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Why would anyone want to be the next president?
Posted by: McQ on Monday, October 13, 2008

As I mentioned in a post yesterday, despite the fact that the economic crisis breaks on the side of the Democrats, I'm not sure, in the long run, that's an advantage. David Broder is looking down the road as well and sees pretty much the same thing. He feels that if Obama does win (and, frankly, the same would be true if McCain won) he may have the shortest honeymoon in the history of the presidency:
But in a few weeks, the winner of the election will take custody of the problem, and his name and reputation — not Bush's — will be on the line.

The fallout from this financial collapse will be felt in so many ways one can hardly begin to describe them. Old allies such as Britain, France and Germany that have been dragged into this morass by the United States will think twice about following our lead on anything.

Adversaries such as Iran and Russia may be tempted to test us, knowing that our resources are depleted and our people distracted. And here at home, political dilemmas will crowd the scene.

If, as seems likely, the economic crisis swells the ranks of Democrats in the House and Senate, the new president will face an early test: Repair the battered financial system or move ahead on the Democrats' domestic agenda.

The numbers in the first budget Obama would have to prepare will look scary indeed. The deficit could approach an unimaginable trillion dollars. His economic advisers would undoubtedly counsel him that he must, at all costs, signal to the world that he will impose the kind of discipline needed to prevent runaway inflation and a run on the dollar.

But the larger the Democratic majorities, the greater the pressure will be to deliver promptly on the promises Obama has made in the campaign.
That first paragraph is what many on the left don't seem to understand. After so many years of blaming everything on Bush, they don't seem to realize that an Obama victory changes that forever. It will change from being a Bush/Republican problem to a Obama/Democrat problem. The party that was so good at sniping for 8 years will suddenly be in the "put up or shut up" position of fixing the mess.

Caught between the promises of a vast and costly domestic agenda favored by Democrats and Obama and the financial crisis which can't be ignored, some very hard choices are going to have to be made and, yes, real leadership displayed.

Trillion dollar deficits? Or deep and lasting spending cuts? The abandonment of the trillion dollar domestic agenda, or the plunge into even more deficit spending, the suspension of PAYGO and indulgence in the political pork necessary to hopefully ensure reelection?

Would a President Obama have the courage to say, when speaking of existing and planned programs, "we can't afford that right now", or would he use of smoke and mirrors to pursue his agenda on even a reduced level because of the perceived political necessity (benefit?) of doing so?

And after promising tax cuts for 95% of Americans, given the financial situation, will he actually be able to keep that pledge? Or will we hear a Clintonesqe disavowal claiming the situation has changed and the promise can't be kept (and in fact, taxes must be raised)?

Last but not least, given the investment by the voters in his promises of "hope" and "change" how will he deliver on those promises under the conditions which will prevail?

And that all assumes a very calm and tranquil world, which is extremely unlikely as well. In fact, what is more likely is rogue and upstart nations will do things to test the mettle of a new and inexperienced president. Tis the way of the world.

To begin with, I've always thought that anyone who actually sought this job should have their heads examined. In the case of this particular election, I'm not so sure the person who comes out on top will actually end up being "the winner".
 
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McQ - That first paragraph is what many on the left don’t seem to understand. After so many years of blaming everything on Bush, they don’t seem to realize that an Obama victory changes that forever. It will change from being a Bush/Republican problem to a Obama/Democrat problem. The party that was so good at sniping for 8 years will suddenly be in the "put up or shut up" position of fixing the mess.

With all due respect, I think that this is naive. The dems will continue to blame Bush for years. He is the Mr. Jones in their Animal Farm universe, their Goldstein. As you note yourself:

McQ - And after promising tax cuts for 95% of Americans, given the financial situation, will he actually be able to keep that pledge? Or will we hear a Clintonesqe disavowal claiming the situation has changed and the promise can’t be kept (and in fact, taxes must be raised)?

"Bush screwed things up so badly - worse than I ever could have imagined - that I have no choice but to raise taxes."

There’s NOTHING that can’t be blamed on Bush for the foreseeable future.

—- Iraq - Bush’s lies and mismanagement got us into an unwinnable situation. Anything bad that happens there is his fault.

—- Europe - Bush’s unilateral, cowboy diplomacy has poisoned our relations so badly that it will take even a leader with The Annointed One’s incredible healing skills years to repair them.

