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From the mouth of Obama’s VP pick
Posted by: McQ on Monday, October 20, 2008

Joe Biden makes the strongest case yet why not to elect Barack Obama:
"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."
Could anyone have better said what Obama's lack of experience is likely to bring? And this will enhance our standing in the world in what way?
 
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So, who does Biden support anyway?
 
Written By: Don
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we’re gonna have an international crisis.... [a]nd he’s gonna need help.
Exactly. He’s not up to it on his own.
 
Written By: Is
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>>And this will enhance our standing in the world in what way?<<

Because the Left and the media will applaud our weakness. But you already knew that.....
 
Written By: Come on, Please
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If he needs help during a crisis, he can call on ACORN....
 
Written By: shark
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You guys are showing your bias. After the debates the view by many is that in the financial crisis and under pressure McCain seems unsteady, while Obama is cool and collected. I think more people than you realize think Obama can be better trusted in a crisis, and don’t be surprised to see this issue brought up by the Obama camp more as the campaign closes (with references to Palin and McCain’s health as well).
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Written By: Scott Erb
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Plugs - "I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right."

First of all, I don’t have to be asked to stand up for my country (though I naturally wouldn’t expect a democrat (spit) to understand that).

Second of all... WTF does he think that The Annointed One is going to do in response to a challenge that will require everybody to try to convince their communities that what he’s done is right???? Will he sell Israel down the road? Poland? Taiwan? Is that why we’re going to have to be convinced that what he’s done is "right", like Chamberlain after Munich? Or does he plan from the get-go to sell US out???
 
Written By: docjim505
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The islamists in palestine and Iran will press, and if Obama stands firmly on the side of Israel, or pushes back in the Afghan/Pakistan conflict, then Obama will be called out as a traitor and will be hated even more than president Bush. Mark my words, some cleric is going to Fatwa Obama for being an apostate from Islam depending on how he responds to the coming international crisis in the middle east.
 
Written By: Jimmy the Dhimmi
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More from the article:
"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, ’Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don’t know about that decision’," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they’re made, which I believe you will when they’re made, they’re not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they’re popular, they’re probably not sound."
I got one little question and it is called WTF? What is he talking about?

Maybe he’s just got the nuance turned up to eleven or something. No doubt he can understand the, um, implications of his own thoughts even if nobody else can.

As to why he would go out of his way to sketch out such an unpleasant but almost certain scenario as the trial of (gulp) President Obama by rogues and terrorists...? Hmmmm? Something to do with Rove?
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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And this will enhance our standing in the world in what way
When we take it in the shorts it will restore our schadenfreude glow.
 
Written By: Achillea
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After the debates the view by many is that in the financial crisis and under pressure McCain seems unsteady, while Obama is cool and collected
Obama is collected alright.....he collected beaucoup bucks from Fannie and Freddie and his people helped cause the crisis to begin with!
 
Written By: shark
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Actually, none other than Colin Powell made the point that Obama would be better in a crisis. Jeff Greenfield once said good politicians take their weakness and turn it into a strength. I still would not be surprised to see Obama running with a "better to handle a crisis" mantra very late in the campaign (not giving McCain much time to respond), with a lot of ads focusing on Palin, showing McCain looking old, mocking his "he decided to suspend his campaign before not suspending it," and other ways McCain has seemed like a shot from the hip gambler rather than a real leader. He has the money to use ads to convince people of that (and at this point, both campaigns are more marketing endeavors than public debates).
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Written By: Scott Erb
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I think more people than you realize think Obama can be better trusted in a crisis
Only after you add in Mickey Mouse, Duran-Duran, Jimmy Hoffa, etc.


 
Written By: Boogs
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I would like to know what Obama has accomplished to prove that he can handle a national crisis. Assertions from those in his camp are not proof. Uttering bland leftspeak during a debate doesn’t constitute proof of his capabilities.

But, you know, I look forward to being able to snipe from the sidelines at every misstep, mistake and misstatement Obama makes, just as lefties have done to Bush over the past eight years.
 
