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How can you support either of them?
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, October 08, 2008

One of our commenters has said repeatedly that most of the writers here threw Obama into the bay months ago because he had a "D" after his name.

Well, that's not the only reason, but it is right up there among the top reasons. As I've stated any number of times, I find the Democratic party, as it is presently configured (i.e. trending harder and harder to the left) to be the most dangerous of the two parties.

It's sort of like reporting into my first unit in the Army. My CO looked up and said "Ranger, huh? I figure all rangers are squared away until they prove otherwise. I figure everyone else is [expletive deleted] up until they prove otherwise."

Well, in my world, Democrats fall in the latter category. And I'm more likely to put Republicans - mostly conservative Republicans - in the former category.

Of course, that's never been a problem with John McCain - he's found his way into the latter category more than the former. And last night, he found his way back into the expletive deleted category with his $300 billion bowl of crap to go with the "crap sandwich". Michelle Malkin lays it out:
He spent the entire debate assailing massive government spending — while his featured proposal of the night was to heap on more massive government spending to pursue home ownership/retention at all costs. If Obama had proposed this, the Right would be screaming bloody murder about this socialist grab to have the Treasury Department renegotiate individual home loans and become chief principal write-down agents for the nation.
Any questions? She's right and you know it.

So where in the hell did that come from?

He was asked whether health care is a "right, privilege or responsibility" and he rightly calls it a responsibility.

But his response to those who've gotten themselves into loans they couldn't afford - well it has little to do with responsibility does it?

Nice move, Mr. McCain.

One of Malkin's commenters says:
“It does not matter whether it is on top of the current $700,000,000,000.00 bailout. It is the simple fact that McCain thinks that house prices need to be stabilized by government mandate . That the government has any business at all to do with the price of a home. That the government’s duty is to keep people in their overpriced homes. That the government should discriminate against non home owners by helping establish home prices that are outside the range of many if not most people who work near where the homes are located. The government is not the economy, unless you are communist marxist socialist..."
President Obama - get used to saying it, because the conservative base just jumped off the tallest building they could find.
 
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I just finished arguing with friends that Obama’s attempt to keep defaulting home owners in their home was “more of the same” policies that created the problem. Now McCain pulls the rug from under my feet by out doing Obama with his proposal to support housing bubble prices and unqualified borrowers.

 
Written By: Jason Pappas
URL: http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/
Sort of a choice between being run over by a car or a train isn’t it? The only major difference will be the number of pieces to clean up when it’s over.
 
Written By: Jay
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Yes Obama can speak, McCain can talk, but let’s be careful here. An Obama win will allow all those diehard Democrats to get their big government liberal solutions implemented. We will have the European economy with the Cadanian health care system. If you go look at the recent labor numbers, the only sector that was hiring was government - that should scare the hell out of people. The key to this election are the independents - the point needs to be pounded again and again, an all Democrat government will be the end of free market economical policy. You think Fannie and Freddie were bad, just wait!!
 
Written By: Commander Tom
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How can you support either of them?
This question is either:
1) Rhetorical; or
2) Stupid.

The answer is, because one of these two is going to be the next POTUS, not Michael Badnarik or Ralph Nader, or whosoever you deem the “Perfect” Nominee.


 
Written By: Joe
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The answer is, because one of these two is going to be the next POTUS
That doesn’t mean you support one or the other. It just means that you are going to hold your nose and avert your eyes while you pull that lever next month.

For a long time I have felt, along with many, that there would be little eco-policy significant difference between a McCain and Obama presidency and that neither is acceptable. This debate did nothing to alter that perception. The only question is who will do the least damage.
 
Written By: CR
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CR, you call it what you will. But if we regard government as a nessesary evil, and I think we should, then election have always come down to which of the chocies is the least evil.

Such was the driver, for example of my choice to support W for POTUS.
He’s at best a centrist, as I have been saying forever... but his is a far less evil choice than Kerry or Gore.

By the same toekn, McCain, while I’m not overly happy about it, is a far less evil choice than is Obama.

It really is that simple.

