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Absurd, but not unexpected
Posted by: McQ on Friday, September 19, 2008

Watch this ad:



Now this particular post isn't about whether you agree or disagree with the ad. It's about Karen Tumulty of TIME and her absurd analysis of the ad.

Say Tumulty:
When politicians interject race into a campaign, they seldom do it directly. Consider McCain's new ad, which the campaign says it will be airing nationally. This is hardly subtle: Sinister images of two black men, followed by one of a vulnerable-looking elderly white woman.
Of course Obama is a black man, as is Raines. How else would one depict them? And "sinister"? Unflattering maybe - but hardly sinister.

The elderly white woman? Looks pretty vulnerable doesn't she? Gee, maybe that was the point.

Sometimes, when you're as deep in the tank for Obama as the TIME correspondents seem to be, you begin to see things where nothing exists. Tumulty's shameless attack notwithstanding, I see nothing at all in the ad which could be construed as playing "the race card".
 
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If your not sensitive to differences in color than your a racist. Its now become racist to not be racist.
 
Written By: josh b
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Should he have put them in white face?

At the least the MSM have dropped all pretense of balance. I was getting tired of the them pretending there were playing it down the line. I think we need a bigger tank. What the difference between a prostitute and a journalist? The prostitute is honest about what they do.

Where is this generation’s Jonathan Swift with his modest proposal
 
Written By: capt joe
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I was waiting on the race accusation, not just for that ad, but for any criticism of the Obama/Raines connection.

Here’s the funny part: I didn’t remember who Raines was (Clinton’s OMB guy) and didn’t recall that he was black until I did a search on him about two days ago.

So what should McCain have done? Created the add with just a silhouette of Raines, so that his race wouldn’t be apparent?

Raines, by the way, has some very impressive credentials, just like Duke Cunningham’s military background was very impressive.

And Tumulty is just another reason why no one pays any attention to the vanity publication still known as Time magazine.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
no one pays any attention to the vanity publication still known as Time magazine.
Too bad, I was the 2006 Time Person of the Year.
 
Written By: Is
URL: http://
Maybe you should have read the rest of the analysis, smart guy:
Obama’s Fannie Mae connections are completely fair game. But this ad doesn’t even mention a far more significant tie—that of Jim Johnson, the former Fannie Mae chairman who had to resign as head of Obama’s vice presidential search team after it was revealed he got a sweetheart deal on a mortgage from Countrywide Financial. Instead, it relies on a fleeting and tenuous reference in a Washington Post Style section story to suggest that Obama’s principal economic adviser is former Fannie Mae Chairman Frank Raines. Why? One reason might be that Johnson is white; Raines is black.
Raines has NEVER given advice of any kind to Obama. So, best case scenario, the ad is yet another bald face lie from Team McCain. Worst case scenario, Tumulty is correct.

Take your blinders off, please.
 
Written By: Nicholas
URL: http://
She saw racism, because she’s a racist. She sees blacks as deficient in the back of her mind which is why putting two men, who happen to black, on the negative side of an issue seems like a smear to her.

She practices the racism of low expectations where blacks are perpetually victims who need the white benefactor (democrats) to even just survive.

Its not disconnected from the racism that justifies less than human treatment because of the belief blacks are deficient.

Its the benevolent and malevolent versions of the same phenomena. Its the legacy of the Democrat Party.

The shining example of this were those trapped in NO during Katrina. They were predominantly black and pertrayed as almost exclusively black by the media. There was absolutely no qualms about depicting those trapped as having gone ’Lord of the Flies’. No resistance to the idea at all. In most cases, it was later found to be false. But it was needed to enhance the attack against Bush and they didn’t give it a second thought.
 
Written By: jpm100
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WASHINGTON — NASA will hold a media teleconference Tuesday, Sept. 23, at 12:30 p.m. EDT, to discuss data from the joint NASA and European Space Agency Ulysses mission that reveals the sun’s solar wind is at a 50-year low. The sun’s current state could result in changing conditions in the solar system.
I wonder if they will blame this on Bush or Rove.
Oh yeah, the sun in in the pockets of the big oil companies.
 
Written By: Neo
URL: http://
Um, Nicholas, the Washington Post cares to disagree with you.
* 7/16/08: “In the four years since he stepped down as Fannie Mae’s chief executive under the shadow of a $6.3 billion accounting scandal, Franklin D. Raines has been quietly constructing a new life for himself. He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case’s D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health-care companies and more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.”
* 8/28/08: “In the current crisis, their biggest backers have been Democrats such as Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher J. Dodd (Conn.) and House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (Mass.). Two members of Mr. Obama’s political circle, James A. Johnson and Franklin D. Raines, are former chief executives of Fannie Mae.“
If Obama didn’t correct the WaPo those two times, why are we to believe him now?

