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About those "preconditions"
Posted by: McQ on Monday, October 13, 2008

Apparently Barack Obama would be pleased as punch to hold talks with Iran without any preconditions (and yes his denial concerning this point is pure BS), Iran wouldn't:
Vice President for Media Affairs Mehdi Kalhor said on Saturday that Iran has set two preconditions for holding talks with the United States of America.

In an exclusive interview with IRNA, he said as long as US forces have not left the Middle East region and continues its support for the Zionist regime, talks between Iran and US is off the agenda.
So it's easy - want to talk with Iran? A) withdraw all US troops from the Middle East and B) drop all support for Israel.

Huh - even crackpot nations set preconditions before they'll meet with an enemy. I'm sure that comes as a surprise to some. Wonder if a certain neophyte might draw a couple of conclusions from this rather blatant example?
 
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Wonder if a certain neophyte might draw a couple of conclusions from this rather blatant example
Yeah, he’ll probably make both of these a priority of his administration.
 
Written By: shark
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We should bomb both Iran and Israel back to the stone-age. Let them run their own problems!
 
Written By: Carroll Lewis
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Again, the idiocy about having talks without "preconditions" is that tyrannical regimes like Iraq can insist upon those types of issues. To negotiate you must be willing and prepared to let the other side have something. Even from a position of absolute strength negotiations at least implies the survival of the weakest party.

What is Barrack Obama willing to give the Iranians? Appeasement begins when you give up something for nothing. Neville Chamberlain gave up Czechoslovakia to get "Peace in Our Times". What is Barrack Obama willing to negotiate away to get Iran to "recognize" Israel? What tangible benefits are we willing to give away to accept more promises from nations like North Korea and Iran?

Any authoritative negotiations with Iran must, as a precondition, recognize Israel’s right to exist. That issue must never be on the table otherwise you are going to be negotiation that "point".


 
Written By: Mark
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What is Barrack Obama willing to negotiate away to get Iran to "recognize" Israel?
Well Mark, let’s start with credibility. If he meets them without preconditions, he’s saying ’you are SO important, I’ll meet with you no matter what your stance on things like an independent nation just around the corner.’
 
Written By: meagain
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If he meets them without preconditions, he’s saying ’you are SO important, I’ll meet with you no matter what your stance on things like an independent nation just around the corner.’
The irony, of course, is they won’t meet with him without the preconditions listed being satisfied.

Or said another way, even they understand that you don’t meet without preconditions. And we think they’re batsh!t crazy anyway.
 
Written By: McQ
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Hilarious. Iran and the US are talking, contrary to the article. On several levels and about several issues. It’s a matter of public record. (I know you don’t keep up with that kind of stuff.)

That you rely on the ravings of the nutjob from Iran rather than empirical evidence for your "facts" says much more about you, McQ, than the true state of US/Iranian relations.

And to top it off, you have the temerity to imply Obama is a neophyte. Trust me, McQ, if it came to a contest of ideas that required each of you to marshall evidence to support your positions, Obama would wipe the floor with you. And you know that. Don’t you, McQ?

And that’s what’s really bothering you, isn’t it, McQ? That this guy with a funny name has wisdom and insight beyond your years. How sad.

 
Written By: mkultra
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And that’s what’s really bothering you, isn’t it, McQ? That this guy with a funny name has wisdom and insight beyond your years. How sad.
LOL!

Always a pleasure to see you stop by and beclown yourself, MK.

Till next time.
 
Written By: McQ
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"Iran and the US are talking, contrary to the article."

Whatever. During the debate Obama proved what an idiot he was by misunderstanding the difference between "preparation" and preconditions.

Again, to negotiate means that you need to give the other party in the negotiations something. If you allow them to come to the table without preconditions on their outrageous positions you will simply be negotiating these preposterous positions. There positons will be that they will stop calling for the destruction of Israel if you give them SOMETHING...something economic to help their flailing economy.


What else would you have to negotiate? THe Iranians, without preconditions, are going to put those ridiculous items on the table and ONLY those ridiculous items on the table. We would have to be willing to give them tangible value just to get them to move the agenda along.

That a presidential candidate would not understand this is very disconcerting. Anyone with Obama’s position on this issue is not fit to be President of the United States.
 
Written By: Mark
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Let’s not have unrealistic expectations about "the neophyte" or anyone else trying to negotiate with these dictatorial regimes. The Charisma Kid, Bill Clinton, and his adept diplomat Madeline Albright didn’t get very far, as I recall.
 
Written By: Mb
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Obama would wipe the floor with you
The only thing Obama is qualified to wipe is my floor although another more personal area came to mind which I will leave to the imagination.
 
Written By: capt joe
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So, what is the problem with Iran’s preconditions?

1. Remove US forces from the Middle East region. Obama has all but promised to leave the area, waving the white flag of surrender for all to see, proving the US is on the new path to enlightenment.

2. Discontinue US support for the Zionist regime. Do you think Obambi will hesitate one second in cutting Israel off at the knees? Let there be one incident with ____ (fill in the blank) and the Enlightened One’s Adminitration will shoot down support for Israel faster than you can say "The Shah of Iran" (Remember Carter?). The Messiah would not dare aggravate the support he enjoys form the far left by continuing support for the only true democracy in the Middle East.

I’ll make a wager - Obama will be sitting down at the table with Allonmydinnerjacket within 12 months of his inauguration, Iran’s preconditions having been met. Any takers?
 
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