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This pretty much says it all
Posted by: McQ on Friday, October 17, 2008

And the MSM doesn't even understand the irony:
One week ago, Joe Wurzelbacher was just another working man living in a modest house outside Toledo, Ohio, and thinking about how to buy the plumbing business where he works. But when he stopped Senator Barack Obama during a visit to his block last weekend to complain about taxes, he set himself on a path to becoming America’s newest media celebrity — and as such suddenly found himself facing celebrity-level scrutiny.
Yup, stop a presidential candidate who chose to come to your neighborhood and ask him a simple question and you end up getting an MSM proctological exam. Your taxes are checked, your license or lack thereof is checked, you name it, it's checked, researched and published.

However, if you're that particular presidential candidate?

Not so much.
 
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The article read like a DNC talking points memo.
 
Written By: Deerpark
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Get used to it.

The coming thugocracy is just embryonic now. Once it gets real legs, wooo look out
 
Written By: shark
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Get used to it.

Not without a fight.
 
Written By: Jim Treacher
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They talking points are hilarious.

They say he has no license but the law in that city does not require one for what he does (residential not commercial work)

They point to his tax liens but fail to also mention that Obama’s campaign treasurer (you the person that handles money) also has tax liens.

By the way, are there any stories on Franken’s tax evasion yet, hmmm?

Yep, the tanning bed media
. Too bad some guy picked at random dared (yes dared) question "The One". Obviously he must be destroyed. So those of you who wondered what an Obama presidency would be like. Consider that the gov, the media and his storm troopers will be after anyone who dares speak a contrary opinion.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Joe isn’t merely receiving this exam because he stopped Obama and asked him a question. Joe wouldn’t have made a blip on the radar if McCain hadn’t brought Joe to the national stage during the debate. The MSM’s intrusion isn’t justified because of that, but the McCain campaign must have known that it would happen.

McCain could have made a fictitious "Joe" with similar circumstances to make his point, but he didn’t. Why? Because they wanted to put a real face on it, they are counting on the media to bring up Joe and his circumstances to make a real effect, not just a random scenario.

So if Joe has any contempt for the MSM for turning over every rock in his life, he must hold the McCain campaign with similar contempt for bringing him up in the first place.

My guess is Joe is actually enjoying his fifteen minutes. He’s given more interviews than Sarah Palin. He gets the adulation - and sympathy - from his fellow Republicans, he gets to go on GMA and call Obama a soc!alist (and I know that there are a lot of you here that have wet dreams about going on a morning show and calling out Diane Sawyer).
I like Joe. I can relate to Joe. As a small business owner, I know exactly where Joe is coming from. Why am I made to suffer simply because I busted my ass and made a business for myself? I actually think Joe presents the conservative position better than McCain does.

I would think that you guys would be happy that Joe is getting the attention he is. I know the McCain campaign is. You and McCain should pray for more like Joe to hit the spotlight.
Sure the MSM’s intrusion isn’t justified, but think of it this way... Joe is taking one for the team.

One more thing...
However, if you’re that particular presidential candidate?

Not so much.


Is complete BS. Obama has had every rock turned over, you’re just p!ssed because nobody seems to care about what you think should be damning. McCain tried that line of approach last week, and his poll numbers dropped even further.
Ayers, Wright, Rezko, ACORN, etc. has been covered in all MSM outlets ad nauseam. It’s just not gaining the traction you think it deserves.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Its just intresting the media priorities. The fact that Obama started his campain in Ayers living room, not very important. If Palin had started hers in David Duke’s living room, I wonder if the media would be as unconcerned. Any guesses?
 
Written By: John
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Obama has had every rock turned over
Yeah and if no one writes about it then ... (tree in the forest thing)
So if Joe has any contempt for the MSM for turning over every rock in his life, he must hold the McCain campaign with similar contempt for bringing him up in the first place.
BS again. If the shoe was on the other foot, then this level of digging would happen but the results would not be reported. Also, the diggers would be castigated for picking on the little guy. The old "a cold wind on dissent ...".

And if you think it wouldn’t roll out that way then you are an idiot.