You, my high and might friend, are incorrect. Mayhaps you should take the blinders off?
 
Written By: A fine scotch
URL: http://
I agree with Tumulty. I find black men who dress better than I do, in suits and ties, to be extremely sinister. Particularly rich, well educated ones.
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
the ad is yet another bald face lie from Team McCain.
That’s one of two responses from the Obama zombies: When you tell the truth about him it’s either a) racist, or b) a lie.

Meanwhile, Obama, after a few days cheerleading the financial panic (the McCain campaign finally cited Obama for it late yesterday or this morning), Obama is back on his heels again.

Now’s the time for the McCain campaign to put him back down on the canvas.

That’s what I want to see out of the McCain campaign now: another knockdown.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
From Wiki, before it got scrubbed:
Franklin Delano Raines is the former chairman and chief executive officer of Fannie Mae who served as White House budget director under President Bill Clinton. He is currently employed by Barack Obama’s Presidential Campaign as an economic adviser.

The last sentance has been removed so that Mr. Raines can get a better view of the underside of the bus.
You, my high and might friend, are incorrect. Mayhaps you should take the blinders off?


No doubt. If for no other reason than they are blocking what is very likely a spectacular view of his duodenum.
 
Written By: Augustus
URL: http://
Somehow, though, when Obama aired an ad showing in Spanish twisted words by someone not McCain, and tying them to McCain, this is not "racist."

Somehow, the media just doesn’t care that they will sell their souls to get Obama elected. If they have to say he walks on water, they will find the stilts to prop him up. And Tumulty, along with the entire lineups of MSDNC and CNN, are out to get him into the White House, no matter what they have to say to get him there.
 
Written By: James Marsden
URL: http://
"Worst case scenario, Tumulty is correct. Take your blinders off, please."

Analysis: so what if Raines is a crook, because Obama is really tied in with a far worse WHITE crook.

So, according to this nutjob, McCain is at fault for pointing out one of Obama’s lesser ties to crooks, but missed a bigger target. And because of what? Racism. It is always racism with the Left. It explains their lives ("I would have gotten that job except for racism"), why poor people don’t get anywhere ("they would have succeeded except for racism"), and their reasoning why we should give preferential treatment to minorities ("colleges should be forced to admit blacks and other minorities, because we need diversity").

This is why when liberals say that the sun is yellow, always make sure to look up and check, just to make sure.
 
Written By: James Marsden
URL: http://
I find it hilarious to see you wingnuts quoting the WaPo so glowingly. MSM isn’t so bad when they provide you ammo, eh? Too bad it’s false. Raines has denied it and the Obama camp has denied it.

For the record, I’m a goddamn independent, and I’m not all that fond of Obama (I’m particularly offended by all of the anti-lobbyist ads). That being said, I’m probably going to vote for him because Team McCain can’t seem to stop lying to me. Don’t believe me? Ask Mitt Romney. It’s a pity that your party was too anti-Mormon to nominate the most qualified candidate in the country.

And Augustus? Please, PLEASE, if you ever want to be taken seriously (even by your fellow wingnuts), DO NOT cite to Wikipedia as a primary source ever again. It’s embarassing for all of us.

You can all go back to tilting at windmills now.
 
Written By: Nicholas
URL: http://
DO NOT cite to Wikipedia as a primary source ever again. It’s embarassing for all of us.
Right, which is why someone felt it necessary to ’correct’ the entry on Raines huh Nicholas?

Oh, you mean, you’re embarrassed about using it as a source! Oh!!!! I thought you were embarrased it used to say Raines was one of Obama’s econmoic advisors.
Doh!

And you’re an indepedent. uh-huh, sure...
This sounds so ’independent’ in it’s appraisal of the post -
Raines has NEVER given advice of any kind to Obama. So, best case scenario, the ad is yet another bald face lie from Team McCain. Worst case scenario, Tumulty is correct.

Take your blinders off, please.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Um, Nicholas, both you and Tumulty need to learn that argument by assertion (and later ad hominem by you) is not a particularly attractive way to get your point across.

You know nothing about me and my political views, yet you call me a "wingnut." You flatly assert (and do note the word you chose to emphasize in all caps) that
Raines has NEVER given advice of any kind to Obama.
yet when I present you with evidence to the contrary you again argue by assertion and then attempt to change the subject.

Should you wish to discuss the matter, I’d be more than happy to talk about it. Dismissing my argument because I proved you incorrect and attacking me with ad hominem makes you look immature and your assertions weak.

Enjoy your rage, dear Nicky.
 
Written By: A fine scotch
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Looker: Fantastic comment. It really enlightened me and gave me a new perspective on the issue. Thank you.

If you wish, on John McCain’s behalf, to further alienate MORE independent voters, please go right ahead as I’ve already declared which candidate I hate the least. That doesn’t make me any less of an independent.
 