Written By: the wolf
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ERB, he MIGHT be good in a crises, but there is no way to tell. Just because he seems rather cold and calculating on the political stump means nothing. The man has less practical experience than any modern presidential candidate from the two major parties.

One thing I am pretty certain about, he will have a hard time standing up to the radical leftists in his own party, provided that he would even want to.

We are going to have a ever deepening financial crises if they get their way, because all the things they want to do to the economy are just the opposite of what you should do during a recession.
 
Written By: kyleN
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Powell is just endorsing Obama based on his skin color, not his character or accomplishments. Obama openly despises the military, and I imagine that a lot of service personnel will look long and hard at whether or not they want to serve under someone who loves and values those who not only spit on Vietnam-era vets, but tried to kill them.
 
Written By: Ernest Brown
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For Biden to say that, he must be clinically insane. That’s more than just a gaffe.

He’s saying that Obama’s election will cause an international crisis because he’s perceived by enemies as a punk.

That’s not something you say even if you believe it.

But at least the enemies are seeing things clearly.

But what’s next for Biden? Will he come out and say, "I think Barack’s gay and when he’s president he’s going to make a lot of people proud when he comes out of the closet, and he’s going to need your support."
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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You guys are showing that you see right through Biden. After the debates the view by the clueless electorate is that in the financial crisis and under pressure McCain seems unsteady, while Obama is cool and collected in promising everything under the sun (chiefly the staples of peace, land and bread). Who doesn’t want a Santa Claus as president? I think more people than you realize think Obama is the leader to solve their personal crises, and don’t be surprised to see the Obama camp continually present him as a Messiah as the campaign closes (with irrelevant references to Palin and McCain’s health as well).
 
Written By: Ott Scerb II
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Actually, none other than the political opportunist Colin Powell made the point that Obama would be better in a crisis. Jeff Greenfield once said good politicians take their weakness and turn it into a strength. Powell was uncertain about the election outcome and so sat on the fence for a long time, finally giving an endorsement once the outcome became fairly clear so that he could get a coveted position in the new administration. I still would not be surprised to see Obama running with more meaningless platitudes very late in the campaign (not giving McCain much time to respond), with a lot of ads attacking Palin to draw away from Obama’s associations and Biden’s Washington insider-ism, trumpeting McCain’s age while ignoring Obama’s lack of accomplishments beyond "community organizer," mocking McCain for daring to postpone a debate with the One, and other ways McCain seems like a tough foreign policy president instead of Obama’s willingness to sing kumbaya with terrorist-supporting nations. And you know, George Soros and Hamas have helped Obama raise all the money he needs for advertisements to convince people of these things. I would also add that both campaigns are more marketing endeavors than public debates, but such should be obvious to anyone who understands politics.
 
Written By: Ott Scerb II
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Will he sell Israel down the road?
No one is that stupid.
 
Written By: Is
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Isn’t the larger point here that Biden is insane? What kind of bizarre, conspiracy theory crap is this? This guy is going to be VP? Give me Sarah Palin with a lobotomy any day over Biden.
 
Written By: Grimshaw
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"And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right."
My first thought is WTF???

Of course, this might make sense to his intended audience, but I haven’t a clue what he’s talking about.

It might not be apparent our decision/actions are right, but trust us, we’re going to be right, so you need to back us. Just ’cause.

And if you dissent, well, look at what we’re doing to Joe the Plumber.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate"

Help me out on this, I am not up on my international conspiracies. I don’t think it will be a Jewish/Zionist conspiracy, that is pretty much a right-wing monopoly, as is the Trilateral commission. Scientologists, maybe? Nah, probably not right-wing enough. Are there any Nazis left in Argentinaor Paraguay? I know! The unrepentant radical extremist Swift Boat Veterans for Truth! They will try to burn the Capitol!


"we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right"

Oh, goody. We get to have a permanent national political organization watching us and ’influencing’ us on a daily basis. Say something disloyal and we will no doubt be verbally (at least initially) chastised because we need unity in our time of crisis, even if that crisis isn’t apparent.