 
Written By: capt joe
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So if Joe has any contempt for the MSM for turning over every rock in his life
Don’t need to speak for Joe, but to me and many of my friends, yea the contempt is growing larger. As I heard some one else say a couple of days ago, I’m not voting for McCain nor am I voting against Obama. My vote is a huge middle finger to the msm.
 
Written By: wilky
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Sorry for Ayers or Acorn to matter you’re going to have a certified authentic, undisputable (remember, no fake but accurate documents here) piece of paper showing some kind of corruption with the following on the bottom.

"I, Barack H. Obama, approve of this illegality"
followed by his Barack Obaman.

And then he’s still going to get at least 45% of the vote.
 
Written By: looker
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Thank you for that post, Pogue. It’s an illuminating example of the depth of your gang’s well-known "compassion."


I’m sure Pogue will be rubbing his hands and gleefully saying, "Excellent. . . ." when Joe gets audited by the IRS the day after the Chosen One’s inauguration.
 
Written By: Bilwick
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The unsettling epilogue to the "Joe" story would indicate that it might behoove us pro-freedom die-hards to change our tune, if we know what’s good for us.

I, for one, wish to recant my previous heresies, and welcome our coming thugocracy.
 
Written By: Bilwick
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Ayers, Wright, Rezko, ACORN, etc. has been covered in all MSM outlets ad nauseam.
Most MSM outlets would have you believe that Ayers and Obama were little more than neighbors, and they ignore the fact that his 2001 regret is not planting more bombs.

The only reason Ayers was covered by the MSM is because it was brought up by Palin, and the MSM’s response was to cover for Obama. Only Fox covered it with a critical eye.

But yeah, Pouge, technically you are not lying because it was covered. Meaning of "is", and all.
 
Written By: Don
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I’m sure Pogue will be rubbing his hands and gleefully saying, "Excellent. . . ." when Joe gets audited by the IRS the day after the Chosen One’s inauguration.
Simply incomprehensible Bilwick.
What part of my comment did you skip over? This perhaps?

I like Joe. I can relate to Joe. As a small business owner, I know exactly where Joe is coming from. Why am I made to suffer simply because I busted my ass and made a business for myself? I actually think Joe presents the conservative position better than McCain does.

I’ve been audited by the IRS. Have you? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
I also know what it’s like to pay additional taxes because my business makes money. I also know what it’s like not just to pay my taxes, but to pay taxes on behalf of my employees. Do you? I have been forced to be a tax collector for the state of Texas with the additional burden of making those tax collections available to the state on time or I suffer fines and penalties.
And I won’t even go into all of the pointless regulatory BS I have to put up with to run my business.

You have no clue as to what I am, or my "gang".
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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What part of my comment did you skip over? This perhaps?
And when you were writing, which part did your brain skip over as your fingers put down the words -
My guess is Joe is actually enjoying his fifteen minutes. He’s given more interviews than Sarah Palin. He gets the adulation - and sympathy - from his fellow Republicans, he gets to go on GMA and call Obama a soc!alist (and I know that there are a lot of you here that have wet dreams about going on a morning show and calling out Diane Sawyer).
It kind of obscures your ’sympathy’ for Joe in the next paragraph.
I’m an employer...Do you normally compliment your employees with "hey! good work, but....".
Because that’s what you just did with Joe when you expressed your sympathy for his situation.

All your post attaboys had already gone out the window with the oh sh!t paragraph Pogue.
You have no idea how the guy feels about this, but you assume somehow he thinks all the attention is just super because?
What?
Because he may be a conservative?
Because you’re projecting what his feelings ought to be based on the posters you find here?

So, save your righteous indignation. You did a hatchet job on Joe before you offered you condolences for his situation.
 
Written By: looker
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Whether Mr. Wurzelbacher cashes in on his new-found fame remains to be seen.

He has declined to tell reporters whom he will vote for, and has encouraged Americans to research the candidates’ policies and make up their own minds.

And as for his prominence in the debate, Mr. Wurzelbacher was among many viewers who felt his name was raised a few times too many.

"That bothered me," he said. "I wished that they had talked more about issues that are important to Americans."
The exact words of Conservative lackey Joe-the-plumber, deserves what he gets huh?
But when asked why he does not support increased taxes for the wealthy, he stood by his critique of Mr. Obama.

