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Plumbing the Redistributionist depths
Posted by: McQ on Friday, October 17, 2008

Now that I've had my little rant about the MSM, I have to ask, "does the Joe the Plumber story have legs?"

Not in the sense that the MSM is doing everything within its power to discredit the guy. But the fact that the mask momentarily slipped and exposed the true Obama ideology for what it is?

James Pethokoukis of US News wonders if perhaps Joe is the purely unintentional October surprise. Of course the left will claim that believing such a thing points to the level of desperation on the right. But elections have turned on stranger and seemingly less significant things.

Says Pethokoukis:
A while back I chatted with a University of Chicago professor who was a frequent lunch companion of Obama's. This professor said that Obama was as close to a full-out Marxist as anyone who has ever run for president of the United States. Now, I tend to quickly dismiss that kind of talk as way over the top. My working assumption is that Obama is firmly within the mainstream of Democratic politics. But if he is as free with that sort of redistributive philosophy in private as he was on the campaign trail this week, I have no doubt that U of C professor really does figure him as a radical. And after last night's debate, a few more Americans might think that way, too. McCain's best line: "Now, of all times in America, we need to cut people's taxes. We need to encourage business, create jobs, not spread the wealth around."
Americans, on the whole, are not fans of redistribution schemes. Gallup polled that in June and found that by by 84% to 13% Americans prefer "that the government focus on improving overall economic conditions and the jobs situation in the United States as opposed to taking steps to distribute wealth more evenly among Americans."

What Joe the Plumber did was create a situation where the redistributionist cat is finally and clearly out of the bag.

So if there is that undecided group out there claimed to be in the neighborhood of 5 to 10% and they mostly fall on the 84% side of the Gallup poll, will this be an great or small (or none at all) influencing factor to them?

I'm guessing Obama's answer isn't playing well for a lot of them.
 
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Direct link to Pethokoukis here.

Earlier this year plenty of people noted how gaffe-prone Obama is. After doing so well for so long, is it necessarily that much of a surprise that he finally slipped up?
 
Written By: Rusty
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Joe the Plumber just lost his job.

"A chill wind is blowing in this nation. A message is being sent through the White House and its allies on DailyKos and MSM and Chicago. If you oppose this administration, there can and will be ramifications. "

Truth to Power. Fight the Man. Put Joe-the-Prole in his place.
 
Written By: Tim Robins
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Spread the wealth
Nothing new here, folks. Our grandparents saw this disaster before, fer cryin’ out loud! And the purveyor was yet another power-hungry, greased-pole climbing political machine hack.
 
Written By: CR
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As long as you don’t call it wealth redistribution or welfare, I’m not sure most people will be against it. Call it something like an ’education credit’ and give them some rationale like ’your education is an investment in America’s future’ and you’ll get a lot more than 15% of people to outstretch their hand. After others have gotten it for a few years, all apprehension will be gone and most will feel entitled to the credit.

That’s why a wealth redistribution be called wealth redistribution, now. Imho, this needs to be McCain’s #1 talking point. Not just for the benefit of the campaign but to help in opposing the idea later on.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Average voter: "Joe who?"
 
Written By: docjim505
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clever title, Bruce.
It drew a chuckle, here.
 
Written By: Bithead
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Average voter: "Joe who?"
If they know what’s good for them.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Found this interesting article on "Obama’s drive for ’Equality’"

It really lays out the fallacy that the Dem’s are working under, ie income inequality is worse then evah.

RTWT, but here’s a section which corrects an assumption made the other day, re: small business tax filing.

http://www.spectator.org/archives/2008/10/17/obamas-drive-for-equality
Still, the biggest distortion is yet to come. It turns out that the "individual income tax filings" no longer represent only individuals. Half the corporations in America now file "personal" income tax returns under Subchapter S. The big switch came after the 1986 tax reform, which lowered personal rates from 64 to 70 percent down to 28 percent, while corporate rates remained at 30 percent. At the time thousands of doctors, lawyers and farmers were forming C corporations so they could file at the lower corporate rate. All that changed after 1986 and corporations began switching to subchapter S to file personal returns. In 1986 S-corporations with up to 35 stockholders were eligible. This was expanded to 100 stockholders in 1990 and the Small Business Protection Act of 1994 allowed banks to file under subchapter-S. One-quarter of all business profits in the country now file under personal income taxes. These are the figures Piketty, Saez and Krugman are reading when they discover the "super-rich" who have been hogging America’s income over the last twenty years.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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And Joe losing his job...could be a good thing for the rest of us....but it sucks for Joe.