Written By: Nicholas
URL: http://
Fine scotch:

1) You might want to recheck your sources, because now your beloved WaPo is calling McCain a liar over this very ad . In fairness, only 2 pinocchios is probably some kind of truth-telling record for John McCain.

2) Scoreboard, b*tch. What do I have to be enraged about? McLiar is losing this thing (in particular, he’s losing New Mexico, Colorado, Michigan, and Pennsylvania). So back into the wilderness for you.
 
Written By: Nicholas
URL: http://
Okay, Nicholas, that means that either 1) Franklin Raines was lying then or 2) Franklin Raines is lying now. Which is it?

Further, that means the WaPo (with its many layers of editors & fact checkers) either 1) was wrong then or 2) wrong now. Which is it?

Barack Obama was content to allow people to believe he was working with Franklin Raines when Raines was not a political liability and now that Raines is a liability, Obama feels the need to correct the record. Convenient that...

As for the anger comment, 1) you called me a childish name (or lumped me in with a group of other people you called a childish name), 2) you used the expression goddamn (a curse word, usually indicative of anger) and 3) you now use the expression b*tch (another curse word).

Finally as a resident of the state of Colorado, I can tell you McCain is not losing in Colorado as of the moment. You continue to argue by assertion and it makes you look bad. Were I you (and I thank God I’m not), I’d either learn to stop or learn to construct an argument.
 
Written By: A fine scotch
URL: http://
A fine scotch:

I bill out at too high a rate to spend all day correcting the plethora of errors in your comments, but I will say:

1) Curse words do not necessarily signify anger.
2) Obama is, in fact, winning Colorado.
3) Just because you refuse to click the links doesn’t mean I’m arguing from assertion.
4) Franklin Raines isn’t seeking the presidency (nor is the WaPo, for that matter), so I don’t really care when he was lying. McCain, on the other hand, is seeking the presidency, so his lies concern me a great deal.

When you’re done rearranging the goalposts in your next comment, I’ll happily (and curse word free, if you like) point out, yet again, that John McCain is a liar and that your party has dam—darned itself by not choosing the most qualified candidate available.
 
Written By: Nicholas
URL: http://
I find it hilarious to see you wingnuts quoting the WaPo so glowingly.
And it is equally as amusing watching you try to ignore it.

So, should the WaPo retract those statements? I mean if they’re not true, isn’t that the ethical thing to do? Why didn’t the Obama campaign, which has fired at everything that moves if they disagree, not object to those stories at the time?

Oh, yeah, the crap hadn’t hit the fan then, had it? Now its "under the bus" time because it is politically inconvenient to claim such a relationship, huh?

Please, tell us why those two WaPo stories are incorrect in this particular case but dead on in everything else it says if what it says happens to hit on the McCain campaign?

Moonbats, I’ll bet their DNA cries itself to sleep at night.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Great site you guys have!

Would you like a Link Exchange our new blog COMMON CENTS where we blog about the issues of the day??

http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com
 
Written By: Steve
URL: http://www.the-irn.com
Nicky, boy,

Are your shoulders tired from hauling the goalposts all over the place (something have the temerity to accuse me of)?

The point of the post is that John McCain used the Washington Post to source an ad tying Frankie Raines to Barack Obama. If, indeed, the Washington Post was incorrect in its reporting, the Washington Post was wrong but John McCain did (since you seem to like emphasis in all caps) NOT lie.

You are correct that curse words do not necessarily indicate anger, but they’re usually a good indicator.

You argued from assertion, got called on it, and argued from assertion again. Those are all facts. The fact that you later provided evidence for one of the assertions is irrelevant.

Finally, to reiterate, John McCain did not LIE. The WaPo reported something, McCain relied on it.

Merriam Webster defines lie as: "to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive." McCain did no such thing.
 
Written By: A fine scotch
URL: http://
If you wish, on John McCain’s behalf, to further alienate MORE independent voters, please go right ahead as I’ve already declared which candidate I hate the least. That doesn’t make me any less of an independent.
Yeah, again, further evidence of your independence and open mindedness -
What do I have to be enraged about? McLiar is losing this thing (in particular, he’s losing New Mexico, Colorado, Michigan, and Pennsylvania). So back into the wilderness for you.
Registered independent Democrat.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
And since they’ve already thrown Johnson, once vetter of VP’s (I can’t vett these all these people!) under the bus there’s not a whole lot of point trying to tie him to Obama in September.

Raines, on the other hand.

Some set of informal advisers Obama has -
Johnson, Raines, Ayers, Wright
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Some set of informal advisers Obama has -
Johnson, Raines, Ayers, Wright
Don’t forget his revolting wife.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
That’s one of two responses from the Obama zombies: When you tell the truth about him it’s either a) racist, or b) a lie.
More often they call it c) both of the above.
 
