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About the "lipstick on a pig" comment
Posted by: Bryan Pick on Wednesday, September 10, 2008

In the comments section of the "Pigs and Bridges" post below, I made the following remarks, and then decided they would be appropriate for the front page:

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First of all, right before the "lipstick on a pig" comment, he apparently plucked a whole paragraph from a political cartoon published on September 5, and didn’t attribute it to the original author.

Then he makes the "lipstick on a pig" comment, about which I will grant that it is possible he wasn’t referring to Palin. But since she so recently made her "lipstick" joke a national buzzline, he should have known in the moment he said it (either the moment it entered his head, or the moment the crowd started laughing and whooping) or he’s not half as smart as we’ve been led to believe.

And after that, he immediately tacks on a line about an "old fish". If he wasn’t intending those two comments, strung together, to be a reference to Palin and McCain, he could have fooled the crowd that was listening to him: they made the connections right away.

If McCain had made some offhand comment like, "Barack Obama is criticizing me for being more partisan than I want people to think I am. Well, that’s kinda like the pot calling the kettle black," that would have sunk him immediately. Never mind that it’s a common phrase. The standard in politics (and governance) is that you don’t make comments that can very easily be taken the wrong way.

If he intended it as a reference to Palin, he’s stupid and he’s being punished for it right now. If he didn’t intend it a reference to Palin, he’s still stupid and he’s still being punished for it right now.
 
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He must have thought he was real clever, and could get away with such cr*p.

I have to admit, this has been an entertaining year. Fun Democratic primary, the Heller decision, now the general election. Pass the popcorn.
 
Written By: Don
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Honestly I will give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, just because he strikes me as too clever to actually call a professional woman a pig in today’s America and hope to get away with it.

 
Written By: kyleN
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I fear a close election where Obama looses the electoral vote but not the popular vote, is going to make the Rodney King verdict look like a walk in the park.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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Kyle-

I don’t think he’s very clever at all. He’s shown repeatedly that once he’s off the script, he’s as big a gaffe machine as they used to give W for being.

He probably thought he could get away with it.

And frankly, McCain should stop making hay out of it right now. He’s made his point, and doing more would only serve to make Palin look weak.

This idiot keeps engaging the bottom of the GOP ticket. What a maroon!

 
Written By: shark
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Honestly I will give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, just because he strikes me as too clever to actually call a professional woman a pig in today’s America and hope to get away with it.
I honestly don’t know. Either way, knowingly or not knowingly, was stupid. However, it is still amusing watching someone on the left get caught up in this culture of word-baiting, gotcha-politics that the left has used so often. Stop yelling everytime someone uses the word black hole in reference to something clearly not intended as a cleverly disguised insult, and you won’t get caught up in the same web for an innocent mistake (if indeed it was that).
 
Written By: Is
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Bryan;
Exactly so.
 
Written By: Bithead
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McCain should also refrain from ever uttering "lets call a spade a spade"
 
Written By: A Fischer
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democrats.org now has a picture up with a female pig with lipstick so I guess that is really what they meant to say
 
Written By: capt joe
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Come on, people. Things like that are called cliches, because they are used all the time, often without even thinking. Evidently paranoia and political correctness are common on all ends of the political spectrum. Are Democrats now to be forbidden to use that, and possibly other cliches, because some overly sensitive people take offense on someone else’s behalf? Time to grow up and realize that someone, somewhere, is going to find something offensive about almost anything. That’s life.
 
Written By: timactual
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"democrats.org now has a picture up with a female pig with lipstick so I guess that is really what they meant to say"


The second sentence at the link provided by you ;

"All that McCain did was to put lipstick on the Pig (the Bush Administration whose failed strategies have wrecked our nation)."


I rest my case.

Take a remedial English class.
 
Written By: timactual
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Honestly, timactual, on any given day I would much prefer to talk about policy, philosophy, economics, history... anything but verbal gaffes. But my take on this issue is not that I’m offended on Palin’s behalf — I think she’d laugh it off — but that Obama made a dumb error whether or not he meant to connect Palin and McCain to a pig and an old fish. I wouldn’t forbid Obama from ever using an unfortunate analogy, but he should "realize that" some people are "going to find something offensive about" a line with such obvious relation to Palin’s famous joke. "That’s life" and that’s the point I made in my post.

Also, I haven’t read any explanation for him lifting the entire political cartoon for his speech. There might be a good one out there, but I haven’t heard it yet.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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It seems the entire "Lipstick on a Pig" story may have been, at least in part, a diversion to take interest away from the the discovery by the NYT that Obama worked on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

The piece is considered “unusually deceptive” and an excellent example of “propaganda” by those familiar with his efforts there, but it could simply be that the writer, Sam Dillon, is primarily a writer about education and unfamiliar with the political implications of the story.

