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When is "fraud" fraud?
Posted by: McQ on Friday, October 17, 2008

ACORN. What a joke, right?

I mean they are just registering people to vote, that's all. And yeah, so a few of the people that are registering folks are turning in fraudulent registrations listing Mickey Mouse or Duran-Duran.

It's not like Mickey or Duran-Duran are ever going to show up to vote are they?

I mean come on - quit trying to make a big deal out of this:
The Associated Press reported Friday that the New Mexico GOP found 28 people who voted fraudulently in Albuquerque during the June Democratic primary by absentee ballot. One of the ballots was cast from someone named "Duran-Duran"

The GOP's review was conducted in House District 13 and only included 92 ballots. That means roughly a third of the ballots examined found by the GOP were fraudulent. The New Mexico GOP released 10 of their suspect ballots. They ballots did not contain required identification information such as Social Security numbers, drivers license numbers or birthdates.
Oh. Absentee. See, now I never thought of that. Uh, geez, you know, now all of a sudden this could be serious. [/sarcasm]
“This is a bombshell. We now have undeniable proof that a significant number of fraudulent voters were cast in Democrat primary races for the New Mexico state legislature as a result of ACORN’s voter registration fraud,” said State Representative Justine Fox Young (R.-Albuquerque). “No longer can ACORN argue that their phony voter registration forms don’t translate into fraudulent votes. They do and today we can prove it.”
Apparently the FBI believes them:
The FBI launched a nationwide investigation against ACORN Wednesday.
And thus from a little ACORN can a very fraudulent vote tree grow.

Coming to a battleground state near you soon - even if the Supreme Court says it's ok to cheat in Ohio.
 
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Reminds me of my childhood in Louisiana, going with my dad to work the polls.

They would close down the schools and use the school busses. The local Democratic party machine would round up all the old people, the poor people, and all the blacks. When they got down off the bus they would hand them a five dollar bill and a sample ballot. If they couldn’t read they would go into the booth with them.

Good times, good times. Somethings never change.


BTW, what word do I sometimes use that always seems to activate your filter?
 
Written By: kyleN
URL: http://impudent.blognation.us/blog
The best part is so far we haven’t got documented cases of organized Republican affiliated voter registration fraud.
So, since we can’t use THAT as a defense yet....

Hey!
Let’s all play the ’registration isn’t the same as voting’ game and move along, okay?

Implications of illegal registration turning into actual illegal voting are left as an exercise for the conservative reader after President Obama has been elected.
 
Written By: looker
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Registering Mick E. Mouse has some benefits (if one wants to consider them such.)

The person being paid to register voters (or needing to meet a quota to get paid) gets paid. Free money!

The local government has use your tax dollars to process the registrations and do the necessary checking to see if they are valid. This is expensive and can bog down the process and even lead to suits if the rules aren’t followed, for example, if there is not time between the deadline for registering (if the stacks of bogus registrations are handed in the day before) and the deadline for checking and approving registrations.

If it becomes necessary to purge the fraudulent registrations from the voting lists themselves, it is a wonderful political opportunity to claim vote suppression as all purging of lists can be portrayed as racist, even if the race being purged is mice.

Or ducks.
 
Written By: Synova
URL: http://synova.blogspot.com
The best part is so far we haven’t got documented cases of organized Republican affiliated voter registration fraud.
I don’t care if they do. Voter fraud is bad and should be stomped out without prejudice.

Anyone defending this fraud has no place describing themselves as a Democrat, as in, friend of democracy, or Republican, as in, friend of the Republic; it is simply attempted totalitarianism.
 
Written By: Jeremy Bowers
URL: http://www.jerf.org/iri
Here in Washington we don’t a corrupt organization like Acorn when we can do it ourselves. In Washington in 2004 the Gubnatorial race was decided by less than 200 votes and you’ll remember that military votes were threatened by late mailings and King county had 900 illegal felon votes. That’s right. Provide illegal votes to felons and suppress the military votes.
 
Written By: tom scott
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That’s right. Provide illegal votes to felons and suppress the military votes.
Well, at least they know who their constituents are.
 
Written By: kyleN
URL: http://impudent.blognation.us/blog
Coming to a battleground state near you soon - even if the Supreme Court says it’s ok to cheat in Ohio.
Actually, McQ, the Supremes didn’t say that. They said that Congress did not give private citizens the right to enforce the election law the suit was brought under. With no standing, the Plaintiff’s suit fails as a matter of federal law. Only the Attorney General can bring enforcement action under the provisions of that statute.

