior - the Son of the Living God - described as a mere "community organizer".

3. But they don’t mean to conflate Sarah Palin - GOVERNOR Palin - with Pontius Pilate! Oh, no! What they REALLY mean is that, by mocking The Annointed One, she was mocking ALL community organizers and, by extension, Jesus Christ.

4. Hence, Sarah Palin is not really a good Christian.

Got it.
 
Written By: docjim505
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Governor Palin should have realized, as you do, that community organizer is a nebulous term. Therefore, her mocking of it reaches far beyond the Democratic candidate. I know of no other in history who has been as successful in planting the seed to organize a community than Jesus was while on Earth. I don’t believe that Jesus would take exception to his work on Earth in some sense being described as organizing a community. As Jesus said, "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the Earth". That does not offend His reverence as Lord and Savior. How many community organizers are out there in the world today doing God’s work? Lastly, what better way to show the error of one’s way than to put that error into a context that can be clearly understood by the person who made it? I cast no judgement on the Governor. That is between her and God. But surely, speaking foolishly does not make her a bad Christian.
 
Written By: Mike
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The reply by Obama might have been over the top, but the comments by Guilliani and Palin were equally offensive and ridiculous. I don’t understand how somebody would mock and laugh at anybody who tries to do their part to help people at the grass roots level.

The Republicans showed their arrogance and ingnorance on this issue. Their agenda has always been to encourage people and the public to take care of themselves and to relieve that burden from the government... So, Barrack Obama does exactly this while he was young and before he went to lawa school... and the Republicans mock him for this? And laugh at him?

Ok, then...

 
Written By: David
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The reply by Obama might have been over the top, but the comments by Guilliani and Palin were equally offensive and ridiculous. I don’t understand how somebody would mock and laugh at anybody who tries to do their part to help people at the grass roots level.
Why? Obama’s campaign chose to laugh at and mock Palin’s experience which was also about helping people at a grass roots level (PTA, City Council, Mayor). Why are they excused but Giuliani and Palin condemned for reacting?

I assume you’ve noticed the reaction of the American people in the polls - they don’t seem to be buying your version at all.
 
Written By: McQ
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Mike - Governor Palin should have realized, as you do, that community organizer is a nebulous term. Therefore, her mocking of it reaches far beyond the Democratic candidate.

Um... right.

Let’s just hope that she never said anything bad about her 4th grade teacher, then, because Jesus was also a teacher (unlike the term "community organizer", "teacher" (rabbi) is explicitly used in the Bible to refer to him).

/ sarc

This is quite a leap of logic you’ve made. You start with the shaky premise that Jesus was a "community organizer". Add to it the premise that Gov. Palin was insulting community organizers when she stuck a barb in The Annointed One by comparing her experience as a mayor to his as a community organizer. Then, make the leap that, by insulting The Annointed One, she was insulting every community organizer that every lived INCLUDING Jesus Christ.

Wow.

By this "logic", Obama has insulted every president including George Washington and Abraham Lincoln by insulting George Bush. He has insulted every man who ever lived by insulting George Bush. He has insulted every Methodist who ever lived by insulting George Bush. He has insulted every man named "George" who ever lived by insulting George Bush. The possibilities for pinning the crime of insulting huge groups of people on Obama are virtually endless if we use your logic here.

Mike - I cast no judgement on the Governor.

Really? Because this seems a lot like "casting judgement" to me:

... in her mocking of community organizers the Christian social conservative Governor Palin was in essence mocking perhaps the greatest communtiy [sic] organizer in history.

Now, do you REALLY think Gov. Palin was mocking Jesus Christ? Or that any other rational person not out to score partisan points would think that she was?

By the way, if you want to continue to pursue the argument that Jesus Christ was a community organizer, who would have been greater than He?
 
Written By: docjim505
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The analogy fails when you remember that Pilate was not elected governor, and the only community Jesus organized was his church.
I am amazed that so much heat has been generated by a one-liner that is technically correct: regardless of anyone’s perception of the importance or value of community organizers, they are self-appointed and not subject to the approval of the entire citizenry where they work. Thus, unlike all elected officials, they have no responsibility to the voters. This may be either good or bad, but it is true.
 
Written By: kate0
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I could not believe it when I first heard of 2 people using that analogy. I find it wholly repugnant. What about "Hitler was white and Martin Luther King was black," or Jesus was a man and Bloody Mary was a Woman." True statements but not innocent ones.

Whether the analogy is technically accurate is irrelevant. It is simply specious to argue that there was no intent to elevate Obama or to denigrate Palin. To choose for one’s example one person who was responsible (hand-washing aside) for the death of the other is a calculated move, probably including supposedly plausible denials of ill intent.

It is silly to assume that the intent was to make fun of community organizing per se, let alone the latest supposition that it’s some sort of racist code. The point that Ms. Palin was making was that community organizing was not comparable to being a mayor in level of responsiblity. She certainly said it in a cutting though humorous way, but to argue she was putting down community organizing is not a very strong argument.
 
Written By: Don
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Democrats have shown the desperate state they are in. It is embarrassing that a group of this size would compare their candidate to the King of Kings, Lord and Savior, Son of God.
Why? Because the candidate has no real qualifications of his own and they have fallen for the oldest trick in the book in politics - putting them on the defense - duh! Present your qualifications truthfully and without comparing yourself to a Holy God who cannot be compared to.
It’s just downright goofy and anti-Christian.
 
Written By: Nola
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Jesus was not a community organizer. He didn’t encourage the Jews to protest and demand services and favors from the Romans. (If He had He would have gotten a lot more of them crucified, too. The Romans took a dim view of "community organizing".)

Ironically, Jesus was arrested, tried, and unfairly convicted on the CHARGE of "community organizing"; or at least "rabble rousing" is a close approximation to what a community organizer does. However as noted above, Jesus never incited the Jews to protest or revolt against Roman rule. He had rather strong opinions about merchandizing on Temple grounds but took direct action in that one instance.

The job of Alasks governor and Roman governor are quite dissimilar. Pontius Pilate was the ROMAN Governor of the Judean province, empowered by the Emperor of Rome to collect the taxes and keep the peace. Sarah Palin is a LOCALLY elected governor of the state of Alaska and is charged by the PEOPLE OF ALASKA to serve their needs. In a sense she’s the top ranked community organizer/elected rabble rouser for Alaska.
 
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