Unexplored was why Obama seems to have left out this job from his resume. Considering Obama has been taking a pummeling for not having any executive experience, this would be an excellent comeback for Obama to all those complaints by McCain and Palin.
 
Written By: Neo
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Perception=Reality...in politics.

While sad, it’s true. The fact is, whatever Obama may have intended is irrelevant for two reasons here:
a. there’s absolutely no way to tell for certain
b. people have already made their own perceptions on what he said, including his targeted audience.

At this point, he’s suffering from a gaffe not unlike the macaca comment.
 
Written By: Joel C.
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What timactual said.

Because I remember some people here in the comments section getting all hot and bothered about Westmorland’s "uppity" comment. Commenting that, "What? We can’t use a word because some people might take offense to it?"

One must choose their words carefully in politics. It’s just that simple.
But no need to get offended by such trivial mishaps.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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"but that Obama made a dumb error whether or not he meant to"

I do not see it as an error. Lipstick on a pig was an acceptable figure of speech before Palin and I do not see why it should not continue to be so. I don’t mean to sound uppity, but people thin skinned enough to see offense where none is meant should seek immediate medical attention, as they are in imminent danger of contracting foot-in-mouth disease. I know, I have a chronic case. It is seldom fatal (depending on where it strikes) but is is extremly uncomfortable.

Mountain, molehill, etc.
 
Written By: timactual
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I do not see it as an error. [...] people thin skinned enough to see offense where none is meant should seek immediate medical attention
timactual, I don’t mean to be rude, but I think I need to remind you that we’re talking about politics here.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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"but I think I need to remind you that we’re talking about politics here."

That may be one reason why I will never be a successful politician. I only have one face. It may not be pretty, but I am too lazy to use makeup. I also have this silly idea that people should act honorably (heh) and use common sense at all times. (Except me, of course; I get a pass).


By the bye, has anyone expressed their outrage at Gov. Palin for comparing the mothers of hockey playing children to a particulary vicious, aggressive, and ugly breed of dog?
 
Written By: timactual
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By the bye, has anyone expressed their outrage at Gov. Palin for comparing the mothers of hockey playing children to a particulary vicious, aggressive, and ugly breed of dog?
I’m sure it’s coming.
 
Written By: Is
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youtube commercial

Ouch.
 
Written By: jpm100
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dig, Obama, dig
"Keep in mind, technically, had I meant it this way, [Palin] would be the lipstick. The failed policies of John McCain would be the pig, just following the logic of this illogical situation," Obama said."
As Nelson on the Simpson’s would say "Ha-Ha"
 
Written By: capt joe
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... a particulary vicious, aggressive, and ugly breed of dog?
Are you referring to the Dogs of Capitalism?
 
Written By: MichaelW
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Obama attacks McCain’s ideas as “lipstick on a pig” and “old fish.” The attack is by Obama on McCain, not Palin.

McCain responds by hiding behind Palin’s skirts.

Their campaign demands an apology. An apology!!!

Anyone ever hear of a pit bull demanding an apology??

What happens if these two start to govern the way they campaign? God forbid Vladimir Putin should ever make an insensitive remark!

This is not your father’s Republican party anymore. They want political correctness. The party of Lincoln has become the party of injured feelings.

Looks like it is getting pretty hot in that kitchen. Wonder who is going to stay in.

This may not be McCain’s doing. I blame Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis for this. More than 35 years after his release from captivity in Hanoi, John McCain is being held captive by these two shmoes and by others in that organization.

Anyone up for going down to McCain campaign headquarters and confronting Schmidt and Davis and demanding that they release the real McCain at once and without preconditions?

Let’s have a contest between Barack Obama and John McCain, not between Obama and Rick Davis.
 
Written By: Ed
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Obama attacks McCain’s ideas as “lipstick on a pig” and “old fish.” The attack is by Obama on McCain, not Palin.
Well it all depends on how you viewed it I guess. As I heard a former Hillary supporter describe it on CNN, there were two enduring lines which came out of Palin’s convention speech - "lipstick" and "Sarah baracuda". And Obama chose lipstick and fish analogies. (I’m not saying I agree, but that’s how she saw it)

Go see if you can convince her this is all a slip.

Perception=reality in politics.
 
Written By: McQ
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Again, I am blaming Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis, who made the decision to get all offended and sensitive over a standard, run of the mill American political jargon.

These two turkeys probably have one ball between them, getting all huffy when the political battle is joined.