Now if the media would spend 1/100th of the time looking at Obama that they just spent ransacking Joe’s apartment....nah.....
 
Written By: looker
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Obama’s "spread the wealth around" remark is not a fatal blow to his campaign, but it is a crucial piece in the jigsaw puzzle of Barack Obama and the image that is now emerging from that puzzle, which the mainstream media refused to put on the box as it sold Obama to America.

There’s the ACORN piece. There’s the Ayers piece. There’s the Jesse Jackson on Israel piece. They all amplify the Jeremiah Wright piece, and the Father Pfleger piece, and the James Cone piece.

What you have is Obama as a candidate who is presenting a false face to America and who is constantly having to talk his way out of his own business.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
P.S. on the Mainstream Media:

The MSM is not just a peer-pressure, group think, politically correct sort of plasma of propaganda. It’s a "you’re either on the bus or off the bus" operation, with the added caveat that very few can even get on the bus unless they demonstrate the group think at the door. And they’re certainly off the bus at any later demonstration of non-group think tendencies.

The MSM is essentially a Party apparatus, with members trained from school days, through their university time, and carefully screened and selected after that. Being a "professional" first and foremost means having the right program of attitudes, and that has nothing to do with objectivity.

You need to have that "thrill going up my leg" at the right time, or else.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
Joe is the Forgotten Man!

"(liberals) are always under the dominion of the superstition of government, and forgetting that a government produces nothing at all, they leave out of sight the first fact to be remembered in all social discussion — that the state cannot get a cent for any man without taking it from some other man, and this latter must be a man who has produced and saved it. This latter is the Forgotten Man." — William Graham Sumner (Quoted in today’s "Right Wing News" blog)

And they’re REALLY hoping we forget about him!
 
Written By: Bilwick
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A bigger story in the making than "spread the wealth" is going to be the hatchet job this guy undergoing.

"How many plumbers do you know who earn over $250,000?"

Translation: "F**k him, he’s rich I tell ya!"

At least we know the new price of the American Dream....
 
Written By: shark
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The attack on Joe the Plumber is a replay of the "bitter clinging to guns and religion" thing. That preceded Obama losing by ten points in Pennsylvania late in the primaries, and then getting destroyed in West Virginia and Kentucky.

It’s an elitist attack on the people of Flyover Country, those miserable, bitter, lying tax cows, who need to learn to shut their mouths, if they don’t want to be stripped naked in the public square and audited by the IRS, when The One takes over.

I’d make an ad with Joe the Plumber. He’s a cool dude, from my point of view.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Who is Joe the plumber?

MOST OF US HERE ARE.

I put a sign on my lawn that says "I am Joe the Plumber too!!!"

Cuz anyone who works and knows what’s gonna happen to the money they earn should the one take the throne is Joe the Plumber too.
Stupid. Obama plans 1 trillion in new spending and a bunch of tax cuts/credits and is somehow gonna pay for it all by raising taxes on only 5% of the earners? I don’t have to be president of the math club to know that it isn’t even possible. He’ll promise ANYTHING to the people who are so obcessed with believing it...
Then last night I realized that in many ways our choice this November is between a John McCain America or a Jane Fonda America. I wish Mc Cain realized and acted appropriately as a result.
 
Written By: DAve
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in many ways our choice this November is between a John McCain America or a Jane Fonda America.
That’s exactly correct. That dawned on me too a while back.

But they don’t teach history in America anymore, Dave, so you might want to explain that while John McCain was managing to stay half-alive in the Hanoi Hilton (that was a prison in North Vietnam, just to keep recent public school graduates up to date), Jane Fonda was posing with a North Vietnamese artillery piece (in North Vietnam) to further her antiwar cause. In olden times, that’s what was called treason (i.e., betraying your country by giving aid and comfort to an enemy).

Obama’s "youth vote" will miss the allusion, if they know what an allusion is. And judging by a quick survey of two of my old college friends from that era, the 60s generation is thrilled by the prospect of a Jane Fonda America.

One of my friends, a proud Jew, has his blinders so tightly screwed on that he claims he has never even noticed that the recent antiwar movement is one with the pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel movement. He simply missed that aspect of it, he claims, though he had all the antiwar talking points lined up in a row.

Selective pre-amnesia?
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
Senator Obama;

I regret to inform you that you will be holding the office of President jointly with Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd, Former Senator Edwards, Representative Kucinich, and Governor Richardson. I understand that you’ve run an excellent campaign but, I just want you to be clear - it’s not that I want to punish your success - I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you - that they’ve got a chance at success too. I think when you spread the power around, it’s good for everybody.