Don’t get me wrong, I am a volunteer lawyer for the GOP during this election cycle to try to counter the ACORN shenanigans. It’s just that we need to get the law right. It was a long shot in Ohio, and got a lot of publicity.

I hope the AJ takes action.
 
Written By: jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet
URL: http://www.yargb@blogspot,com
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I think that we will look back on 2004 as the last actual election for a president in the United States. From now on, ACORN and similar groups will simply stuff ballot boxes to get whatever outcome they want. After they see to it that secretaries of state and even local election officals are sympathetic (e.g. Jennifer Brunner), there won’t even be any real chance to identify fraud. An Obama DoJ and a democrat (spit) Congress will hardly investigate the very organization that helped them to victory, will they? And if you INSIST on making trouble... Well, look at what the dems are doing to Joe Wurzelbacher to get a hint of what they will do to thought criminals troublemakers.
 
Written By: docjim505
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Well, apparently Obamas goons are saying that anyone who suggests that vote fraud may be occurring should be prosecuted

I bet the DOJ launches the this case first. They can smell the type of bosses they will have to deal with soon.
 
Written By: capt joe
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I certainly would encourage McCain - if he loses - to challenge multiple states legally on the ACORN grounds.

Even if he loses, he can poison the well enough that Obama may be weakened and seen as illegitimate.

I’m ready to contribute to the legal effort
 
Written By: shark
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They would close down the schools and use the school busses. The local Democratic party machine would round up all the old people, the poor people, and all the blacks. When they got down off the bus they would hand them a five dollar bill and a sample ballot. If they couldn’t read they would go into the booth with them.
Where were they when Katrina came?
 
Written By: shark
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rom now on, ACORN and similar groups will simply stuff ballot boxes to get whatever outcome they want.
Eventually, voting for President will be about as meaningful as voting for the MLB All-Star game.
 
Written By: Steverino
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I hate to be a kill-joy but as much as I agree that this sort of thing undermines the legitimacy of elections, and I’d include the endless recounts and stuff, too... it can’t possibly be worse than what has come before. The idea that we can’t recover is sort of dependent on the idea that we started out pure and holy and it’s not at all true. Fraud free elections have always been a goal to strive for rather than a reality.
 
Written By: Synova
URL: http://synova.blogspot.com
Time for the US to allow International Election Monitoring.
 
Written By: symptomles
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I think it is important to separate “voter registration fraud” from “voter fraud.”

ACORN and the Obama campaign are very careful with their words.

Calling this “voter fraud” gives them a chance to muddy the waters, as there hasn’t been any “voter fraud” this election cycle (except perhaps those same day register and absentee voters), at least not on a massive scale .. yet.

On the other hand, it is now somewhat clear that there has been massive “voter registration fraud”.
 
Written By: Neo
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Neo - the entire point of the post is to show that finding registrations which have been turned into votes (absentee) means they are engaged in voter fraud.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
Eventually, voting for President will be about as meaningful as voting for the MLB All-Star game.
That’s what they want. Who is ’they’? The Bill Ayers & Rev. Wright types. The Marxist have realized they will get no where is a stable successful capitalist democracy. They want to make both the capitalist and democratic parts fail.

Until recently, I’d say the only power ’they’ had was a few friends in the media. Well today, ’they’ have almost the entire media as their lapdog and poised to have some real connections to power.

 
Written By: jpm100
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Telling you....McCain should sue if he loses.
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
there hasn’t been any “voter fraud” this election cycle (except perhaps those same day register and absentee voters), at least not on a massive scale .. yet.
Neo, note that according to this and many other sources, about a third of the US electorate is voting before election day this year. So fraud in absentee balloting and early voting could well qualify as "massive." Already.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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capt joe - Thanks for the link... except for the fact that reading it made me sick. The Annointed One wants the DoJ to investigate people who blew the whistle on ACORN, just like he wanted the DoJ to investigate people who made an ad critical of him.

So, what do you think? Is Obama just a garden variety Chicago gangster, or has he made it to full nazi status yet?
 
Written By: docjim505
URL: http://
full nazi status
commenting on that would score an instant godwin’s law

But then people deserve the leaders they get.
 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://
But hey, mk, considering you are so up on tax problems did you see this particular issue with big O’s tax returns.

Apparently he claimed for speaking fees and that my friend is not legal. But it seems that there will not be any reporting on this. I guess they are sooo busy with the importance of candidate joe’s vetting procedure there just isn’t any time left over for Obama.
But what about Barack Obama’s 2000 and 2002 tax returns?