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
I agree Bithead. Claiming that both Candidates are socialist and therefore it does not matter who wins is ridiculous; the difference between Obama and McCain is the difference between a depression, of a magnitude of FDR’s or Carters, and a minor recession, such as the ones experienced with Reagan.
 
Written By: Samra
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We need to hang this around the moderates necks like a flaming tire after McCain loses this election. While you can be assured they’ll try to blame this on the Palin part of the ticket, we have to hammer them with hard facts:

1. McCain was 7-10% down in the polls before Palin.
2. Palin not only pushed the polls ahead for the ticket, but brought in a surge of hard core cash which is more convincing than any poll and its methodology.
3. McCain stopped hitting, hid Palin’s conservative narrative and kept on talking "reach across the aisle", and plummeted back down in the polls.
4. Palin was brought out again and allowed to talk and hit the leftists back and pushed the numbers up again.
5. McCain slumbered through a debate and brought out the moderate-reaching-left boondoggle of the buy-down of all the irresponsible homeowners loans, paid for by the responsible taxpayers.

See John sink. Sink, John. Sink.

As long as Republicans behave like Carter Democrats, they will lose.
 
Written By: redherkey
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The difference with McCain is at least the hope of gridlock—sweet, sweet gridlock!—so that his statist, Teddy Roosevelt-worshipping side is nullified. Plus as a Republican McCain will have access to some pro-freeedom advisers, who may eventually get through to him. With Obama and a Democratic Congress it’ll be full-speed ahead down the Road to Serfdom.Plus maybe McCain will die in office and we’ll have Palin taking over. She certainly seems to be the most pro-freedom major politician out there now, with enough sense to realize the Law of Supply and Demand is not something to repealed, and that economies don’t prosper by giving the State an even bigger slice of the GNP. Plus she’ll stand up to the Islamofascists, while President Obama would be playing "Jimmy Carter II: The Return."
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Written By: Bilwick
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I was falling in and out of consciousness last night during that exciting debate, and at one moment when I came to I thought ’Did I just hear the Republican presidential candidate offer to buy my mortgage? Nah, I must have been dreaming.’

The right wing blogoshpere has an undeniably blue hue to it this morning.

Rats and sinking ships?
Perhaps?

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Rats and sinking ships?
Rats? No - and an unkind comment at best there Pogue.

Sinking Ship? There I can agree with you.
 
Written By: SShiell
URL: http://
That’s the idiom. I didn’t make it up.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
URL: http://
The path to Big Government was set when McCain took the Primary. It a question of which one can progress furthest along that line.

Even Palin said some things that make me think she’s another proponent of Big Government. How she’s got the title of Conservative, I just don’t see it yet.
 
Written By: jpm100
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The difference with McCain is at least the hope of gridlock—sweet, sweet gridlock!—so that his statist, Teddy Roosevelt-worshipping side is nullified
Mr. Big Government Reach across the Isle is suppose to create gridlock?

I think you’re missing the picture here. McCain will be in agreement with Democrats often. Under that dynamic McCain, a republican by name, can take the blame & exhonerate RINOs and Moderate Democrats that that would have otherwise opposed an unpopular measure.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Feh. Let Obama take it. Lessons need to be learned (not just by the GOP, but by Americans in general)

And if they won’t learn, at least they’ll suffer.

And it won’t be our fault.
 
Written By: shark
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Reading these posts confirms what I thought last night when McCain said what he said about Soci*l Security. The gig’s up.

And, jpm100, you beat me to the punch. There would be no conservative/liberal gridlock with the Secret Service guarding a POTUS "Duke".

Still, though — probably be better than "Chameleon".
 
Written By: Arcs
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The biggest issue in this election is foreign policy, aka Iran and nukes. With Iraq being stabilized and on the path to victory, the media has cover not to report on the war etc.

Don’t be fooled by this economic meltdown nonsense being pushed by the Dems and their media allies. Yeah, it’s a tough economic time. What of it? When are things easy?

So anyone wanna take a bet on how many seconds pass after O! wins we see this story: "US Economy: Pretty Damn Okay!" The IMF is still expecting the world economy to grow 3% next year. It’s not armageddon!