—- Iran - Bush’s reckless and arrogant foreign policy have driven Iran into a corner and made them our implacable enemy. If (when) they develop nukes, it will be because Bush did nothing to stop them.

—- Economy - Bush’s reckless management of the economy will continue to cause problems and suffering for decades.

—- Energy - Bush’s policies that favored Big Oil will cause high energy prices and global warming for the foreseeable future.

Etc, etc. In fact, I see lots of hearings about Bush in the months and years to come. Henry Waxman and John Conyers will have a field day dragging every Bush administration official they can find before their committees on a witch hunt for "illegal" or "unethical" acts. With a growing list of charges - whether substantiated or not - against Bush and Co, it will be easy to keep the blame for any troubles centered solely on him.

All this relies on a complicit media, and I think we know that they are willing to do just about anything to further the dems’ agenda. Consider how much cover they’ve provided to The Annointed One and the dem Congress. Ayers? Who’s he? Oh, that guy Obama (PBUH) bumped into at the local Starbucks? Nothing to see there. Obama barely knows him. He said so himself. Subprime mortgages? Why, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are heroes for working tirelessly to save our economy from the effects of Bush’s reckless deregulation of Wall Street! They had nothing to do with Freddie and Fanny.

Anyway, do you really think that the dems are concerned about a bad economy? News flash: a bad economy is GOOD for them. It gives them perfect cover to expand the nanny state, getting an ever-increasing number of Americans dependent on the government for their means of living. The dems will be pushing on THEIR agenda: Fairness Doctrine, elimination of the Second Amendment, speech codes, nationalized industries, forced union membership, etc. To hell with unemployment figures or the GDP or the debt! Look at the new "stimulus package" they are proposing: it’s simply more welfare.

Even if the American people are dissatisfied with what the dems do over the next four to eight years (God save us), what can we do? The dems have figured out how to steal national elections: ACORN will move in, stuff the ballot boxes, and dems will win every time. Do you think that a dem Congress or an Obama DOJ will investigate claims of ACORN voting fraud? I’d be more worried that any criticism of Obama or the dems will start to be "investigated" as "hate speech". Already seeing some rumblings of that: see Michelle Malkin’s post about a threatened boycott of a hotel in Maryland for merely having a McCain-Palin sign on its marquee.

I see a bleak, bleak future, but NOT for the dems.
 
Written By: docjim505
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With all due respect, I think that this is naive. The dems will continue to blame Bush for years.
Yeah, that worked real well when Reps tried to blame everything on Clinton, didn’t it?

Look, when you get the big seat, you get the praise or the criticism regardless of whether you deserve it or not. Obama has made the promises, not Bush. Consequently Obama is going to be held responsible for fulfilling them, not Bush.

The return of the "misery index" will ensure that.
 
Written By: McQ
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Docjim505’s rebuttal in two words:


"Herbert Hoover"
 
Written By: Ernest Brown
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McQ,

With respect, it is only now, some 75 years after the fact, that Roosevelt’s contribution to making the Great Depression even greater has gone mainstream.
 
Written By: Ernest Brown
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Agreed 100% with above.

I am becoming convinced that the rank and file Dems don’t actually care about fixing our real problems or fighting our enemies (or if they do, they only care when a D is in power, but only so far as it keeps an R out of power next election)

And whatever disillusion Obama creates, ACORN will make up for.
With all due respect, I think that this is naive. The dems will continue to blame Bush for years.
Yeah, that worked real well when Reps tried to blame everything on Clinton, didn’t it?
Now try it with media cover. Think you’ll find a different story this time.
Look, when you get the big seat, you get the praise or the criticism regardless of whether you deserve it or not. Obama has made the promises, not Bush. Consequently Obama is going to be held responsible for fulfilling them, not Bush.
Yeah, the way the Dems in congress are being held responsible for failing to enact any of their promises, such as ending the war or defeating various domestic security measures, etc etc.
The return of the "misery index" will ensure that.
And who’s gonna publish it?

But even if it does get out there, I have one word for you:

RACISM.

Daring to say anything against the one will be racist. Have you not seen it happening right now for goodness sake?
 
Written By: shark
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With respect, it is only now, some 75 years after the fact, that Roosevelt’s contribution to making the Great Depression even greater has gone mainstream.
A) first this has to rival the Great Depression and I don’t think it will.

B) the culture has changed dramatically since that time. The era of instant gratification is upon us. The public has a very short memory. When this doesn’t turn around in a relatively short time, they’re going to blame those in office.

