Well....first off...no he DIDN’T have to sign up when he graduated from High School.
I was born in the gap years of 57-59, and we’re the only ones who didn’t HAVE to sign up for selective service. I can recall the clerk at city hall giving me an odd look when I went to register in late 75 and was told there was no more selective service.
Re instituted under Carter in 1980, the selective service system didn’t commence signing up young men again until late July 1981.
So, he did have to sign up, but he was (at least) a sophomore in college when he did it. Somehow I’m thinking by that time he’d given up on his military career plans (heh).
Now that’s not to say he never contemplated military service, but selective service wouldn’t have been any kind of issue for him when he first graduated from High School, because there WAS none at the time. |
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And I suspect, unlike yours truly, he didn’t wander into Oahu city hall and try to register for the draft when it no longer existed. |
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We weren’t engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue. This is actually more telling than you think...
The "and so" gives it away.
Read it slowly, and it will dawn on you that he’s saying he didn’t join BECAUSE there was no active conflict. It is the LACK of that caused him to decide not to join...
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Is "enobling" even a word? I guess it is now that the messiah has uttered it. |
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He might have considered it ... for all of 2 seconds before deciding not to. |
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Speaking to ABC’s "This Week," Obama said, "You know, I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii, and I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there. And I actually always thought of the military as an enobling and, you know, honorable option.
"But keep in mind - I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren’t engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue." I graduated in 1981. And since the selective service registration was suspended in 1975 - and not re-instated until July 2, 1980, I have distinct recollections of being in the first class after that who actually did have to register for the draft "when I graduated from high school."
Now, information has it that Barry did register on September 14, 1980 - but hardly "When he graduated from high school." Not till well over a year after.
Again - it’s the details like this that can sink candidacies. As a president, command of details before you run your mouth is essential. Barry has so far demonstrated he has problems with this. |
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And looker does make a good point.
I wanted to go into the service. I tried. I could not get in. I have a curvature in my spine, and I am seven feet tall. At the time, thanks to Jimmy Carter absolutely castrating the military, the Military - the army in particular - was offeing people early retirement due to budget cuts, et. al. I tried the regular army, the reserves, the Guard - no go on all. I remember my frustration at the irony of having to register for the DRAFT - but not being able to VOLUNTEER.
Had this been any serious consideration of the Obamamessiah, there would be no confusion of such details now. Which is why this sh*t rings real false and disingenuous with me.
This is an unfalsifiable me-tooism. |
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Thanks Gonz...I have my dates wrong - bit by a quick look at Wiki AGAIN.
When will I learn? |
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I "thought" about marrying Lucy Liu, several times, didn’t happen though...does my "thinking" about it make me more studly in your eyes? |
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They started signing up again in July of 1980, not 81 as I incorrectly posted.
If he’s signed up in September....it could be he was considered ’late’, it appears there was a very small time frame when you were supposed to register based on your birth year until they went into continuous registration mode.
archive.gao.gov/d42t14/119032.pdf
If September was his date...he was late unless he had an exemption -
1-103. Persons born in calendar year 1961 shall present themselves for registration on any of the six days beginning Monday, July 28, 1980.
1-109. Persons who would have been required to present themselves for registration pursuant to Sections 1-101 to 1-108 but for an exemption pursuant to Section 3 or 6(a) of the Military Selective Service Act, as amended, or but for some condition beyond their control such as hospitalization or incarceration, shall present themselves for registration within 30 days after the cause for their exempt status ceases to exist or within 30 days after the termination of the condition which was beyond their control.
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(and where, exactly....lol....is Oahu city hall.....) |
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Correction to the link I provided of the GAO report about registration numbers
http://archive.gao.gov/d42t14/119032.pdf |
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A bit of nuance: The Annointed One isn’t claiming that he ever considered joining up. Rather, he’s explaining why, despite having friends from military families and growing up in Hawaii around several military bases, "it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue".
And, honestly, that’s OK. Lots of people who are not neccessarily liberal scumbags DON’T join the Armed Forces. I’d even say that many people are not cut out for it and their presence in the ranks would be an outright detriment to efficiency and good order and discipline. Whether Obama would have made a good soldier when he was a young man is something we’ll never know, but I don’t get the sense that he grew up in an overly liberal household and would have approached military service with disdain. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that he probably would have served just as honorably as millions of other American vets past and present. Who knows? At any rate, there’s no reason to think that he would have been a Slovic or a Calley. Too bad his character was formed by people like Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers and not somebody like my old sergeant major.
However, The Annointed One really needs to be careful about referring to military service as "honorable" and "enobling". Talk about irritating his base! They think that only rednecks who like to kill people join the military out of preference; anybody else who signs up is either a poor kid who is suckered by a lying recruiter or "takes the king’s shilling" out of economic desperation. In the eyes of the left, there’s absolutely NOTHING honorable or enobling about serving in the Armed Forces.
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bit of nuance: The Annointed One isn’t claiming that he ever considered joining up. Rather, he’s explaining why, despite having friends from military families and growing up in Hawaii around several military bases, "it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue". Ya know....it doesn’t appear HE ever used the words "I once considered joining the military", at least, I haven’t been able to find them if he did.
It appears to be the headliner’s interpretation of what was said.
...can’t blame Obama for that. |
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The truth be told that I once considered being a cowboy and an astronaut and a double-naught spy and a fairy prince and an army officer.
So does this mean I can be President too ?
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So...NOW I find it....Mr Obama was asked by George Stephanopoulos of ABC’s "This Week" programme whether he’d ever thought about military service and replied: "You know, I actually did. I had to sign up for Selective Service [a means of conscription in case of war] when I graduated from high school.
"And I was growing up in Hawaii. And I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there.
"And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honourable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren’t engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2700555/Barack-Obama-wanted-to-join-the-US-military.html |
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For most there was no ROTC program with which to pursue such an option since they had been run off campus...
At least at my alma mater, we had Army ROTC but Navy ROTC was also an option because it was offered at a neighboring school. So it may have been an option, albeit one he probably would have had to do some digging to find out about.
He only wanted to join if there was a war...
Unless the military is your chosen career, you pretty much put your career on hold while you’re active. That sacrifice makes sense during war, but not at all during peace. |
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Actually, I was born in the same year as Obama (1961). There was no selective service until mid-1980. It was amusing to watch the campus mood go from "nuke them until they glow" (It was Iranian hostage time) to "Hell no, we won’t go!" literally overnight when Carter proposed reinstituted registration.
Given the crowd he hung out with, I’ll bet money he was one of those who went out and marched against selective service registration (roughly 2500 at UCSD did - over 10% of the student body at the time, and we were a math, science, and engineering school).
Lots of pictures were taken of these marches, for both the college and local news. It wouldn’t require a large stroke of luck to find Obama in one of those pictures. The placards would likely authoritatively pinpoint exactly which march this was.
I think that would pretty much finish off this claim by "The One", at least in any context other than, "I encountered a recruiter who suggested it. I considered it and laughed." |
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" We weren’t engaged in an active military conflict at that point."
Perhaps a couple of hundred thousand troops serving in Europe had something to do with that. Or almost forty thousand in Korea, not to mention all the other little places. Evidently he thinks a standing peactime (or cold war) military is a waste of time. Deterrence? Nah.
"Mr Obama was asked by George Stephanopoulos of ABC’s "This Week" programme whether he’d ever thought about military service and replied: "You know, I actually did."
Was this the same time frame as his drug experimentation? He probably also considered flying, too. |
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