"Why should they be penalized for being successful?" he asked. "That’s a very socialist view."
He didn’t call Obama a socialist, he called the policy of redistributing wealth a socialist policy.
Did I miss something?
Isn’t it?
You’re going to be better off if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody," Mr. Obama said.
Which article in the Constitution says "government shall spread the wealth around"?
Where did the founder’s of the country indicate part of the government’s purpose was spreading the wealth around through taxes?

Hell, Obama’s statement is a Charlie Foxtrot for the business owner.
We tax you more so we can reduce someone else’s taxes and then!
more people can hire you!
You’ll make more money!
And we’ll take it from you to spread around!
and
more people can hire you!
You’ll make more money!
And we’ll take it from you to spread around!
and...



 
Written By: looker
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PogueMahone,

You should be in politics. You managed to duck and dodge almost as well as The Annointed One. You effectively said that it’s OK for the MSM to ruin the reputation of a common citizen who DARED to ask The Annointed One a question by shifting the blame to somebody else. Then, when called on this, you protested by pulling the "just one of the boys" act: why, how can you criticize me??? I’ve been audited by the IRS! I’ve run a business! Doubtless you don’t know any plumbers who make $250k per year AND you shop at Target, too.

None of which has anything to do with your basic position that, again, it’s fine for the MSM to anal probe a man who dared to ask The Annointed One a question, which I frankly find akin to blaming a rape victim for "asking for it". Well, actually, it’s more like blaming the company that made her clothes: "If they hadn’t made her look so attractive, it wouldn’t have happened!" I also love the supposition that Joe is enjoying having his history spread all over the news AND have his job threatened. "The slut must be enjoying her fifteen minutes of fame!"

Say... Any blame for The Annointed One? Poor Joe would still be an anonymous plumber had The Annointed One not come out of the blue to pander for votes in his front yard. I guess The Annointed One was hoping to "put a human face" on yet another Obamasm, but Joe didn’t oblige. Shame on him, eh?
 
Written By: docjim505
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Part of satire, Pogue, is exagerration for comic effect, so you realize I didn’t mean that literally, about you rubbing your hands with glee? (Although there is a sadistic aspect to most of what passes for "liberalism" these days, coupled with a streak of masochism. But that’s a subject for another discussion.*) But you’re right. Pogue. I did skip over that part of you’re post. My lunch hour was running out and I was reading and posting at haste. Sorry about that, although not as sorry as Joe will be when he gets audited.


*Appropos of which, however, is this news report, just in:

"OBAMA’S APPROVAL RATING STILL HIGH, SAY POLLSTERS.

"Despite his recent ’spread the wealth’ slip-up and growing sympathy with ’Joe the Plumber,’ polls show most American voters still prefer Sen. Barack Obama (D-ACORN) in the presidential race.

"Reached for comment, voters explained: ’We’ve been a bad electorate. Very bad. We’ve been electing Republicans who let us keep more of our money than we deserve. That’s selfish us. And dirty—very dirty. We’ve been a dirty, dirty electorate, and now we need to be disciplined. Tax us, Senator Government. Tax us good and hard! HARDER! And, by the way, the safety word is ’plumber.’

"Responding to this as he was being fitted for his Halloween costume as Doestoevsky’s Grand Inquisitor , Sen. Obama said in another rare moment of candor, ’When I’m in charge, there won’t be a ’safety word.’"
 
Written By: Bilwick
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and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody
And I want to know -show of hands-
How many of you are actually feeling ’pinched’?

Maybe it’s just me, but not yet.
And I haven’t seen bread lines or soup lines, or massive unemployment and the only place I see masses of men standing idle is when I drive by the local spot where the ’migrant’ workers hang out waiting for a day job.

So who is this "everyone" that the messiah keeps yammering about?
Wall Street brokers?
 