Biden just gets wackier and wackier. And he is supposed to be more qualified than Palin? At least she resides in our universe.
 
Written By: timactual
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" but I haven’t a clue what he’s talking about"

Neither does he, but hohpefully we will never find out for sure.
 
Written By: timactual
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For Biden to say that, he must be clinically insane. That’s more than just a gaffe.
It is a weird thing to say before the election. I imagine that Biden was enjoying displaying insight and making the JFK-Obama comparison.

The weirder thing is that Biden is right — Obama will be tested by one or more of the bad actors out there in his first year and it will be perilous.

Erb and others go on about Obama’s trustworthiness, and it’s true that many Americans believe that about Obama, just as many believe that Obama is possessed of unusual intellligence. But the plain fact is that Obama has yet to demonstrate this specialness. Other than campaigning, Obama has no substantive accomplishments. He can convey an image, and perhaps he can back it up in the clinch, but he has not been tested—as Biden correctly notes..

So far, Obama has managed the weakest primary win in the past fifty years, and in a year when a Generic Democrat would be winning in a walk with a double-digit lead, Obama has still not closed the deal, even after an economic meltdown.

 
Written By: huxley
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kyleN - One thing I am pretty certain about, he will have a hard time standing up to the radical leftists in his own party, provided that he would even want to.

I think we can look at his voting record and say with confidence that he won’t want to stand up to the hard lefties in his party. Hell, it would be hard to find anybody more lefty than he is! Had Obama EVER bucked his own party other than to have the audacity to hope that he could unseat the Hilldabeast?
 
Written By: docjim505
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Remember right after Bush II was elected? That little incident where China forced down a US surveillance plane and held the crew hostage?

That’s the sort of thing that’s going to happen again. It’d be foolish to expect anything less.

Bush II caved so fast he ended up wearing a silk clown suit in China to try to convince them that he wasn’t a threat.

I wonder what Obama will wear...
 
Written By: Michael Stone
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Colin Powell made the point that Obama would be better in a crisis.
Haha, he couldn’t even handle Joe the plumber (his klan had to do that job). How is he going to handle someone like Ki Jung Il or Putin.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Obama muffed the question from a seven year-old girl on why he should be president. Joe Biden is right for once — Obama’s first year, should he win, is going to be very dangerous.

Obama believes in words, not deeds. That will work in the Democratic primaries; it may even work in a presidential election when a tidal shift in American politics is working in Obama’s favor.

It won’t work with people like Putin, Ahmadinejad etc. unless Obama shows up as commander-in-chief, and not as a black guy with a golden voice who believes he can talk and temporize his way out of any problem with guilty white folks.
 
Written By: huxley
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It might not quite what this appears to be.

Its saying that the next attack on America or move against America is really an attack on Obama. Height of Arrogance.

But by putting that notion out there, they can exclude America from a say in what the response should be.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Joe Biden is right for once — Obama’s first year, should he win, is going to be very dangerous.
Not just his first year, and not just internationally.
Erb and others go on about Obama’s trustworthiness,
Trustworthiness? When someone is running for President of the United States for two years and has presented nothing but a false face to the public, and the media has allowed him to get away with it, his trustworthiness is zero.

Obama has seen the Clintons and raised them the Fort Knox equivalent of mendacity.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Obama’s first year, should he win
He will be as clumsy as Bush. I thought Bush was a clown up to till 9/11. I thought he rose to the occasion afterwards.

How would Obama face something like that? No one can say. Maybe the teleprompter will give him a hand
 
Written By: capt joe
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Its saying that the next attack on America or move against America is really an attack on Obama. Height of Arrogance.
Arrogance doesn’t quite capture it.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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I am amazed that Mr. Biden took so long to report on what I have been writing in comments and on my blog for over a year (sarcasm/off). But seriously as I did write for so long, President Kennedy’s failure to support the Cuban exiles during the Bay of Pig as was promised and his cancellation of the air raid on the Cuban air force bases was recognized as a weakness by Premiere Khrushchev during Kennedy’s meeting with him withoput preconditions in Vienna (a Marine friend once told me that they were over the horizon waiting to hit the beaches but were never sent either). So the Berlin Wall and Cuban missile crisis followed. Remember also that President Kennedy was a war hero and that counted for nothing to overcome the perception of weakness.