Written By: Achillea
URL: http://
And we’ve moved beyond the sex ad thing I see. Good, continued fighting in that zone was going to get ugly if people read the actual bill and saw what it proposed to teach kindergardeners.

Best to move it off the front page. Thank God for McCain’s new assaults!

Meanwhile, is it really true that Sarah Palin doesn’t know how to use Emoticons in emails! O.o
ROFLMAO
How lame is that!
And we expect these people to run the country! :^0
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Oh, yeah, the crap hadn’t hit the fan then, had it? Now its "under the bus" time because it is politically inconvenient to claim such a relationship, huh?
I know you weren’t trying to be ironic with that comment, McQ, but I found it amusing all the same. And Fiorina? What happened to her when she spoke the truth about your candidates?

Martin McPhillips: Stay classy. As long as wives are fair game, query whether ’revolting’ is worse than ’drug-addled’.

Thank you all for reminding me why I’m voting for Obama.
 
Written By: Nicholas
URL: http://
You can write the ad yourself, with McCain apologizing for relying on the WaPo, which has now changed its story. It plays up the "media biased" or "media liar" line, depending on which way you lean, and it takes the heat off of McCain for running an inaccurate ad.

 
Written By: Jeff Medcalf
URL: http://www.caerdroia.org/blog
Thank you all for reminding me why I’m voting for Obama.
Finally, after all that bs about being an independent. You are just another mindless Obama drone astroturfing.
 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://
Can someone explain to me how making up my mind not to vote for a liar somehow vitiates my status as an independent? I certainly don’t think you can, capt joe. I suspect that you might not even be a real captain!
 
Written By: Nicholas
URL: http://
I know you weren’t trying to be ironic with that comment, McQ ...
Not trying to be?

LOL

I was purposely ironic just for you.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Can someone explain to me how making up my mind not to vote for a liar somehow vitiates my status as an independent?
It doesn’t. How you register is your business. How you vote is your business.

But let’s not pretend you’re anything other than a Democrat registered as an independent, and I’m going to make a stretch and say it’s so you can come to places like this and grumble -
"I’m an independent goddammit!" while you toe the current Democratic party line.

See, we’re not buying that you ever had any intentions other than to vote for either Hillary or Obama, whichever one was chosen.

Is Joe Lieberman REALLY an independent?

Uh, yeah.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
Can someone explain to me how making up my mind not to vote for a liar somehow vitiates my status as an independent?
Certainly - the fact that you only characterize one of the candidates as a "liar" highlights your selection bias and easily "vitiates" your pseudo-status of "independent" without anyone here having to say much at all.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
The Obama democrats and their media cheerleaders cannot think of a reason for anyone to vote for their unqualified candidate, so they simply state that it is racist to vote against him. There are reasons to vote for John McCain. Could someone please explain why I should vote for Obama?
 
Written By: arch
URL: http://
You can write the ad yourself, with McCain apologizing for relying on the WaPo, which has now changed its story. It plays up the "media biased" or "media liar" line, depending on which way you lean, and it takes the heat off of McCain for running an inaccurate ad.
I’m not so sure that’s a bright idea, Jeff.
Double edged sword, you see.
McCain relying on a historically spotty source for intel...

WMD, so on and so forth... The ad writes itself.
Finally, to reiterate, John McCain did not LIE. The WaPo reported something, McCain relied on it.

Merriam Webster defines lie as: "to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive." McCain did no such thing.
Sure thing, scotch. And the next time some Dem relies on a rag for some questionable information damning the other guy, I’m sure you’ll be at the forefront defending the Dem for NOT lying. I have faith in you.

I’ve learned over the years reading this site that the "us against them" is not necessarily in the manner of an "Obama against McCain", but more in the manner of "us against those who do not damn them". Nevermind moving the goal posts... who cares?
It matters not, here, that McCain "struggles" with the truth. It matters not, here, that McCain flip-flogs frequently. It matters more that "those" do not recognize that Obama "struggles" with the truth, or flip-flops frequently.


Nevermind moving the goal posts... who cares? McCain and Obama rarely play on this pitch.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
Thank you all for reminding me why I’m voting for Obama.

You’re welcome. I can’t imagine forgetting something so important, but I’m sure glad to help out, especially when the reason is so blatantly obvious.

While you’re pretending to be independent, I’m going to pretend to be something fun, like a fireman or an astronaut, wheeeeeeee!

Good luck getting it out :)
 
Written By: Augustus
URL: http://
Can someone explain to me how making up my mind not to vote for a liar somehow vitiates my status as an independent?
1. Your claim that McCain is a "liar" isn’t backed up by any evidence. The closest thing to a McCain ad that "lies" is the one which infers that Obama was talking about Palin in his "lipstick/pig" remark. Obama’s audience certainly took away the same inference, and Obama didn’t quickly catch himself and make it clear what he was referring to, so what does the McCain campaign owe to that? I think they got it for exactly what it was.