>>>The U.S. will expand 0.1 percent in 2009, after growth of 1.6 percent this year, the IMF said in a draft of its World Economic Outlook scheduled for release tomorrow and also obtained by Bloomberg. In the WEO released in April, the IMF said the U.S. economy would grow 0.5 percent this year and 0.6 percent in 2009.

The global economy will expand 3 percent next year, lower than the IMF’s forecast in April of 3.7 percent and down from 3.9 percent this year, according to the latest WEO. In April, the IMF predicted a 25 percent chance of worldwide growth at or below 3 percent, which it said was ``equivalent to a global recession.<<
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&refer=economy&sid=aOB6Fs3Zk5I0

There is a huge chasm separating Mac and O!
 
Written By: Come on, Please
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If a candidate were genuinely pro-freedom (as evinced by his voting record and past positions, not just be current campaign rhetoric)—in other words, if he looked likely to protect me from the Bad Guys, take only as much money from me that he needed to do that, and otherwise pretty much leave me alone—I’d vote for him if he had the sign for Boron after his name.

Of course, the likelihood that such a candidate would have "(D)" after his name is almost nil.
 
Written By: Bilwick
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And if they won’t learn, at least they’ll suffer. - shark
I’m more interested in how to reduce our suffering, party politics be damned.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
"McCain will be in agreement with Democrats often."

As long as they keep stroking his ego, he will continue to be Mr. Maverick, the great unifier and compromiser. Compromise, incidentally, has several definitions.
 
Written By: timactual
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McCain’s plan to have the government buying up mortgages sounds OK in principle. I doubt the details of its hypothetical implementation would end up being to my liking. And even a socialist like me wonders if we really want the federal government taking over the mortgage banking business.
 
Written By: Retief
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Feh. Let Obama take it. Lessons need to be learned (not just by the GOP, but by Americans in general)

And if they won’t learn, at least they’ll suffer.

And it won’t be our fault.


EXCELLENT attitude....Way to think. I hope America hurts...you want to follow that up with "They’ll miss me when I’m gone." I’m certain.

So I ought to support a governing philosophy that wishes pain and suffering on its fellow citizens? WOW, you need to get on over to DU or Kos, they’re constantly hoping for disaster to strike Amerikkka to wake the Sheeple from their Rethuglican Stupor. I can not tell you the electoral appeal of an ideology built upon wishing for bad things to happen. Words fail me….you have left the Land of Reagan and Optimism for the Land of Drear and Doom. My advice go watch some Frank Capra movies, try some Prozac and get your head out of your fourth point of contact, because that sort of attitude gets you NOTHING.

And after, talking about the big, let’s talk about the personal…so as “They” are suffering, you won’t be? Please, let us know your investments and industry, so that we too, may ride out a recession, of some magnitude, without suffering. As it occurred to you that "They" is YOU, too, Shark…if they are suffering you will be too? Or doses your business have no clients, does your retirement fund invest only in gold and strippers, things that never depreciate? What will be YOUR secret for avoiding the Righteous Suffer of “They”? Have you smeared the Blood of Lamb on the lintel posts of your dwelling, to mark your house as one of the Elect, and that the Angel of Economic Despair ought to pass you by?

They suffering means less money in my IRA. They suffering means fewer pay raises for me. They suffering means fewer job opportunities outside my current firm and therefore less mobility and more requirement to stay with my current clueless managers. “Their” suffering impacts me, I guess I’m not lucky enough to be in your boat, where their sufferings are meaningless to me.

And that ignores the whole Self-Righteous Anger portion of your discussion. THEY deserve it…really do they? They who are only 30% of the voters, about 12% of the populace deserve it, so the other 88% deserve it too? Odd, and so now you are comfortable with punishing 88% for the “supposed” sin of voting Obama? Words fail me….

Hie yourself off to Kos-Land, you’ll fit in fine there. Angry Losers fulminating against their intellectual inferiors, the Sheeple who turned their backs on your brilliance.