Unfortunately, those that oppose us now are less rational than the Soviets, so the world is in a way a more dangerous place for on the job training; especially by someone who has never shown any ability to face a crisis nor until now faced a competative election. Mr. Obama has even had a hard time accepting the necessity of taking hard questions from reporters, critizing his own supporters for outlandish attacks on McCain and Palin or taking a question from citizen Joe. I expected the same problem if Mrs. Clinton were president. The other problem is that an inexperienced person may overreact to compensate for their perceived lack of personal strength and we all may suffer for their lack of internally developed self esteem.
 
Written By: amr
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I thought Bush was a clown up to till 9/11.
Bush’s original map was to be Eisenhower. At least that’s how I perceived it at the time. No declaring a "crisis" every other week. Just stick to business and maintain a stoical countenance. He had a Reagan mindset, in many respects, but an Ike methodology.

Then 9/11 happened and he had to become a war president.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Historical note: the CIA promised Kennedy that the Bay of Pigs invasion (modeled after the successful coup in Guatemala) would not need American back up. He never promised support, and felt that the CIA had misled him after the fact. Even if the US had given them cover, it’s unlikely that "invasion" could have succeeded. The Berlin Wall had nothing to do with Kennedy, and everything to do with the fact that communism was a failure early on, and if they hadn’t penned in the East Germans the whole country would have moved to the West! They had 16 million and by August 1961 350,000 had gone west that year alone! The East Germans were the force behind the Berlin wall, blaming Kennedy for that is silly (and I’m not a fan of the Kennedy administration or it’s foreign policy!) In my blog today I point out how Obama can turn the crisis issue to his advantage by painting McCain as risky: http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/can-obama-close-the-deal/
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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Boris Erb:
and everything to do with the fact that communism was a failure early on,
But, of course, Castro is "still better than Batista." Right, Boris?
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Boris Erb:
In my blog today I point out how Obama can turn the crisis issue to his advantage by painting McCain as risky
Does everyone here recall how the socialist, anti-American Boris invested so much time trying to convince everyone that he was a libertarian? He so wanted to fit in.

Now he wants the ACORN-backed Alinsky community organizer from the far Left with the burnt out Weathermen radicals supporting him to be President.

Has he called Obama a centrist yet?
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Prof Erb — I realize that the clear expression of thought has little to do with your livelihood. Nonethess, you might want to crack a book or two on writing—libraries and bookstores are often found on college campuses—and read up on the paragraph concept.

Hint: a paragraph is not several scattershot sentences that pop into one’s head and are then jammed together before culminating in an advertisement for one’s blog. I can always recognize your posts at a glance — a dense block of text ending in a blue hyperlink.
 
Written By: huxley
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The Berlin Wall had nothing to do with Kennedy, and everything to do with the fact that communism was a failure early on, and if they hadn’t penned in the East Germans the whole country would have moved to the West!
The Soviets would have never built the wall, regardless of their losses, if they had not felt that Kennedy was an empty suit. Kennedy’s Summit with Kruschev solidified their view of the young president and his non-reaction to the wall directly led to the later confrontation in Cuba. (Note: Try reading once in a while there Erb. Papers and books are out there on the subject. Someone once told me that you yourself wrote a page or two on the subject. You might learn a thing or ten.)

Obama and company are already trying to spin their way out of this one and the best they are doing is making themselves dizzy. I wonder how many times a day Obama asks himself "Why didn’t I choose Hillary?!?!"
 
Written By: SShiell
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"You might learn a thing or ten.)"

Only if it fits with what he already ’knows’.
 
Written By: timactual
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