Written By: looker
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You should be in politics. You managed to duck and dodge almost as well as The Annointed One. You effectively said that it’s OK for the MSM to ruin the reputation of a common citizen who DARED to ask The Annointed One a question by shifting the blame to somebody else.
I did no such thing. Try reading it again. I specifically stated that the intrusion into Joe’s life wasn’t justified. What I stated was, that the McCain campaign would have, or at least should have, expected the intrusion from the media.
Then, when called on this, you protested by pulling the "just one of the boys" act: why, how can you criticize me??? I’ve been audited by the IRS! I’ve run a business! Doubtless you don’t know any plumbers who make $250k per year AND you shop at Target, too.
Now you’re just panting. I don’t know any plumbers, and I don’t shop at Target... I hate the crowds. And it wasn’t "criticism" from Bilwick that I was protesting. Bilwick suggested that I would relish Joe getting audited by the IRS as if I disliked Joe because I’m supposed to be an Obama supporter, even though I wrote nothing in favor about Obama and I specifically stated that I liked Joe.
Say... Any blame for The Annointed One?
Why would I blame Obama for the unfair treatment onto Joe from the media? For walking around pandering for votes? Gee, as if he was a politician or something.
Remember, it was McCain who decided to bring Joe’s circumstances to the national stage, not Obama. But... now read this carefully... that doesn’t justify the intrusion into Joe’s life, but it would be expected.

But Looker is correct on one thing, I don’t know if Joe is appreciating all of the attention. It was my guess that he was enjoying it due to the number of interviews he granted. If he disliked the media attention, my guess would be that he wouldn’t grant any interviews. That would be my reaction if I didn’t like the attention. But I don’t see how that is a "hatchet job".


 
Written By: PogueMahone
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I would think that you guys would be happy that Joe is getting the attention he is. I know the McCain campaign is. You and McCain should pray for more like Joe to hit the spotlight.
Sure the MSM’s intrusion isn’t justified, but think of it this way... Joe is taking one for the team.
He gets the adulation - and sympathy - from his fellow Republicans, he gets to go on GMA and call Obama a soc!alist (and I know that there are a lot of you here that have wet dreams about going on a morning show and calling out Diane Sawyer).
The tone of your paragraphs doesn’t leave me thinking you’re just real worried about old Joe.
His PLACE in life you might empathize with.
Him? I’m not seeing that in the tone of your writing.
You’re not just real upset Joe is getting the once over as Joe the guy who questioned Obama’s plan.

Where did he call Obama a soc!alist?
He didn’t...so, you, what, used poetic license?
In a discussion if you say you might consider redistribution of wealth and I say "But Pogue! That’s soc!alism"
I’m not specifically calling you a soc!alist, I’m telling you I think the idea you’re currently espousing is soc!alist.
Am I not allowed to say your policy is soc!alist if in fact it is?
This isn’t that nuanced. He said the policy was soc!alist.
If you’re feeling like he said Obama was a soc!alist, that’s on you, not on him.

He’s given more interviews than Sarah Palin? Oh surely not, but...more poetic license.

And Joe denying the media access to him?
That can only start a feeding frenzy akin to fresh meat and wild dogs.
"Why won’t Joe talk to us! What’s he hiding!"
Joe didn’t realize they were going to go up his butt with a microscope EITHER WAY.
Why would I blame Obama for the unfair treatment onto Joe from the media?
And Biden, I suppose the cheap shots Biden takes at the guy...those are okay?
Let’s make fun of him because he doesn’t make $250,000 at the moment, but would like to someday. And maybe the owner of the business he works for led him to believe he was making 250K - but wasn’t. So, let’s ’imply’ Joe is a liar while we’re at it. And not a plumber too!
Is Biden not part of the Obama campaign?

If it’s not a hatchet Job Pogue, it’s certainly a less than an enthusiastic review for the guy.
because I’m supposed to be an Obama supporter
Ah, Pogue, come on, you can say it.
But let us know for sure, otherwise we’ll have to sign someone up using your name to ensure the correct vote.
 
Written By: looker
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The tone of your paragraphs doesn’t leave me thinking you’re just real worried about old Joe.
Well, looker, I’m sorry if my tone doesn’t display enough "worry". But I never claimed I was worried about him either. I stated that I liked him and I know where he’s coming from... what more do you want from me? I don’t even know the guy. I feel for the guy and I wish him well. But if I didn’t want any media attention, I wouldn’t give them any. And if they started asking what I was hiding, then I would simply walk out my front door, yell "This is what I’m hiding" and drop trou to show them my skinny, freckled, Irish ass.
Where did he call Obama a soc!alist?
He didn’t...so, you, what, used poetic license?
Precisely.