Conclusion: Bush has a much shorter half-life than did Herbert Hoover. He’s good for 2 years at most. After that, this is Obama’s baby. And this isn’t going away in 4 years.
 
Written By: McQ
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And who’s gonna publish it?
Who has to publish it when you’re living it?
 
Written By: McQ
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Who has to publish it when you’re living it?
Really? The past few years, when the economy was going well, a large section (majority I believe) of people thought the economy was the worst "since Herbert Hoover"

 
Written By: shark
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The past few years, when the economy was going well, a large section (majority I believe) of people thought the economy was the worst "since Herbert Hoover"
Reality’s a b*tch, isn’t it? When it is worse than now, what will they compare it too?

 
Written By: McQ
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The past few years, when the economy was going well, a large section (majority I believe) of people thought the economy was the worst "since Herbert Hoover"
Reality’s a b*tch, isn’t it? When it is worse than now, what will they compare it too?
LOL

I dunno, but I’m sure they’ll find something catchy.
 
Written By: shark
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Bush is good as a scape goat for at least the 1st 2 years of the administration.

I’m still hearing about how Bush in 1 year managed to destory the ’surplus’ left to ’us’ by Bill Clinton.

Bush doesn’t even have a funny money surplus to fall back on.
Bush’s will be Obama’s "Jews". To blame for everything.
 
Written By: looker
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Besides, you’re assuming that the Democrats view this as a bad thing. Quite the contrary, they’ll use fear to ram through any number of totalitarian things, starting, of course, with the Fascist Doctrine (I refuse to be Orwellian and use "fairness") to destroy dissent.
 
Written By: Ernest Brown
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McQ,

I hope you’re right. God, I hope you are. But I don’t think so. As I hinted in my first post, I am reminded of George Orwell’s work:
The phrase ’our new, happy life’ recurred several times. It had been a favourite of late with the Ministry of Plenty... It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it. Parsons swallowed it easily, with the stupidity of an animal. The eyeless creature at the other table swallowed it fanatically, passionately, with a furious desire to track down, denounce, and vaporize anyone who should suggest that last week the ration had been thirty grammes. Syme, too-in some more complex way, involving doublethink, Syme swallowed it. Was he, then, alone in the possession of a memory?

The fabulous statistics continued to pour out of the telescreen. As compared with last year there was more food, more clothes, more houses, more furniture, more cooking-pots, more fuel, more ships, more helicopters, more books, more babies — more of everything except disease, crime, and insanity. Year by year and minute by minute, everybody and everything was whizzing rapidly upwards. As Syme had done earlier Winston had taken up his spoon and was dabbling in the pale-coloured gravy that dribbled across the table, drawing a long streak of it out into a pattern. He meditated resentfully on the physical texture of life. Had it always been like this?


George Orwell
1984
Let’s suppose that we’re all living in the kind of misery that the country experienced during the Great Depression and, to a lesser extent, the malaise of the ’70s and early ’80s. With sham elections, a thugocracy, and a partisan media, what can be done? Talk radio will be shut down by the Fairness Doctrine, and there’s no reason to think that it will take long for the left to get around to rightwing blogs like this one. How long do you think Fox News will last, or any media outlet that doesn’t toe the party line? You seem to think that the people will somehow rise up and throw out the dems because they blame them for whatever malaise we may experience in the next several years. I am reminded of Winston’s belief - mocked by O’Brien - that the proles would destroy The Party in Oceania.
All the beliefs, habits, tastes, emotions, mental attitudes that characterize our time are really designed to sustain the mystique of the Party and prevent the true nature of present-day society from being perceived. Physical rebellion, or any preliminary move towards rebellion, is at present not possible. From the proletarians nothing is to be feared. Left to themselves, they will continue from generation to generation and from century to century, working, breeding, and dying, not only without any impulse to rebel, but without the power of grasping that the world could be other than it is. They could only become dangerous if the advance of industrial technique made it necessary to educate them more highly; but, since military and commercial rivalry are no longer important, the level of popular education is actually declining. What opinions the masses hold, or do not hold, is looked on as a matter of indifference. They can be granted intellectual liberty because they have no intellect.
Our public "education" system is taking good care to ensure that more and more Americans reach this low standard.