 
Written By: Joe
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McCain’s plan to have the government buying up mortgages sounds OK in principle. I doubt the details of its hypothetical implementation would end up being to my liking. And even a socialist like me wonders if we really want the federal government taking over the mortgage banking business.
When are people going to realize anybody’s plan to hand out government money for anything is going to cost YOU money.
The government produces no product, it has no inventory, it takes money from you, and then uses it for various things. Sometimes it plays games and gives you back some of what it took to make you feel temporarily better while it has Luigi and Quido from the IRS family prepare to come round next year to collect on the ’loan’ you didn’t realize was just a temporary loan.

You’re worried about McCain’s plan(s - any one where he hands out money), do I infer you’re not worried about "that ones" ’tax break for the middle class’, or his revenue neutral health care plan for everyone?

Get a grip, these guys will tell you their straw only takes liquid out of someone else’s side of the big drink and never out of yours.
It’s all bullsh!t, no matter who is selling to you.
There is NO such thing as ’free’ government money, it’s that simple, and always will be.
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
When are people going to realize anybody’s plan to hand out government money for anything is going to cost YOU money.
When will anyone realize that these hand-outs include Bush’s "tax cuts"?
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
When will anyone realize that these hand-outs include Bush’s "tax cuts"?
Absolutely. Because we all know that allowing citizens to keep more of their own money is exactly equivalent to a government handout.

After all, it’s really the government’s money, isn’t it? How nice that they allow us to keep any of it at all.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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EXCELLENT attitude....Way to think. I hope America hurts...you want to follow that up with "They’ll miss me when I’m gone." I’m certain.
No, I don’t "hope" America hurts. But if they decide to elect this guy, they will deserve to hurt.

And they will hurt.

If schadenfreude is all some of will have for the next few years, so be it
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
No, I don’t "hope" America hurts. But if they decide to elect this guy, they will deserve to hurt.
Well if you can show how by some miracle that only the "deserving" are punished and the innocent are spared, feel free to elaborate.
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
Of course not....the deserving and undeserving alike will suffer.

And it’s going to s*ck. But that’s where we’re a month away from heading.

Get used to it
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
I’m saying it everywhere I go and I don’t know if I’ve told you people yet, but you’ll live through it if I have:

You have been voting for the lesser of two evils for so long that evil is all that’s left, now.

During the finale of The Ozark Long March, I used to say, "Let the ruination begin."

Well, guess what, kids.

You should have faced it all, a long time ago.

You’re going to pay the price of evasion, plus interest.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Yeah well, I know some don’t care much for GW, aka George Washington, but he knew exactly what had to be done in this situation. Too bad no one has the balls George Washington had, now!
 
Written By: Brown
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So far as that goes, my touchstone is Ethan Allen.

He swore that Vermont would never ratify the constitution as long as he lived, and that’s exactly how it played.

If he were here today, he would roll cannon right up Pennsylvania Avenue and start shooting huge bloody holes in the Capitol dome.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Fu**in A right!
 
Written By: Brown
URL: http://
McQ,
He was asked whether health care is a "right, privilege or responsibility" and he rightly calls it a responsibility.
Uh, whose responsibility? McCain obviously thinks your mortgage is government’s responsibility, so what makes you think he doesn’t feel exactly the same about health care? If he thought health care was a personal responsibility wouldn’t he be for the abolition of medicare and medicaid? He isn’t.

And while I’m not 100% sure I can decipher his health care proposal I think his plan to give a $5000 tax credit to "every American family" clearly means that the $5,000 will be given even to those families that pay no taxes in the first place. Am I wrong?


Beck,
You should have faced it all, a long time ago.

You’re going to pay the price of evasion, plus interest.
But aren’t you also going to pay the price for that evasion, regardless of whether you faced it all long ago? It doesn’t seem that your relative enlightenment has protected you.
 
Written By: John T. Kennedy
URL: http://no-treason.com
Beck,
So far as that goes, my touchstone is Ethan Allen.

He swore that Vermont would never ratify the constitution as long as he lived, and that’s exactly how it played.