And Biden, I suppose the cheap shots Biden takes at the guy...those are okay?
...
Is Biden not part of the Obama campaign?
That wasn’t the context of the question, looker. Remember, docjim suggested that I blame Obama for walking by Joe’s house. Two very different things. Also, I don’t blame the Obama campaign for the media’s intrusion. It’s not their fault McCain brought Joe to the national stage, it’s not their fault that the media is intruding into Joe’s life. Those are the facts.
Was Biden being a dick, well sure. But again, that wasn’t the question.

If it’s not a hatchet Job Pogue, it’s certainly a less than an enthusiastic review for the guy.
What is this... Oprah? ;)
Should I shed tears? Say a prayer for the guy? Stating that I like him and know where he’s coming from isn’t enough?

I think you guys are just reading too much into my comment. Which was made merely to suggest that the McCain campaign knew, or should have known, that bringing Joe the plumber onto the national stage would invite an unjust media scrutiny. And that McCain could have made his point using simply a scenario similar to Joe’s or use Joe’s exact scenario without attributing a name to it. That certainly isn’t out of the realm of possibility.
But it seems more likely that putting a real face to McCain’s criticism of Obama’s tax policy would be more effective, and that McCain is hoping that the sympathetic position that Joe would be put in under an Obama tax plan would have greater impact than a hypothetical situation.

And I’m sorry if my tone wasn’t sympathetic enough.
Ah, Pogue, come on, you can say it.
I have said it. More than a few times. I’m not voting for Obama.
Not only that, you would find it impossible to find anywhere where I stated anything positive about Obama.
But I know that around here, if I don’t show the proper amount of disgust for Obama, or the media, or Wright, or Ayers, then... of course... I must be for Obama, right?
Nothing else is even remotely possible.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Like I said, Pogue, you should be in politics based on your awesome ability ability to rationalize so neatly that all of this is McCain’s fault, not The Annointed One for his backfired attempt to use Joe the Plumber as a campaign prop and CERTAINLY not the MSM’s for digging into Joe’s life history as though HE were the (Republican) candidate and not a common citizen who merely asked their candidate an inconvenient question.

If you’re not a supporter (disciple? mindless follower? stooge?) of The Annointed One, you really ought to be, because your ability to rationalize the use of thug tactics against "enemies" fits right in with his M.O.
 
Written By: docjim505
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docjim, who brought Joe the plumber to the national stage?

I pay a lot of attention to the race, and I never heard of Joe the plumber until McCain mentioned him during the debate.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Remember, it was McCain who decided to bring Joe’s circumstance
Well, bad Joe for having the audacity to actually state his opinion when asked a question by someone who came to his house.
docjim, who brought Joe the plumber to the national stage?
Well, I thank that cu pee doll belongs to Obama for interviewing him on live tv?
God forbid that he dare disagree with the one.
I pay a lot of attention to the race, and I never heard of Joe the plumber until McCain
How convienent. Everyone else seems to remember him from the question Obama asked him to ask.

Now, obamas goons are publishing his address and publishing violent fantasies about killing him

What wonderful guys on your side man. real class there. But somehow you will find a way to defend it all.
 
Written By: capt joe
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capt joe:
What wonderful guys on your side man. real class there. But somehow you will find a way to defend it all.


See, looker.
It doesn’t matter that I state I’m not voting for Obama. It doesn’t matter that I’ve never posted anything positive about Obama. It doesn’t matter that I agree with Joe the plumber’s position. All that matters to folks like capt joe and docjim is that if I don’t post the appropriate ammount of outrage toward Obama, the media, Ayers, Wright, ect., then I must be on their "side".

What’s up with that? Maybe you can explain it to me.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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What’s up with that? Maybe you can explain it to me.
Pogue Derangement Syndrome?
 
Written By: McQ
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Pogue Derangement Syndrome?
more like Pogue Mocking Syndrome (PMS) :)
 
Written By: capt joe
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PogueMahone - It doesn’t matter that I state I’m not voting for Obama. It doesn’t matter that I’ve never posted anything positive about Obama. It doesn’t matter that I agree with Joe the plumber’s position. All that matters to folks like capt joe and docjim is that if I don’t post the appropriate ammount of outrage toward Obama, the media, Ayers, Wright, ect., then I must be on their "side".