2. Your "liar" complaint is, miraculously or coincidentally, aligned with the immediate Obama campaign tactic of reacting to McCain ads with "liar."

3. So, the easiest conclusion is that you’re a deployed nutrootist, trying to carry the viral "liar" shtick.

4. Good luck with it, liar.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
It matters not, here, that McCain "struggles" with the truth. It matters not, here, that McCain flip-flogs frequently. It matters more that "those" do not recognize that Obama "struggles" with the truth, or flip-flops frequently
Right Pogue:
If John McCain supports it he will be rightfully called a flip-flopper. He’ll have flipped on supporting opening the entire OCS for exploration and flopped in his pledge to oppose bills with wasteful spending.
It doesn’t matter at all:
McCain lies? Politicians Lie.

All of them.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
looker: when grown folks are talking shut your mouth.

McQ: That I’ve chosen to characterize one of the candidates as a ’liar’ proves nothing except that I’ve been paying attention.

I’m sure it would be nice for the coherency of your worldview if you could pigeonhole all those who don’t fall lock-step behind your candidate as die-hard partisans, or moonbats, or whatever, but it simply isn’t the case. Independent isn’t the same as undecided, and I maintain that I can be the former even when I’ve ceased to be the latter. To think otherwise is smallminded and reveals you as exactly the kind of hardened partisan that you and your echo-chamber of sycophantic readers suggest that I am.

And what gives with the quotation marks around ’vitiates’?
 
Written By: Nicholas
URL: http://
Sure thing, scotch. And the next time some Dem relies on a rag for some questionable information damning the other guy, I’m sure you’ll be at the forefront defending the Dem for NOT lying. I have faith in you.
But it wasn’t "damning the other guy." It was innocent reportage, relating a fact that the reporter clearly took away from his interviews, unaware that it would have political reverberations.

McCain’s use of it was appropriate and honest. It was a fact reported in the Washington Post put into the context of Obama’s own accusations about McCain’s involvement with lobbyists (to which the ad was a response) that put Obama’s accusations in their proper context. And that context is that Obama’s up to his nostrils involved with the Fannie Mae swindlers.

Nor is it inconsistent with Jim Johnson’s involvement with Obama.

Now, Obama’s out of context use of some comments made by Limbaugh in Obama’s Spanish language ad, that’s lying, at its race-baiting best.


 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
looker: when grown folks are talking shut your mouth.
Well, I wouldn’t ask you to "shut your mouth" Nick, but could you take that horse that kicked you in the head outside.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
McPhillips, you’re revolting. And if I’m part of the nutroots I suppose Mitt Romney is, too, so I’m in good company.
 
Written By: Nicholas
URL: http://
You’re right, McQ. I was meaning more generally to the comments section. I should have made that clear. My apologies.
And to your credit - though I figure it to be less than 5% - you do acknowledge that the Republicans suck too. But while I have you, would you be so kind to reason why this,
So, should the WaPo retract those statements? I mean if they’re not true, isn’t that the ethical thing to do? Why didn’t the Obama campaign, which has fired at everything that moves if they disagree, not object to those stories at the time?
is your concern rather than the McCain campaign getting it right?

Why is it so important that the WaPo who is, as Nicholas points out, not running for president, retract their falsehoods, but it’s not as important McCain retracts it?

If the WaPo and McCain are in the wrong here, isn’t it a greater concern that McCain gets it right? Piss on the WaPo all you like, but at least acknowledge that McCain should get it right in the first place.

We should expect more from our presidential candidates, no? Especially the one you consider to be the lesser of two evils.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
The irony is that the real racists are Obama’s white supporters. That’s the only reason they are supporting this empty suit with no experience and his threadbare policy prescriptions (in those few instances when you can discern what they actually are) of raising taxes on the rich, increasing the size of government and conducting a foreign policy that will make Europe like us. People who oppose Obama’s candidacy have at least shown him the respect of considering the substance of his positions (or the lack thereof). For example, he thinks that the credit/mortgage meltdown has been caused by the reduction of the top personal income tax rate from 38% to 35%. He doesn’t have a clue about economics, foreign affairs or anything else. Go back and look at the telecasts on the broadcast networks on the Thursday night of the DNC, the only point every one of those commenters made was that the night was historic because Obama was black. It obviously was historic, but that isn’t a legitimate basis to elect him as president. And for the record, in my opinion Sarah Palin isn’t remotely qualified to be the president either. Of course, unlike Obama, she isn’t running for president. I’m not voting for Obama or McCain. They are both clueless about economics and they both seem to believe in big government and a miraculous faith in government regulation. I think we’re screwed no matter what, but I nor anyone else is a racist because we oppose Obama.
 