They are making the McCain/Palin ticket a laughingstock and they are going to run this campaign into the ground. They are holding McCain captive and keeping Palin practically sequestered. Who made the decision to allow her only on one interview show, two weeks after she came on the scene? What are these guys trying to do?

Personally, I think they may be Democratic moles.

Time to storm campaign offices. This is enough.

Free McCain now! Free McCain now!



 
Written By: Ed
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Again, I am blaming Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis, who made the decision to get all offended and sensitive over a standard, run of the mill American political jargon.
And again, that’s in the eye of the beholder, isn’t it?

BTW, seems to me, if anything, those you’re blaming are simply turning the same tactics the left is so fond of using back on them and they don’t know how to react.
 
Written By: McQ
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I’m at a loss for words for why Obama didn’t just immediately say "I’m sorry if I offended Gov. Palin, I did not mean any insult." And then explain what he was trying to get at.

Instead we’ve got this over the top defense of a throw-away line from his camp.

Me think he doth protest to much about his innocence.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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By the bye, has anyone expressed their outrage at Gov. Palin for comparing the mothers of hockey playing children to a particulary vicious, aggressive, and ugly breed of dog?
Matter of fact, no, and I have a theory about that; Most of them appriciate he comparison in a way most liberals will never have a hope in hell of understanding.
I’m at a loss for words for why Obama didn’t just immediately say "I’m sorry if I offended Gov. Palin, I did not mean any insult." And then explain what he was trying to get at.
The most logical answer is, he DID in fact mean it. Else, he’s decided sip though it was, he can ride it for more of an advanrage than he could get by backing down.
 
Written By: Bithead
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The second sentence at the link provided by you ;
"All that McCain did was to put lipstick on the Pig (the Bush Administration whose failed strategies have wrecked our nation)."
So that the iamgry meshes is not to be taken as a coordinated effort?
Once again, the problem for democrats is heir under-estimation of the smarts of the voters.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
The most logical answer is, he DID in fact mean it. Else, he’s decided sip though it was, he can ride it for more of an advanrage than he could get by backing down.
Now, there’s a character defining moment if I’ve ever seen one.

What kind of man obliquely disses a woman, and then stands by it when caught.

I’m thinking it’s a stunt, just so he can get his name in the Palin dominated news. Especially since the negative Palin rumors are turning out to be less then accurate.

I wonder how the non-political average voter is viewing this.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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I still don’t get it. How did the party of Lincoln become the party of hurt feelings?

What are these people going to do if the leader of some foreign country says something insensitive?

Obama attacks McCain’s ideas! That is crystal clear.

The McCain campaign responds by putting up Palin’s image as if she were the target of Obama’s attack.

They have an expression for this where I come from. It has something to do with hiding behind a woman’s skirts when you feel attacked.

What kind of pit bull demands an apology when attacked? Have they bred some new kind of super-sensitive breed of pit bull?
 
Written By: Ed
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I still don’t get it. How did the party of Lincoln become the party of hurt feelings?
You can ask the same of the party of John Kennedy.

You did watch the primaries didn’t you?
 
Written By: McQ
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One excellent reason not to have changed my registration to the party of JFK.

But you do bring up a very important issue. Physical courage and political courage are not the same. Kennedy was a genuine war hero in the Pacific, and PT 109 really happened. But as President, he was AWOL on civil rights most of the time, appointing segregationist judges to the federal bench because he needed the southern Democratic block and was captive to many of their prejudices, whether he shared them or not.

McCain was a genuine war hero. He is captive to the Focus on the Family wing of his party, which he needs because of the votes they command. He needs Limbaugh on board and Palin was Limbaugh’s favorite “babe.”

Thirty-five years after he was released from captivity in Hanoi, John McCain has been taken captive again. There, he was a Prisoner of War, a POW. Now he is a Prisoner of Rush, a POR.

Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis canceled McCain’s appearance on Larry King live on CNN right after CNN reporter Campbell Brown grilled McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds about Palin’s command decisions with the Alaska National Guard. Does anyone here believe for one tenth of one second that the real McCain would have hesitated to take on Larry King Live. If Obama can go onto Fox News and go mano-a-mano with Bill O’Reilly. Schmidt and Davis are making decisions that make McCain look like a wuss. I repeat my speculations that they are Democratic moles.

If Tom Ridge had been McCain’s choice of VP, this would be a different campaign. Sarah Palin was not too sure exactly what the “Bush Doctrine” was when she was interviewed by Charles Gibson on ABC. She needed a little help from Gibson on this one. Tom Ridge would have not had a problem with the question. He was there when the Bush Doctrine was formulated.

Palin is a travesty. She has no business near the Oval Office.
 
Written By: Ed
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