If he were here today, he would roll cannon right up Pennsylvania Avenue and start shooting huge bloody holes in the Capitol dome.
But 1) you’re alive today and 2) the Constitution has been ratified and 3) you’re still breathing and 4) you’re not shooting huge bloody holes in the Capital dome.

So how does this "touchstone" thing work?

Does it just mean you get a thrill from talking about someone else doing it?
 
Written By: John T. Kennedy
URL: http://no-treason.com
bithead,
Such was the driver, for example of my choice to support W for POTUS.
He’s at best a centrist, as I have been saying forever... but his is a far less evil choice than Kerry or Gore.
And the result is that most of the evil Bush did is being attributed to free markets, with the help of John McCain. Bush and McCain are destroying your moral capital.

Conservatives did their cause a lot more good resisting Clinton than they did defending Bush. You work a lot harder to keep your opponent in check then to keep your own candidate honest. You’ll do better to resist Obama than to defend McCain.
 
Written By: John T. Kennedy
URL: http://no-treason.com
"U.S. Considers Taking Ownership Stake in Banks"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,434844,00.html

How long before all the geniuses figure out this is a coup d’état?

Timing is everything.
 
Written By: Brown
URL: http://
Kennedy: you know the drill. Go fu*k yourself.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Beck: How is your bit about "shooting huge bloody holes in the Capitol dome" anything more than patriotic porn?

Else why aren’t you shooting up the Capitol like your touchstone would?

You must find it exciting to say such things.
 
Written By: John T. Kennedy
URL: http://no-treason.com
Interesting exchange.

Obviously for true believer anarchists nothing but ruination is the solution. I still think many of you are missing the fact that building an imperial style state, with an interventionist and militarist foreign policy makes massive domestic statism inevitable. You can’t separate out big military from big government, or wars like that fiasco in Iraq — a big government effort at social engineering a post-Ottoman culture — from big government at home. You want less statism — cut defense spending, and embrace a non-interventionist foreign policy.
http://scotterb.wordpress.com
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Kennedy: you know the drill. Go fu*k yourself.
ANOTHER, literate and Well-Reasoned riposte from Beck...And people wonder why Anarcho-Capitalism is not sweeping the nation.
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
Erb,

Why didn’t you cut defense spending?
 
Written By: John T. Kennedy
URL: http://no-treason.com
"embrace a non-interventionist foreign policy."

Indeed, because everyone knows that GM has a car that runs on water. That’s right, you little minds, pure H20. Why does GM keep it secret and hidden in their Zionist base? Perhaps it’s because they are racist.

Down with capitalism!!! End corporations! Free the water car!!! Vote OBAMA!
 
Written By: Erbfan
URL: http://
You have been voting for the lesser of two evils for so long that evil is all that’s left, now.

During the finale of The Ozark Long March, I used to say, "Let the ruination begin."
No, we have NOT been voting for the lesser of two evils, as your reference to Clinton proves. That, Billy has been EXACTLY my point for as long as I’ve been online, from the GT and Fido days forward.
And the result is that most of the evil Bush did is being attributed to free markets, with the help of John McCain. Bush and McCain are destroying your moral capital.
Stable Carpet, Kennedy.
Period, full stop.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Wow....that I sounded even remotely like Beck there is one heckuva reality-check slap across the face.

I have to repudiate those remarks I made now.
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
Our only hope with an Obama/Pelosi/Reid government is that the over-reach their "mandate" and p!ss off every sound thinking moderate Democrat enough that they quit the Democratic party, leaving it the liberal/leftist/progressive wing of politics.

What happens then is anyone’s guess. Perhaps, the "blue dogs" and Reagan democrats caucus with the Republicans giving them a majority in one house or the other.

I still think a random lottery for national office wouldn’t be any worse then what we currently have.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
I still think a random lottery for national office wouldn’t be any worse then what we currently have.
(Sigh)
Well, look... here’s the problem;

Obama being on the Democrat ticket and leading in the race and it’s attendant (totally negative) consequences all comes back to that lack of an educational process I’ve been talking about for years, now...

IE; Teaching the importance of not putting someone like that in office.