What’s up with that? Maybe you can explain it to me.


No, it isn’t that you aren’t appropriately hostile to The Annointed One. It’s that you blame McCain for the hate campaign that’s been directed at Joe by the left and even suggest that Joe is enjoying his brief time in the spotlight.

"The slut had it coming. If Victoria’s Secret hadn’t made her look so hot, it never would have happened. And I’ll be she’s enjoying all the attention she’s getting."

Classy, dude. Really classy.
 
Written By: docjim505
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To clarify, Joe told Obama that he was getting ready to purchase a plumbing business, and that this business was expected to produce over $250,000 in business income, which would mean an increase in Joe’s taxes. Poor, poor Joe.

However, a simple check of public records revealed that Joe has no plumbing license and he owes back taxes. I believe this means that Joe does not have the ability to purchase a plumbing business.

When you lie to a presidential candidate who you oppose, and you do so in front of the media, you have to expect that those lies might be revealed.

I suppose we can’t entirely blame Joe. He is, after all, simply emulating his party’s lack of regard for facts.





 
Written By: JMR
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However, a simple check of public records revealed that Joe has no plumbing license and he owes back taxes. I believe this means that Joe does not have the ability to purchase a plumbing business.
And that has what to do with the pertinence of the question and Obama’s answer again?

Would it matter if Bob Schiefer owed back taxes if he’d asked the question?

Face it, your guy let the mask slip and you folks are like cats covering crap trying to distract attention away from his answer.
When you lie to a presidential candidate who you oppose ...
LOL! Have you yet counted the lies your candidate has said in front of the media?

*chuckle*

This is about as lame an attack as I’ve yet seen, JMR.

You need to tighten this way up before you try it on anyone else.
 
Written By: McQ
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Joe has no plumbing license and he owes back taxes. I believe this means that Joe does not have the ability to purchase a plumbing business.
Big O’s campaign treasurer has greater tax liens.

Also I posted a link to the ohio codes that say that Joe only needs a license for commercial work. For residential work in Ohio, no such license is required. So go read it and stop being a short bus reject.

Look man, I know a lot of guys who go around and do small home renovation jobs and they do not have licenses. He is just some regular guy trying to live the American dream and own his own business, some day.

Like McQ said, your guy let the mask slip, and he came off looking stupid. So because a lowly tradesman made big O look stupid, he has to be punished with extreme prejudice.

I saw O’s and Biden’s mocking Joe. That shows you what they really think of the common "Joe".

You characters disgust me.
 
Written By: capt joe
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"I pay a lot of attention to the race, and I never heard of Joe the plumber until McCain mentioned him during the debate."

Perhaps if you watched television news, where his meeting with Obama appeared several times prior to the debate. Not to mention the internet. Perhaps that is where the McCain camp saw him.


"But I know that around here, if I don’t show the proper amount of disgust for Obama, or the media,...."

That seems to happen with a number of subjects, but it certainly isn’t restricted to this site.


Some good stuff on the Joe the Plumber thing;

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/16/the-msm-loses-its-mind-over-undocumented-plumbers/

An excerpt from capt. Joe’s cite;

"(E) Any work a business entity conducts under a license assigned under this section is deemed to be conducted under the personal supervision of the individual named in the license and any violation of any term of the license is deemed to have been committed by the individual named in the license."
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4740.07

The license everyone seems so preoccupied with is a contractor’s license (see definitions, section 4740.01 of code), not an individual license to practice a trade. The above cite, in addition to other portions of the code, indicate that a contractor can employ tradespeople who are not licensed (see section 4740.07(E)). How does anypone think apprentices get to be journeymen? In addition, to apply for the license the applicant "must have been a tradesperson in the type of licensed trade for which the application is filed for not less than five years immediately prior to the date the application is filed" (section 4740.06(3)), so Joe is not even eligible for a license. Again, how does one work as a tradesperson for five years unless he is working without a license?

Amazing how I and others seem to be able to find out things like this without going to journalism school to become an official investigative journalist.
 
Written By: timactual
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I think that many here are not showing the proper deference to Pogue. He sets up and knocks down strawmen like a pro. He is devastating you rotten realists with his commanding grasp of sophistry. I’m pretty sure he works for the New York Times so beware.
 
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