Again, I hope that you are right. However, I fear that the nexus of centralized power in Washington, thuggish political techniques, a complicit media, and an apathetic / ignorant populace will ensure that the United States becomes a social democratic "republic" in all but name within our lifetimes. I think it likely that George Bush will be the last elected president.
 
Written By: docjim505
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docjim505

Yeah we’re doomed. Sack up dude/dudette...You remeber 1992, right?
 
Written By: Joe
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Joe,

Yeah, I remember 1992. I remember how a poor economy, a lackluster campaign from the GOP candidate, and a partisan media all helped boost an allegedly centrist democrat into the Oval Office. He almost immediately started to socialize our health care system and gut our national defense (the "peace dividend"). He laid the foundation for the present economic crisis by expanding the CRA and Freddie / Fanny’s role in mortgage lending. His idea of fighting terrorism was to prosecute terrorists after they’d committed atrocities on our own soil.

The only thing that stopped him was talk radio and a vibrant, resurgent Republican Congress. That was then. This is now:

1. ACORN engaged in nationwide vote fraud for the benefit of the democrat (spit) party

2. Revival of the Fairness Doctrine to silence the most vocal media criticism of the democrats (spit)

3. A thoroughly demoralized GOP that seems intent, under the leadership of losers like John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and Chuck Hagel, into the democrat-lite party (We believe in tax and spend, too, just not so much).

I think that the dems (spit) remember 1992, too. And I don’t think they’ll make the same mistakes again.
 
Written By: docjim505
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The other thing to consider is that the media is dying. That’s not just "right-wing wish fulfillment fantasy", that’s cold hard economic fact. Nor do I see any reason that covering for the Obama administration is going to suddenly become profitable. And I mean "profitable" literally, as in, making money to pay the rent.

It may not clear in time for the election, but Obama shouldn’t count on four years of media cover, let alone eight. Getting Obama elected may be their swan song.

The short attention span works against everyone. The Ds better hope that they can fix things fast, because they won’t have four years to turn it around.
 
Written By: Jeremy Bowers
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If the rumors are true, ACORN may be facing a RICO charge.

Now THAT would be sweet....and a possible game changer.

 
Written By: shark
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Yeah, that worked real well when Reps tried to blame everything on Clinton, didn’t it?
Yeah, well, who owns the media. I think that will set who owns the truth in these things.

What I want to know id why isn’t Soros dead already? Not that I am asking for such an occurrence. No more than the usual avant garde liberal film director does about the president.
 
Written By: capt joe
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The only thing that stopped him was talk radio and a vibrant, resurgent Republican Congress. That was then. This is now:
Yeah I remember Speaker Gingrich, on Clinton’s Inauguration discussing the differences between the GOP majority and the POTUS......
1. ACORN engaged in nationwide vote fraud for the benefit of the democrat (spit) party
This is different how?
2. Revival of the Fairness Doctrine to silence the most vocal media criticism of the democrats (spit)
Really this has been implemented, already? When did it occur? I must have missed it
3. A thoroughly demoralized GOP that seems intent, under the leadership of losers like John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and Chuck Hagel, into the democrat-lite party (We believe in tax and spend, too, just not so much).
Unlike in 1992, when the nation saw a MOTIVATED GOP...how I remember the enthusiasm that filled the air of the Republican circles I traveled.

I think that the dems (spit) remember 1992, too. And I don’t think they’ll make the same mistakes again.


Yes that’s why they are for socialized medicine, higher taxes, comparable worth and the like...because there is a NEW generation of Democratic leader in Congress, ones who have put behind them the Shibboleth’s of the 1970’s Democratic Party...yeah right.

Again, Sack Up Dude/Dudette yours is a mixture of future disaster and poor memory.
 
Written By: Joe
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Not saying this isn’t a economic crisis, but let’s not forget the absolute BS the media is shoveling our way. And the govt’s vested interest in pumping up the crisis so they can look like they’re actually doing something. (And I say this as someone who’s heavily invested in the stock market)

If O! is elected, magically, bright spots will appear all over the economy— why, those falling housing prices are a boon to the working class. Stocks low? Awesome. Good time to buy! Mortgage too hard to come by? Why, just look how generous Americans are paying higher taxes to support Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae ver. 2.0. Unemployment rate is 6.3%? But gosh, that means 93.7% of Americans are working. Etc.

If McCain/Palin get in, well, you know.... 1929, tall-buildings, Herbert Hoover, executives selling apple cores on Main Street.