Written By: jt007
URL: http://
Now, Obama’s out of context use of some comments made by Limbaugh in Obama’s Spanish language ad, that’s lying, at its race-baiting best.
Please, McPhillips, please justify McCain’s recent Spanish language ad as not lying.
"Obama and his Congressional allies say they are on the side of immigrants," the ad’s announcer says in Spanish in the spot, released Friday. "But are they? The press reports that their efforts were ’poison pills’ that made immigration reform fail. The result: No guest worker program. No path to citizenship. No secure borders. No reform. Is that being on our side? Obama and his Congressional allies: Ready to block immigration reform, but not ready to lead."

In truth, Obama and many other Democrats publicly supported the efforts to enact immigration reforms started by Sens. McCain and Kennedy (D-Mass.) in 2005. Obama voted for last year’s final bipartisan proposals, but faced criticism for sponsoring changes to a temporary worker program that later failed, and Senate colleagues described him as "notably absent" during negotiations.
More...
Why might we believe this is a lie? Because just two years ago, McCain thanked Obama for his support of comprehensive immigration reform.

Congressional Record, May 25, 2006, Senator McCain: "I also thank Senators Brownback and Lieberman, Graham and Salazar, Martinez, Obama, and DeWine for their shared commitment to this issue, in working to ensure this [comprehensive immigration] bill moves successfully intact through the legislative process."

Close McCain ally Senator Mel Martinez, R-Fla., also praised Obama in a letter dated June 28, 2007:

"Thank you for your support of the Immigration Reform Bill. While it failed, your backing of this important legislation meant a lot to me personally. I know that standing firm in the face of extreme pressure has not been easy, and again, I thank you."

Yet just two years later, Senator McCain appears to have forgotten his praise for Senator Obama’s steadfast support of immigration reform.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
If the WaPo and McCain are in the wrong here, isn’t it a greater concern that McCain gets it right? Piss on the WaPo all you like, but at least acknowledge that McCain should get it right in the first place.
I guess your vaginia got all dry thinking Obama would loose, so that’s why you are cranky.

Why assume WaPo got it wrong? And we expect political ads to be hardhitting and partisan. The WaPo story was supposed to be journalism.

 
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That’s right Pouge, McCain’s a lier ’cause he thanked Obama. Wow, you are a tool.

No doubt, you don’t care if Obama is lying about Ayers. And you don’t care that his economic ideas would make the Clinton Administration actions that caused our current mess look like minor stupidity. You just want your leftist tool to win.
 
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McPhillips, you’re revolting. And if I’m part of the nutroots I suppose Mitt Romney is, too, so I’m in good company.

Written By: Nicholas
Let’s see. You are full of sh*t and it doesn’t embaress you in the least. You indeed fit in well with the nutroots.

 
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Learn to read:
The press reports that their efforts were ’poison pills’ that made immigration reform fail.
That doesn’t contradict being thanked on the floor or getting a letter from Mel Martinez.

The question is: What press so reported? (In the WaPo story that the WaPo blog you got your song and dance from links to, Obama is portrayed as a Schumer-like camera and credit hog who contributed little.)

If what the ad claims matches up with a contemporary press report, i.e., that suggests he and his allies offered "poison pill" amendments, then the ad is true. If the press reports are in the Spanish language press, then McCain has a touchdown.

That’s not even close to Obama’s ad that uses lying race-baiting out-of-context Limbaugh quotes.

If there’s a press account out there that makes the "poison pill" charge, and there probably is, then this is a good ad. And why wouldn’t the Democrats include poison pills in legislation that voters don’t want, particularly the essential black base of the Democratic Party? Their support for the bill could easily be a come-on for hispanic voters that they never intended to succeed.

McCain’s earnest support for the bill, on the other hand, was the number one thing that left him at around 5% in the Republican nomination polls summer a year ago. Republicans were ready to ride him out of the party on a rail.
 
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I guess your vaginia got all dry thinking Obama would loose, so that’s why you are cranky.
My vaginia!?
What is it with you and the misspelling of the insults??? You did it before with "Chickesh*t".

Heh... So not only am I a "chickesh!t", I’m also a "vaginia".

Well... the only thing I can think of in retort is...
You are also a chickesh!t vaginia, sir.

I can’t wait for what you’ll call me next. Perhaps a "corksucking flockstick", or maybe a "bastyard".

Keep ’em coming Don. You are a riot.
 
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McPhillips, you’re revolting.
What, no evidence on the "lies?"
 
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Don, Pogue is mostly civil here so relax it a bit. I don’t agree with what he says but he has the right to say it.