And by the way, let me make this very very clear; It is Clinton, Obama and their like, that are directly responsible for the situation we’re in just now.

To the degree you can point to such as Bush and McCain, as sharing that responsibility, I suggest to you that the election of these centrists, also, are the direct result of such nonsense as got Clinton in power. The whole situation has been pushed left because we’ve not stepped up to educate, and keep the vision of the founders going. Is there anyone who doesn’t understand that the election of socialists such as Bill Clinton and Barry O are the result of a decades long educational process? What have we offered to counter it? Not enough.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
John, I’d cut defense spending if given a chance (it’s used more for offense these days anyway). I’d cut all spending. I’d cut federal taxes. I’d move power away from the center towards the local and regional.

Look at history: any time you have a major military power intervening world wide, you have the emergence of a strong, centralized state which threatens freedoms (to be sure, you can have such a state without a big military, but you can’t have a big military and an interventionist foreign policy without such a state).
http://scotterb.wordpress.com
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Joe:
"ANOTHER, literate and Well-Reasoned riposte from Beck."
Every rational person with adult life experience knows of someone with whom they will never exchange another civil word, and for good reason.

You don’t know what you’ve got your nose into. You should stay out of it.
"..And people wonder why Anarcho-Capitalism is not sweeping the nation."
Don’t look now, sonny, but you just stood up for one.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Every rational person with adult life experience knows of someone with whom they will never exchange another civil word, and for good reason.

You don’t know what you’ve got your nose into. You should stay out of it.
I know but still I exchange words with YOU, eh Billy.....
Don’t look now, sonny, but you just stood up for one.
That was a bit oblique...but if you mean I said bad things about YOU, well that has nothing to do with who was on the other side, heck I’d insult YOU if you were arguing with Erb. So it’s less about who I may have, indeirectly, spoken FOR, and more about to whom I was speaking.

And as someone else was told you, unless you are drawing a well-earned SSI cheque I don’t think you can be calling me "Sonny"...Dude.
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
Billy Hollis, Every penny the government spends is a penny that has to be raised in taxes. And if it isn’t raised now then it is a penny plus interest that has to be raised in taxes. Ain’t no such thing as a tax cut without a spending cut. So, has Bush cut spending? Your money has already been spent, Bush just left the job of collecting it for somebody else.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
Of course, what you’re forgetting is that RATE cuts tend to RAISE income to the federal coffers, by increasing the growth of the economy. Exactly what’s needed just now, I’d say.

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Boris Erb:
John, I’d cut defense spending if given a chance (it’s used more for offense these days anyway).
You don’t know what you’re talking about, Boris. But that’s "dog bites man," not news.
I’d cut all spending. I’d cut federal taxes. I’d move power away from the center towards the local and regional.
Yes, Boris, and eventually you’ll live on a very earthy commune and, after that, you can throw your children directly into the cannibal pot, without any middle-men.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
Kennedy:
He was asked whether health care is a "right, privilege or responsibility" and he rightly calls it a responsibility.
Uh, whose responsibility? McCain obviously thinks your mortgage is government’s responsibility, so what makes you think he doesn’t feel exactly the same about health care? If he thought health care was a personal responsibility wouldn’t he be for the abolition of medicare and medicaid? He isn’t.
McCain seemed to put government first in line among responsible parties when he answered Brokaw’s question:
MR. BROKAW: Quick discussion: Is health care in America a privilege, a right, or a responsibility? Senator McCain.

SEN. MCCAIN: I think it’s a responsibility in this respect, in that we should have available and affordable health care to every American citizen, to every family member.
What other "we" might provide health care for "every American citizen"? He goes on to say that government mandates make him "a little nervous," but
[I]t is certainly my responsibility. It is certainly small- business people and others. And they understand that responsibility. American citizens understand that. Employers understand that.
Small business people? Employers? He clearly did not suggest that the individual has the sole — or even foremost — responsibility for his own care.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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Yes, Boris, and eventually you’ll live on a very earthy commune and, after that, you can throw your children directly into the cannibal pot, without any middle-men.
Given the clown Erb is, ya think his kids will... well, you know... taste funny?

 
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