You’ll also start seeing a lot more Iraq stories if O! gets elected— gosh, what a turnaround here in Baghdad! Hey, did you hear, Saddam’s gone and the people are free to have gay marriages? Oh, wow, Detroit has a higher murder rate than the Holy Slum of Najaf! Blah blah blah.

 
Written By: Come on, Please
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DocJim:

If McCain/Palin win, it’s be Bush/Rove/Old Guy/Hot Airhead 24/7 in the media. McCain won’t be able to sneeze without Bush pulling the pollen strings.

If O! (God help us all) wins, Bush will be forgotten by the media. The Bush years will be treated with the same sort of aloof curiosity that kids look upon their parents’ childhood pastimes. It’ll be as if Time reset and 2009 is really year 0! and all the bad things about the US will magically be gone.

If you don’t believe me, two words: John Ashcroft! Remember how John Ashcroft single handled changed law enforcement forever favoring the enforcers and throwing out civil rights?! Remember his Nazi Raids against scantily clad Justice Dept. statues?! Remember how Ashcroft held pre-work prayer sessions sending a chill down America’s collective spine? Yeah, whatever. Down the memory hole as soon as he stepped down. Guess all those Gestapo tactics just melted back into the Constitution or something.

And then of course, Ashcroft was turned into "not a bad guy" by the media when they found out he was opposing Bush/Gonzalez/Himmler on torture.
 
Written By: Come on, Please
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I tend to agree with docjim and shark. Obama will not get blamed, just as FDR did not get blamed for his repeated failures during the Great Depression. In fact each failure will bring calls for MORE government and bureaucracy to fix the last failure, and that will further entrench the dems in power. People will just be told to buck up, that prosperity is just around the corner. @Shark: If ACORN operatives are indicted under RICO, do you think a lefty judge will convict them?
 
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In fact each failure will bring calls for MORE government and bureaucracy to fix the last failure
Heh, that’s happening already, and Magic O ain’t in office yet.
It will only get better (that is, more fixing and mangling)once he’s in office because you don’t believe for a minute Congress is going to look at this last all time f-up of theirs and say - "oops! Our bad!" - do you?

No, there will need to be further refinement of the plan, further cash injected, further pork barrel bribes modifications to bills to make ’fix’ legislation more acceptable to hold outs.

 
Written By: looker
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Joe,

Are you trying to tell me that things under The Annointed One will be good? Or just that they won’t be an unmitigated disaster?

1. I’m quite aware that Gingrich wasn’t the speaker on Inauguration Day in ’93. But I’m also aware that, had the GOP not taken the Congress in the ’94 elections, Slick Willie would have had little or no brake on his (and his wife’s) schemes to socialize our medical system. As it was, he found that he had to work with an opposition Congress and then started "governing from the center". The Annointed One, if things go as they may well do, will have no such brake... unless you think Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid will do a damned thing other than enthusiastically aid him in implementing his policies.

2. Yeah, the GOP was energized and vibrant by the ’94 elections, led by Newt with his Contract with America. What have we got today? A crazy, doddering old man surrounded by a pack of RINO’s whose sole answer to the socialist proposals of the dems is, "Hey, not so much and not so fast!"

3. I don’t recall ever seeing massive vote fraud on the scale we’re seeing it today, and what makes it even worse is that it’s so obvious. The dems have been testing the waters and have found a great way to stuff ballot boxes on a national scale and have even gotten the taxpayers to foot part of the bill. If they get away with it and The Annointed One has a democrat (spit) majority, what do you think the odds are that there will be ANY investigations or reforms? And after that, what do you think the odds are that GOP members of Congress - or governors, Secretaries of State, even commissioners of elections - won’t be victim to similar vote fraud?

4. The dems are for exactly what they have been for since the late ’60s, which is exactly what you say: bigger government, higher taxes, more government power, less liberty. However, they learned that the American people don’t want those things, or at least not to the extent that the dems want. So, they rename them or give them more attractive packaging (see McQ’s post about Obama’s "tax cuts"). In other words, they are taking some measures to hide who and what they really are. But, just to make sure, they’ve taken some other pages from the totalitarian playbook. They’ve got their whipping boy (Bush) to serve as the Mr. Jones / Goldstein / Jews / Trotskyite boogeyman. They’ve got their Squealer / MiniTru / Goebbels / Pravda in the form of the MSM. They’ve got their dogs / Thought Police / brownshirts / Red Guards in the form of ACORN. They’re going to win this election no matter what it takes. After expending so much time and effort to win, do you think they’ll politely give the GOP (or anybody else) a fair shake in ’10 or ’12?