Nicholas sounds just like the ton of pseudo "independents" and "republicans" that have suddenly launched themselves on right leaning and libertarian blogs proclaiming their disappointment in McCain, yada yada
 
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For instance, two paragraphs from the WaPo blog that presents the YouTube of the ad. The first paragraph presents the translated narration. The second one presents the rebuttal:
"Obama and his Congressional allies say they are on the side of immigrants," the ad’s announcer says in Spanish in the spot, released Friday. "But are they? The press reports that their efforts were ’poison pills’ that made immigration reform fail. The result: No guest worker program. No path to citizenship. No secure borders. No reform. Is that being on our side? Obama and his Congressional allies: Ready to block immigration reform, but not ready to lead."

In truth, Obama and many other Democrats publicly supported the efforts to enact immigration reforms started by Sens. McCain and Kennedy (D-Mass.) in 2005. Obama voted for last year’s final bipartisan proposals, but faced criticism for sponsoring changes to a temporary worker program that later failed, and Senate colleagues described him as "notably absent" during negotiations.
The second paragraph, the rebuttal, doesn’t rebut the claim. Obama and allies, the ad says, claim they support, etc. The the ad asks if they really do, which is a question, which is followed by the claim that the "press" reports "their efforts were ’poison pills’."

Poison pills is in quotes, i.e., quoting a report in the "press." No lie unless there is no such report, and I seriously doubt that the report doesn’t exist. Let’s ask the McCain campaign! Why don’t you do that Mahone, since you’ve declared the ad a lie.

 
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Don, Pogue is mostly civil here so relax it a bit. I don’t agree with what he says but he has the right to say it.
Thanks, joe.
Nicholas sounds just like the ton of pseudo "independents" and "republicans" that have suddenly launched themselves on right leaning and libertarian blogs proclaiming their disappointment in McCain, yada yada
Who knows about Nicholas? But one thing is for certain, there are tons of pseudo "independents" and "libertarians" suddenly launching themselves for McCain while proclaiming not only their disappointment with McCain, but also their downright hatred of the man not just but a few short months ago.
 
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You’re three sheets to the wind, McPhillips.

Your criteria for judging Obama’s lies are far more lax than your judging McCain’s.

Is not a lie the "intent to deceive"? And isn’t such caveats as "the press reports" the same as "some say"?

It’s nothing but fact that the Republicans killed the immigration reform from McCain. McCain’s ad suggests that it was Obama that killed it. To me, that’s a lie.
 
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You’re hardly a Jesuit, Mahone.

Citing a press report and citing a rumor, though in our contemporary sense too similar for comfort, are not the same thing. The former is a published source, the latter is old ladies talking.

I accept your pistol and sword, both on the ad and your attempt to compare it to the Obama ad that race baits and lies, using a doctored Limbaugh quote.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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You’re three sheets to the wind, McPhillips.
Don’t know about McPhillips, but I am. F**K you, Mr. spellchecker.
Your criteria for judging Obama’s lies are far more lax than your judging McCain’s.
Uh, that would be you, reveresed. Obama’s a fu**ing communist.
But one thing is for certain, there are tons of pseudo "independents" and "libertarians" suddenly launching themselves for McCain while proclaiming not only their disappointment with McCain, but also their downright hatred of the man not just but a few short months ago.
I’m actually registered Libertarian. However, I’ll vote McCain. At one point, I considerd that, if faced by Hillary v McCain, how would I vote? I wasn’t quite sure.
 
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Why do I feel I’m watching a bad "C" movie that used the history of Germany in the 30’s as the plot line and merely changed the names and places to avoid a copyright infringement charge ?

I used to wonder just how Hilter ever came to power, but watching this year’s POTUS race .. now I know in vivid color just how an entire nation can go crazy .. and live to regret it.

Scenes not seen yet ...
.. 4th estate corrupted (this must be a fantasy)
.. paying by weighing the currency (because it’s that worthless)
.. Youth Movement (this seems like a warm up)
.. war with our neighbors (NAFTA bashing wasn’t enough)
.. "brown shirts" (wait maybe this has already happened)

Maybe I should just take a Prozactm and when I am able to care again .. the world will be a better place.
 
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but also their downright hatred of the man not just but a few short months ago.
Well, I always liked him myself, and of his policies, some were ok, some not, but I guess that there is always a worse alternative. Obama is definitely worse but that is my opinion.
 
Written By: capt joe
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But hey, I hear Obama voted present for the new economic plan.

I guess he can vote present next time a couple of planes fly into a building somewhere. Yeah, that’ll do.
 
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So Pogue, why are you all fired up about this guy anyway. Yeah, I know you say you aren’t, but I can read between the lies as much as anyway and it is pretty obvious that you are leaning that way.

The economy is ready to meltdown to China, and the people in the know are saying this:
One day later, Mr. Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke sped to Congress to seek approval for the biggest government intervention in financial markets since the 1930s. In a private meeting with lawmakers, according to a person present, one asked what would happen if the bill failed.