2000: On his 2000 Schedule C-EZ, Barack reported that he received $16,500 as a “Foundation director/Educational speaker.”

2001: On his 2001 Schedule C-EZ, Barack reported $98,158 from a Chicago law firm, Miner, Barnhill, for “Legal services/attorney” (and nothing for speaking).

2002: On his 2002 Schedule C, Barack reported $34,491 for “LEGAL SERVCES / SPEAKING FEES.”

These “speaking fees” are in addition to the amounts that Barack was paid as an employee, a lecturer at the University of Chicago, reported on the first page of his 1040s.

The Illinois Governmental Ethics Act (apparently last changed in 1995) provides:

(5 ILCS 420/2-110)

Sec. 2-110. Honoraria.

(a) No member of the General Assembly shall accept any honorarium.

(b) As used in this Section:

"Honorarium" means a payment of money to a member of the General Assembly for an appearance or speech, excluding any actual and necessary travel expenses incurred by the member of the General Assembly (and one relative) to the extent that those expenses are paid by any other person. "Honorarium" does not include (i) cash payments made on behalf of a member of the General Assembly to an organization described under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, (ii) an agent’s fee or commission, or (iii) funds reported under Article 9 of the Election Code [i.e., campaign contributions].

"Travel expense" means the reasonable cost of transportation and the reasonable cost of lodging and meals incurred while a person is away from his or her residence or principal place of employment.

(c) Any honorarium or honoraria accepted in violation of this Section shall be surrendered to the State Treasurer and deposited into the General Revenue Fund. (Source: P.A. 89 405, eff. 11-8-1995.)

Did Barack Obama violate this over-restrictive Illinois ethics act? Without knowing the precise situations and sources of these “SPEAKING FEES” in 2002 and payments as an “Educational speaker” in 2000, it is impossible to be certain whether any of this compensation meets the statutory definition of “a payment of money to a member of the General Assembly for an appearance or speech.”
 
Written By: capt joe
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It is somewhat tragicomedic to see how voting fraud is pitched as a social remedy
Crying “Voter fraud!’’ is “a strategic ruse,” said Andrew Burmon in Salon.com, designed to distract us from the GOP’s own efforts to intimidate poor and minority citizens who vote Democratic. In Michigan, one county GOP chairman says he’ll use lists of foreclosed homes to “make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses.” The Montana Republican Party is challenging the eligibility of voters in “heavily Native American counties.” In Florida and Pennsylvania, fliers are circulating in black districts warning that if a voter’s driver’s license doesn’t exactly match his voter registration card, he’ll be turned away—or arrested. It’s all part of “the Republicans’ concept of democracy,” said Joel McNally in the Madison, Wis., Capital Times. “The original idea of our Founding Fathers was to limit voting to white, male property owners.” The GOP, it seems, still resents that those halcyon days are over.
People are joyfully destroying their democratic processes blissfully unaware how tyrannies become tyrannies.



 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://
Found the actual story.

http://www.koat.com/politics/17736001/detail.html?rss=alb&psp=news

Gonna have to excuse me here for suggesting you’re going to need a little more than a press release by the New Mexico GOP on which to hang your Massive Voter Fraud Conspiracy.

The registration cards that were filled out had no social security numbers, drivers license numbers or birthdates for the voters.

That’s obviously some sloppy registration-filling. Not sure it demonstrates fraud.
Meanwhile, since this is the GOP, you think maybe they picked the funniest looking instances they could find? This isn’t 28 out of 92: it’s 28 out of 100,000. And that’s not 28 ’fraudulent votes’. It’s 28 GOP accusations.

Do me a favor and follow this one. Let’s find out when more news hits exactly how many of those 28 votes were, in fact, part of an organized campaign to have Democratic voters who were not eligible to vote, vote - rather than, say, individual voters screwing up their eligibility, or (the most probable) GOP political point-scoring over database mismatches.
 
Written By: glasnost
URL: http://
Guys, guys, I’m sure Glasnost is right. He’s all over this stuff. Nothing to see. Move along. You just keep watching the fence for us, pal.

Glasnost and the NY Times: Doing the hard work for you. Why just today we learn the Gray Lady reporter is getting to the bottom of exactly what we need to know with 2 weeks until the election — what sort of mother is Cindy McCain! And doing it by soliciting info from her daughter’s 16yo friends. Now that’s something our intrepid commenter can get into. That, my friends, is journalism you know nuthin’ ’bout.
 
Written By: rob
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