So, what’s your advice? "Sack up"? Pretend that all is sweetness and light and that the dems AREN’T doing these things?
 
Written By: docjim505
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First of all docjim505, you are in error of thinking that this is a run away freight train wreck of an economy. It is not, and in less than one year we will see dramatic improvements. You also equate disenchantment with the Republicans as faith in the Democrats. They are not the same.

The public, by the way, is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better educated, better informed, and more sophisticated in every way than the average voter in the 1930’s. You again make a mistake of seeing all of the much ballyhood hand wringing over our (relative) school grades decline as the norm, but it is not the norm. Then norm is that our schools are over all doing a better job than they were twenty years ago, although relative to other nations, not as good as they might be.
 
Written By: kyleN
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docjim505 : Dude/dudette I’m telling you to SACK UP...stop whining about the "End of the World" and prepare to fight this fight and the fight after it...you know,:
...we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender...
Not act like we’ve lost and that there is no tomorrow for there will be a Democratic Congress and a Fairness Doctrine...

Like Pelosi and Reid gave up after 2002, or 2004 oh yeah they didn’t did they? They kept on with their fight and didn’t whine like little kids...

Well here’s a sad thing to say, Stop Whining and act like Pelosi....

No I’m not saying Obama will be better than McCain or less awful than you imagine, only that 2008 isn’t the Last Year of Our Existence and Get a Grip...

Oi Vey if p*ssy-willow fellows like you had been around at Valley Forge, or the Defense of New York or at Antietam things would look a WHOLE lot different than they do today.

I mean no real disrespect but you come across as gloomy, defeated and whining...no one wins with that attitude. All you do is "manage the decline" and lose gracefully and take the right stand, even though you accomplish nothing, because you know you can’t win, so you really aren’t trying to win, just look and sound good.
 
Written By: Joe
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Oi Vey if p*ssy-willow fellows like you had been around at Valley Forge, or the Defense of New York or at Antietam things would look a WHOLE lot different than they do today.
Yeah, bad teeth and British accents :)
 
Written By: capt joe
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Wait, Antietam was a strategic victory since Lee had to withdraw and give up the offensive (though McClellan managed to turn what could have been the battle that ended the war into a phyrric victory).

I’d use Fredericksburg, if the North didn’t give up after that one they were never going to give up.
 
Written By: looker
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Ok Joe, lay out your plans for the ongoing resistance :)

 
Written By: shark
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Joe,

Careful with words like "fight" lest some lib (or The Annointed One’s DOJ) start thinking that you are one of those ultra-right-wing-militia types and throw you in prison for hate speech.

Fight how, exactly? I plan to vote this year. I’ve written letters to my senators to, among other things, protest the bail out (I don’t bother with my representative; I live in a racially gerrymandered district so there’s no point). What else do you suggest?

kyleN,

I disagree. I think that the general instincts of the American people are pretty good, but if they were that well educated and informed, neither The Annointed One nor McCain would ever have gotten their nominations.

I really, really hope that you are both right. I admit that I am a pessimist by nature, but I’ve watched the dems and I know what they are up to. I know my history and understand what a well-motivated group can do when it controls the media and has no scruples about the tactics it uses to crush dissent. Democracy only works when everybody agrees to more or less play by the rules. The dems have stopped doing that. Unless the rule of law can be reasserted, our democracy will degenerate into a contest of who is the best cheat... or worse.
 
Written By: docjim505
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Check out this post by Ace about fraudulent voting registration. 2100 out of 2100 voting registrations in Lake County, IN were found to be fraudulent. That’s what I mean about all sides agreeing to play by the rules.
 
Written By: docjim505
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McQ usually has pretty good instincts IMO, but I’ll have to agree with docjim here that an Obama presidency will not have a short honeymoon, but a long one. I see no reason to suppose that the media’s current in-the-tankness for Obama will change unless he pursues a land war in Asia.

Nor do I see the majority of Americans, assuming they vote for Obama, turning on him any time soon. If they’ve put up with all of Obama’s nonsense so far, they will continue to do so. If the economy goes even further south, they won’t blame Obama anymore than they are blaming him now.

It’s not a matter of "sacking up," but accurately assessing the battlefield ahead. As I understand him, that’s what docjim is saying.
 
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