"If it doesn’t pass, then heaven help us all," responded Mr. Paulson, according to several people familiar with the matter.
And he votes present. What the heck is wrong with this guy. God, you can almost see the puppet strings.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Here watch this as it lays out how much Obama had a hand in Fannie Mae.

He is not fit to be president and anyone who thinks he is is massively deluded.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Obama has some public policy positions.

In the midst of two shooting wars and facing a resurgent Russia, he would to cut defense, renounce the use of nuclear weapons, stand down all alert forces and put his political cronies in charge of defense requirements.

He would appoint more activist judges to restrict our first, second, fifth and tenth amendment rights. Expect "hate speech" laws, the fairness doctrine, gun bans, eminent domain seizures and land use restrictions and kiss state laws goodbye.

He would open the borders and give amnesty to illegals already here.

He would nationalize the health care system.

He would prohibit workers a secret ballot in union elections.

He would increase the education budget and allow it to continue putting Leftist propaganda ahead of learning.

He would allow abortions at any stage of pregnancy. If an infant should survive an abortion, he would prevent doctors from treating the baby, allowing it to die of exposure alone and on a cold metal table.

He would pursue a naive foreign policy which would not protect our national interest or those of our allies. He would cut and run in Iraq regardless of the situation or the consequences. He would renegotiate NAFTA and pursue protectionist policies.

He would not permit oil companies to develop or even explore off shore oil fields and he would tax oil company profits making fuel and energy prices rise.

To pay for all of the above, he would raise payroll taxes (withholding and social security) on the rich. (Expect the definition of "rich" to be earning $30,000 a year.) Expect corporate taxes to increase. Expect inflation and a stagnant economy similar to what President Carter gave us.

Been there. Done That.
 
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So Pogue, why are you all fired up about this guy anyway. Yeah, I know you say you aren’t, but I can read between the lies as much as anyway and it is pretty obvious that you are leaning that way.
To be fair to Pouge (not that there is any reason to be fair), he might be voting for Gram or he might write in Paul.
 
Written By: Don
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I don’t think that the vulnerable looking old white woman looks very white. In fact, other than probably not being black she looks pretty racially ambiguous. My first thought was that she was Hispanic, actually.
 
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To be fair to Pouge (not that there is any reason to be fair), he might be voting for Gram or he might write in Paul.
yeah, thats true
 
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When you built a course of action on a deceived foundation, you can certainly create a rocky aftermath. Some politicians are looking to wipe out the payday loan industry and sadly, some have succeeded in many areas. This action reflects the groundless idea or assumption that payday lenders fall under the same category as illegal loan sharks. This ongoing challenge to pass this legislature attempts to restrict or take away your ability to get a payday loan for unforeseen emergency cash needs. Please do not be misinformed and educate you, friends and family on the right of financial independence.


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If you are mistaken on the facts of a subject it can create a rocky aftermath, particularly in an instance when you take a course of action based on those misinformed facts. The pros and cons of payday loans, and what the future holds for the industry often can fall victim to this. Some politicians from both parties are attempting to pass legislation that would restrict or take away your ability to get a Payday Loans Unfortunately, some of these politicians have succeeded in passing their legislation. Some politicians have even gone as far as outlawing the industry all together. Many of these laws are based on the assumption that payday lenders are run under the same ethics as illegal loan sharks. Please don’t be misinformed on the facts, and educate you, family, and friends on the right to financial independence.
 
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Many politicians are no friend to the payday loans industry. In order to raise voter support they choose to ignore what is best for the citizens. Some states including, Georgia, North Carolina, and Oregon have completely driven out the payday loan companies. Politicians still choose to disregard the benefits of the industry even though statistics in these states show a spike in bankruptcy filings, bounced checks and foreclosures. Even though these negative statistics have come to light, several governors are still trying to follow suit. If the efforts to wipe the industry completely off the map prove successful, some possible repercussions might consist of increased unemployment rates, more debt, more foreclosures and an even more inapt economy.

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I watched the latest debate between Barack Obama and John McCain. Although the “town-hall”-style TV debate attracted more than 60 million viewers, the majority were not satisfied with countless indirect answers to many of the questions that were asked that night. Instead of providing firm resolution for the well-being of all Americans, they hope to bring on a larger number of citizens to take sides by means of personal criticism. McCain continued to proclaim his “stay the course” stance on Iraq and his oil drilling policies. On the other hand, Obama carried on criticizing Republican policies that he claimed have led to America’s current recession. This unremitting action of theirs only leaves us wondering exactly how either of them would work to prevent further economic catastrophes. America needs a logical economic proposal. Obama encourages the scheme to wipe out the payday loan industry, which is not a logical solution to the real economic problems we face. This is only to add more flavors for the banking and credit union appetizer.
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