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That’s a load off our minds
Posted by: Bryan Pick on Saturday, September 06, 2008

And some of us were starting to get worried!
If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it," Obama said.
Interesting that he would use that qualifier. Nice signal to every current or prospective gun owner about what Obama wants to take away from you.
But the Illinois senator could still see skeptics in the crowd, particularly on the faces of several men at the back of the room.

So he tried again. “Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress," he said. “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back? I see a couple of sportsmen back there. I’m not going to take away your guns."
Good grief. “Even if I want to take them away”? Translation: “I'm not a gun grabber, but assuming that I'm lying about that, I've put some thought into it and I've calculated that I can't currently succeed. So you're not going to hold this little matter against me, are you?”

And he says he doesn’t have the votes in Congress. Whether he expects that to hold after this election, or for the next four to eight years... that’s another matter, isn’t it?
 
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Watching BO with my son-in-law and my teenage daughter (not his wife, she is in the Guard and on base right now) and my daughter wants to know why I dont like Barry as she thinks he sounds really good. I agree he "sounds" good. Unfortunately what he is saying (as with his comments about the guns) is at odds with what he has said before and more importantly with how he has voted before. SO in a nutshell, i dont believe anything he says. He and I are brothers one day and I am a bitter, bible thumping, gun nut the next.
 
Written By: Paul Gross
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"I don’t have the votes in Congress"
Oh, so you’ve thought about it.

Many Pennsylvanians do "cling to their guns" the same way the the NOW/NARAL crew cling to their "abortion rights."

The argument that Obama gave could equally be used for the abortion issue by any pro-life candidate, so why the hell is Obama running "abortion rights" commercials ?

It’s because he knows it’s lame argument .. things can change.
You’d think the manchild of "Hope and Change" would know that.
The voters here in Pennsylvania do.
 
Written By: Neo
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"If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it," Obama said.
Like he could. I don’t care how many votes in Congress he has.
 
Written By: Is
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I think they have a hard time believing you Barack because you are the most liberal senator in the country. And your ticket is the most liberal ticket in history.
 
Written By: dude1394
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"If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it," Obama said.
Hmmmm...so if I have a gun in my house you are not going to try and take my property? Sounds to me like he just approved one of the key reasons for the 2nd Amendment. No, he won’t be getting my vote since he even considered taking my gun whether he had the votes or not.
 
Written By: Unscripted Thoughts
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I think they have a hard time believing you Barack because you are the most liberal senator in the country. And your ticket is the most liberal ticket in history.
He also worked quite hard to make sure we here in Illinois didn’t enjoy basic rights like the right to defend ourselves...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Ye gods. "I didn’t do it! I wasn’t there! ... besides, nobody saw me!"
 
Written By: Achillea
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He doesn’t need the votes in Congress; he just has to appoint Sarah Brady as head of BTAFE. When she revokes the licenses of all the gun retailers, that won’t have to go through a Congressional vote, will it?
 
Written By: SDN
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Good grief. "Even if I want to take them away"? Translation: "I’m not a gun grabber, but assuming that I’m lying about that, I’ve put some thought into it and I’ve calculated that I can’t currently succeed. So you’re not going to hold this little matter against me, are you?"
Your translation is too charitable. By saying "even if I want to take them away," rather than the more typical "even if I wanted to take them away," he didn’t even imply that he doesn’t want to take them away. Under the most charitable reading possible, he implied that he hasn’t decided whether he wants to take our guns or not.
 
Written By: Xrlq
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Meh. I’m not so sure he meant it that way. The way he said it, makes me think he was trying to play Devil’s advocate — i.e. worst case scenario, I can’t do what you’re afraid I’ll do.

Flip it around and imagine that it was John McCain arguing that his election doesn’t amount to a hill of beans when it comes to abortion. It’s the same, no?
 
Written By: MichaelW
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Michael -
Flip it around and imagine that it was John McCain arguing that his election doesn’t amount to a hill of beans when it comes to abortion. It’s the same, no?
In the proper context, yes, roughly the same. But the context being different, tell me how this would go over: "If it’s your first trimester, I won’t stop you from getting an abortion. And if you don’t believe me, and you think I’d prefer no abortions at all, take heart in the fact that I couldn’t pass a federal ban through Congress."

And especially ask how that would look if the speaker had a strong — let’s say strident — pro-life voting record.

And finally, consider that Obama — unlike McCain — will likely have strong (but not overwhelming) majorities of his party in both houses of Congress if elected, and the opportunity to appoint new Supreme Court justices shortly after Heller was decided 5-4 against his stated preferences.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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His throwing in that "I see a couple of sportsmen back there." line is a dead giveaway: "I’ll allow you to have A gun or two for ’sporting purposes’." Coming from someone who, among other things, wanted a federal ban on concealed carry nationwide, that’s not exactly reassuring.
 
Written By: Firehand
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"If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it," Obama said.

Perhaps the emphasis should be on ’I’m’, as in "The appropriate law enforcement agencies may take your gun, but I’m certainly not going to do so, myself."

As we have all learned, it all depends on what your definition of ’is’ is.



"I see a couple of sportsmen back there."

Which sport? Were they wearing uniforms or signs or something? Maybe he plans on making all gun owners wear those cute little day-glo orange vests.

 
Written By: timactual
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Thirty years ago when I was studying Spanish and we started to learn the subjunctive tense, my teacher told the class that this would be the most difficult tense for us to learn. The reason, he said, was that most English speakers use the indicative tense when the subjunctive should be used. What was typical thirty years ago is nearly universal now; even professional writers and their editors write, "If I went..." instead of, "If I had gone..."

I find Obama’s record on gun control legislation to be a much better indicator of his longstanding desire to disarm law-abiding citizens.
 
Written By: Scott Crawford
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Nah. English speaking people are pretty good about using the subjunctive when they’re being counterfactual. They don’t use it in every context where it would be appropriate in Spanish, however, which is probably the point your Spanish teacher was trying to make.
 
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