Respectfully;

J
 
Written By: Solidus
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Hilarious. McCain’s plan is to buy mortgages of people who are at risk of foreclosure. In other words, take tazpayer money (obivously from those making uner $250,000) and effectivley subsidize those persons who made bad mortgage investments. Redistribution? As Sarah would say, "You betcha"!

Obama? Wants to increase the taxes of those making over $250,000 to balance cuts to thos making under that amount. Redistribution? You betcha!

Redistribution? McQ says that’s the "Obama Ideology"!

So Obama wants to take from those making over $250K and redistribute it. McCain wants to take from all who pay taxes and redistribute it. And it’s "Obama Ideology"?

McQ, you make Hannity look like a genius.




 
Written By: mkultra
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I’d make an ad with Joe the Plumber. He’s a cool dude, from my point of view.
Of course he is. A liar, tax cheat, and a fraud. He’s the whole wingnut package.

Here’s a hint, Joe: If you don’t want the press interested in your life, THEN DON’T HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE.

 
Written By: mkultra
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Of course he is. A liar, tax cheat, and a fraud. He’s the whole wingnut package.
Even if that was all true without qualification, how does that make his question invalid even if it doesn’t apply to him because there are people out there who it does apply to? Please, explain that dynamic.

BTW, mk, don’t ever disappoint Obama or your German Shizer videos will be on the 6 o’clock news.
 
Written By: jpm100
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About Joe the Plumber, ultra writes:
Of course he is. A liar, tax cheat, and a fraud. He’s the whole wingnut package.
Joe the Plumber asks Barack Obama a question from the crowd and the Left attacks him like he’s a politician. Investigates him. Lies about him and then calls him a liar.

I see that as a trend line heading upward if Obama is elected.

Thank God he won’t be.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Of course he is. A liar, tax cheat, and a fraud
Yes, terrible guy O’s campaign treasurer. Tax liens and all.
Here’s a hint, Joe: If you don’t want the press interested in your life, THEN DON’T HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE.
Yeah, how dare he actually ask a question that embarrasses Obama especially when big O comes to Joe’s home and intrudes.

Maybe Big O should actually learn how to answer a common, simple question without looking like a complete ass. In fact a question that even George W would answer with more intelligence. But hey, the leftosphere has its own standards.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Thank God he won’t be.
MM you claimed Obama would never be the nominee of the Dem party for president. You were wrong.

Any predicition you have to make is full of sh*t.

That gives me hope for Obama.
Maybe Big O should actually learn how to answer a common, simple question without looking like a complete ass. In fact a question that even George W would answer with more intelligence. But hey, the leftosphere has its own standards.
Obama said that he would tax the rich and offset the tax by cutting taxes for the non-rich. You think Americans got a problem with that?

Jesus, you are out of touch. Why do you think Americans oppose the bailout? Because the rich get a break and the non-rich don’t.

Why do wingnuts hate the middle class?
 
Written By: mkultra
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You think Americans got a problem with that?
Isn’t that a curious turn of phrase? I guess you aren’t then. Eurotrash or just the typical leftist Canadian?
Any prediction (spelling) you have to make is full of sh*t.
wow, from Mr never got much right
 
Written By: capt joe
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ultra:
MM you claimed Obama would never be the nominee of the Dem party for president. You were wrong.

Any predicition you have to make is full of sh*t.

That gives me hope for Obama.
I based my prediction that Obama would not get the nomination on the predictability of the Clintons doing whatever they needed to do to win. They didn’t do what they needed to do to win.

And Obama did not win the nomination at the polls. He won it because the superdelegates put him over the top. In fact, in late primaries, Obama, who was already being declared the winner, was getting killed by Clinton.

My prediction that Obama will not win the election is based on what voters will do in two weeks after they’ve taken a final look at Obama in context.

He is an electoral dog, who has never defeated a real opponent at the polls. The messiah bullsh*t is gone, and now he’s just the most extreme Left liberal the Democrats have ever run for president. And he comes in at about your level on the character chart, ultra.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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The negative reaction by Democrats to Joe the Plumber is more support for my thesis that so-called "liberals" (a miosnomer) should more accurately be called "Welfare State Tories." It’s like their peering down at Joe through lorgnettes and saying, "Why, the cheek of that fellow! What insolence! Why don’t these demmend peasants pay their taxes, keep silent, and let their betters govern in peace? I believe this ’Joe’ person would be much the better for a sound thrashing!"
 
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